Who knew being a vegetarian in a war zone could be this easy? Not that Im exactly in in the thick of battle, yet. Camp Victory, adjacent to the Baghdad Airport, is a sprawling military command center of 15,000 troops. And, despite the occasional helicopter grunting overhead, the conflict feels very far away. Yesterday, I was worried about facing bullets and bombs. Today, Im wondering whether to have a slushie or a cookie for desert.
If you discount the dust and the suffocating heat, Victory could be any one of a hundred American military bases scattered around the world. Except this one is fancier. And there are more of the comforts of home.
The Camps chiefs are installed in smart cubicles on the top floors of Saddams sumptuous summer palace. Some of the soldiers ride around in bicycles, wearing Army-issue shorts and tees. Kevlar and helmets are not required.
Reporters are set up in air-conditioned tents, and can peck away at their laptops through the local wi-fi “Freedom Network.” The mess hall is stocked with tangy kimchi and cook-to-order stir-fry, bean sprouts included. The PX is full of DVDs and X-Box games and Operation Iraw Freedom tchokes. The Starbucks knock-off is open 24/7, right next to the Pizza Hut and the Subway. The pool, for now, is closed.
The Army unit Im supposed to join up with was expecting me tomorrow, not today. The action should come quick after that. So I took advantage of the pause. I napped in my deliciously-cool tent. I played war tourist as I gawked at the palace-turned-HQ. And I shared cigars with a battlefield surgeon from the Green Zone, watching Blackhawks silhouetted by the crescent moon. Not a bad first day at war.
THERES MORE: Yes, I did manage to get my bags back, in time to hitch a ride to Baghdad.
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Nice to see our people have some of the comforts of home available at least some of the time.
I was down to Camp Atterberry, IN. several weeks ago and met with my son who is in the National Guard and had an oppertunity to talk with many of the men who had just returned from oveseas and are also preparing to leave for overseas to Iraq or elswhere.
As an old Vietnam Vet, I know how welcome the occasional visit to red beach was. or getting down to siagon where we had air, indoor plumbing and hot and cold running water, tubs and showers.
I look forward to reading more about how you adjust to conditions outside the green zone if posted to a less hospitiable place then victory.
There is another pool, If you look west northwest from the top of the palace, across the water, towards the circular fishing condos. somebody told me it’s the aussie compound and you need hookups to get in there. Never made it over to check it out. Hope youre making good use of those helicopters, its the best way to get around. Goodluck, keep your powder dry and all.
Okay-For the Record.
Kevlar and Helmets are sometimes required.
The Mess hall is generally well stocked until about 15 minutes after it opens. Then it’s generally poorly prepared fare, with the most interesting combinations and menu titles. Lots of fried foods, salads made entirely out of stems and often some leftovers from an alien autopsy mixed into the peas. Hasn’t anyone heard of “Peas and Carrots.” The staff is pleasant but generally hasn’t a clue what’s going on, they do move nice and slow however so you can head the, off when they try to pile “English Boil” on your “Buffalo Wings and Pineapples”.
They are trying real hard.
The Starbucks knock-off is not as popular as the Cinnabon, but only the pogues have time to go there.
As for the PX-I have no clue why you can get tons of crap there, but not a desert patrol cap. Does anyone really need “Antique Roadshow-The Home Version” anyway?
As I understand the “Aussie Pool” was open until May, then the brass realized there were no lifeguards there and it became off limits.
Be safe.
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I strongly agree with the comment about the PX. I was part of the original PX at BIAP. I no longer work for AAFES due to the lack of concern for the soldiers needs in Iraq. They need water, pogie bait, and most of all they need parts to their uniforms. They don’t need lawn and garden, dvd’s that are not wanted any were else in the world. Stop giving them the crap that no one else wants, give them the things that they need to servive in the desert. But most of all let them know how important they are to all of us…. I would love to go back to Iraq and be with the soldiers for another year, just not with AAFES…
I totally agree with carol, my friend’s husband was sending all kind of crap he bought at px in afghanistan. my husband is now over there and I told him don’t buy any movies or house supplies to send home. the px needs to have survival items the soldiers need,they can’t mow the sand so why sell lawnmowers.
As a Marine infantryman coming into BIAP from the west or southwest after a few mo’s of constant raids and patrolling, seeing the life led by the army onboard those bases was almost sickening when you heard them complain and the fact that we were looked upon as strange for carrying rifles on tactical slings with magazines ready for insertion was even more disenheartening…maybe it’s the mind set of the Marine infantry but it keeps us alive a lot longer…
I can understand why you would have some creature comforts in the local exchanges. It’s good to forget that you are in a war zone (even if it’s for an hour or so). What I don’t understand is why the exchange manager would not have the foresight to stock it properly. I am surprised a local commander has not taken note of the situation and let the command general know that what’s needed are not lawn mowers but things soldiers need to survive or relax in the desert. I am of the mind it would be more cost effective to spend the money to ship the needed items there as opposed to unnecessary creature comforts. Unless of course there is a ‘brisk’ trade of those items…
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As a Marine grunt in Viet Nam, it bothered me that the pogues in the rear had all the creature comforts possible while we had live on c-rats and had to wait our turn to get jungle boots.
It sounds as if nothing has changed. The priorities are bass-ackward now just as they were then. We hear that there is a lack of body armor and vehicle armor. Why are we wasting resources sending luxuries for the pogues while the ones doing the fighting go without necessities?
It was encouraging to see the comment by Towgunner and I’m proud that the mentality of the grunt remains the same.
Stumbling onto this set of postings has made me literally sick. It’s bad enough that as a military family, we have to put up with the ignorant blather and disrespect of “anti-war activists.” But to read other servicemen belittling one another like children as though some branch or particular job has the monopoly on sacrifice makes me even more furious. My 5-year-old daugther thinks her Daddy is a hero, and rightfully so, because he is an honorable, brave man, willing to give his life for his country, and willing to sacrifice precious years with his family so they can live in freedom. How sad she would be to know that other servicemen think so little of that, just because his current job has him at a desk. If he’s killed in Iraq, will you be first in line to tell her his contributions didn’t matter, that he was somehow a lesser man because he’s not a “grunt?” It’s one thing to hear miltary sacrifice so easily dismissed by the Jane Fondas of the world, but you guys have broken really my heart…
I can agree with the Marine that calls himself “Towgunner,” but I have to tell him not all Army guys are like that. Everyone stationed at BIAP are POGS (People Other than Grunts – get it?!). I was in Baghdad from May 2003 to July 2004 with TF Spartan, 1st Armored Divison. We couldn’t stand to be around any of those guys because they used to complain about EVERYTHING!!!! And to the Army wife, no noone will ever think less of your husband if he dies but to US combat MOSs, to see someone sit behind a nice air conditioned desk wondering when the PX or Chow Hall is opening, while my patrol is dodging AK and RPG fire, you kinda lose a little respect for them.
SCOUTS OUT!!!
Armywife,
You speak of belittlement between servicemembers as though you have a lot of room to talk in the first place. Leave it up to a bored dependant to severly criticize war vets for being harsh with each other (what else is new?), then yourself go on to criticize everyone who has posted in this blog. Aren’t you just defeating your own premise of even writing the email? Because it is sad that a dependant would have the gall to post such a thing. Let’s face it, you are just making a rear end of yourself. When YOU go to Iraq and serve YOUR country, then come back with some so called informed contentions. Otherwise, keep your boredom to yourself.
I think it’s sad that our nation’s heroes “lose respect” for any other hero no matter what their MOS. My husband is one of those “paper pushers” who sits behind a desk. However there is so much more to his job then sitting in an air cooled room behind a desk. I would hate to think that other soldiers think less of him because he makes sure they get their pay!, he makes sure that Red Cross messages come through and get processed!, and he gives everyone the best part of the day- mail call! Without my husband’s job soldiers would not get promoted, they would not get their correct pay on time, they would not know of emergencies at home, they would not get mail and packages from home, and who knows what else that helps a soldier to function. My “Desk SGT” has also been out on recovery missions to bring back broken down trucks. Do you think less of Desk Sitters now?
Our Great Defenders need to stick together and support each other, one branch is not better then the rest no matter what you think or are taught. In my eyes you all are great and I love you all for what you are doing. YES, there are the winers who make life over there hard to deal with, but remember, everyone’s job is important to make the US strong. If one person did not do their job everyone would suffer no matter what that job is. THINK ABOUT IT!
There’s a reason that combat and non combat personnel don’t get along. My husband and brother in law are both Marines, but my husband is a tracker and brother in law is a recruiter, yet people tend to think that they lead the same life. My brother in law may never pick up a rifle again whereas the other will hopefully survive all of his days working. Being in the military gives any servicemember a right to be proud, but somewhere along the line wives have gotten the idea that they have a right to talk about anything. I hate my husband being gone, but he’s the Marine, not I, so of course I have my opinions, but I’ve learned to keep my mouth shut. Wives need to quit thinking they are entitled. If you marry a Marine, guess what he signed his life away, but you chose that life, plus if these guys have earned any rights its to have opinions since they are the ones actually dealing with complaints and whiners. Don’t take a shower for a week or so and then try to listen to someone complain because their a/c isn’t working. Its all about perspective and some wives tend to think they know what’s going on but until you live it you have no idea. Just because I read about history or listen to a story does not mean I have any concept of what its really like.
Way to put it Melissa. Anybody who is in Iraq deserves the same respect as any other combatant, whether they are in the A/C or not. Mortar’s aren’t ment for the soldier on patrol, they are ment to get the ones who think they’re safe and not protected. Everybody in Iraq is in danger. I have volunteered to go back in May 2006, I was with 1AD the first rotation, and seeing all this junk being sold at the PX is a shock. AAFES runs on a supply and demand, if soldiers would stop buying the lawn mowers guess what, aafes would stop supplying them. Maybe someday they will begin supplying the things that matter most to a soldier. Thats my MRE worth.
What is being said I would bet that the same things were being said since man first went into battle. Someone has to bring the beans and bullets, it takes the entire team to get the mission done. I salute all of you. as a Vietnam Vet 69-70. Thankyou
I’m an “inbetweener” i guess. being a weatherman, i have my desk indoors and all my equipment outdoors. i also get to do base details, etc. so half the time i enjoy the AC, and the other half i sweat like a packmule. i have been in combat zones in the Philippines and exercises in Thailand. I’ve had my share of intense heat and heavy downpours, so i can appreciate both worlds, indoors and outoors. one thing i’ve learned is: appreciate the comforts you get when you get them, but don’t expect to be afforded them, whether you’re a pencil pusher or groundpounder. when i’m behind a desk, i wish to be outside working my tail off with everyone else and giving my all. when i’m outside all day in the hot sun and pouring rain, the dry indoors and AC sound really good. remember that some people don’t have a choice where they work, and the spirit of the fight might still be in them…even if 30 degrees cooler.
I’m hoping to get to Iraq at some point to put my two cents in, but in the mean time, God bless and keep fighting the good fight.
-SSgt Rudd
I respect all the volunteer military where ever they are assigned but don’t forget they volunteered not like when I when in I was drafted in 1968. I was the lucky one that I was assigned in Holland not Vietnam. Many times I felt guilty of going there like a holiday in Europe for my duty while others are dodging bullets and swet in Vietnam but I did my duty and then volunteered later for thirty years in the national guard and the reserves. At age 57 I still thinking of volunteering for a year in Iraq to help a young soldier to get home to be with his family. Prayers and support is what I am giving and I believe that is the best I can give at this moment. I was proud to seve my country where ever they sent me. Frank Winter Retired U S Army.
Frank– car bomb and follow-up suicide bomber at checkpoint one to the IZ today (where all the civilians and press enter). The folks there may have it made, but don’t forget the Georgians and Iraqis are the guys at the front gate–as well as a few 3ID guys–who will pay the price when things go boom. No one has it made in Baghdad, regardless of how well-stocked the PX is.
I am a vet. Iam very dissappointed with the bickering between our service men and women.
I am proud of ALL our service personel I wil teas you about not being in the same branch I was but there is always respect for all branches. How many of you know that for every army infantry man we have it takes 7 people in the rear to make sure he has food water uniform and ammo to do his job. Remember it take a lot of people to get our troops what they need to do their job and this bickering is not the way to do it
Whatever the situation is, if anyone’s interested in getting their ass handed to them in Halo, give me a call at Victory. Ask anyone with the 35th sig patch where you can receive the beatdown.
Xclusive
Check it out,
The bottom line is that everyone has there reasons for joining the military. Everyone also has a choice to choose there job. No one asked to be in IRAQ or Afghanistan. THe fact of the matter is that we all have a job to do regardless of what it might be. Remember, everyone brings a piece to the table. I for one am a Computer Technician. Yea I sit behind a desk in Iraq but without my piece, soldiers would not be able to send email to love ones when they get a chance. The smile on a soldiers face tells it all. Lets face it, no one wants to be here more than the other person. We all have loved ones awaiting our return. Lets not forget the soldiers who have paid the ultimate price. They were not all infantryman, but they were all Soldiers. They all had someone who loved them and misses them just like we do. To call this place a vacation is very wrong. I hope you all think about what you are saying before you write. And to all the Soldier who are deployed, be safe, God loves you, and keep up the good work!!
And if that doesn’t work, ask any of the civilians that work in the palace where you can get the beatdown.
I am a foreign national who has worked indirectly for the USAREUR and I was planning to Enlist if I could solve this wretched bureacratical problem-being the “Green Card”, I was told by so many people, returning soldiers that they unfortunately themselves are not fully aware of why they are still being stationed in Iraq, what the real motives are, I personnaly am aware of current terrorist threats in London for example and think that some better communication between the countries Goverments is necessary. Direct contact and compromise is the key to every relationship, political-international included.
Killing is wrong and definately NOT productive!!!
Suggestion:-scale down and find peace between you`ll! Thanks for reading Mr. Clarke.
you guys are ignorant… god bless all troops no matter what their jobs are….how about those marines do a year and check out their morale? hummm xclusive you are dumb! what does that have to do with anything? dumb
Well, wasn’t going to post but after reading all of the comments just had to put my 2 cents worth in.
I spent 30 years in the military and am retired. I went to Iraq last year as a civilian contractor. Yes I made good money there, and why not I put my time in doing it for almost nothing, being away from my wife and kids for long periods of time, having my kids grow into the adults they are now and missing all of the time they were kids.
But the money aside, I still got mortered at and shot at like anyone else over there. Yes Victroy has perks, and it was nice for the 3 days I got to enjoy it. So what, let the guy and gals there enjoy some perks. For you never know when the wayward RPG or morter is heading your way and you will have paid the price for being in a combat zone. I also agree that the PX/BX needs to change, I looked for additional pouches to put medical gear in and could not, but they had 36″ color TV’s if I needed it…
But that said where I was at we had NO PX of any kind and the only resupply of personal tings like shaving cream came at the expense of a security team making the 90 mile long road trip to another FOB and hope the PX had not run out of the things the guys needed and dodging bullets and IEDs also, no military personnel or support (unless it was for a medicvac or MAYBE air support only if they were not too busy elsewhere, hot water most of the time, WATER most of the time and somewhat real food as long as one of the convoys did not get hit, then it was MRE’s, which I do not mind, it’s better than going hungry…
COMPLAIN… The MILITARY!! Heck most troops would start attacking each other if they were not allowed to complain. It’s just the way we are.. But we get over it give each other a hug and cry when one of our own gets killed. So let’s move on.
Doc Rich
Why do you all care so much about what life is like at camp victory. I say good I am glad that the army is taking care of soilders. What is wrong with being able to get a Wopper and a cup of coffee? I would think that there are bigger battels to fight then whining over the “vacation” That you think we are taking over there. If you are lucky enough to pull your duty at Camp Victory then good for you.
I stumbled upon this site… currently I’m living back in Iraq. First time I was here was in ’03, like Carol above (HI CAROL!!)we both were stationed with the PX. Now I work for a company well known in the news for its logistical support for the military. I want to comment on the PX. It is ridiculous what they sell in the PX at the time we were there, we “inherited” PX distribution center from Europe’sleft overs in efforts to get rid of inventory on their books. We sold outdoor furniture to patrons anyway, because it was more convenient than using needed wood for other items. We’ve come a long way since those early days when 3rd ID took over the city and selling all the crap that just couldn’t sell. AAFES is trying to keep all the neccessary gear needed by our finest in stock as of now. I may not work for AAFES anymore, but they are there for the troops. WE GO WHERE YOU GO, isn’t just any motto, its the truth. AAFES had a bunch of that crap because EUROPE/AMERICAN distribution centers were sending crap they could get off their books to still sell and hope to make the money that they spent.Usually it was at a cost less than what they paid for it. And that took place in the beginning of the war. As far as needed items… it was hard then and hard now to replace it as soon as you can make it. The demand is great, so some of those things are going to take a while to get to Iraq. Don’t knock AAFES… they’re trying to do their best. And I won’t complain about my BK whopper, my PizzaHut pepperoni pizza or my Greenbeans cappuccino because you know why? Its hell a lot better at times than eating the DEFAC’s SOS. Just remember its the little things that remind you of home, that remind you that your AMERICAN and we bleed RED, WHITE & BLUE! Doesn’t mean it replaces a one way ticket back home…but neverless its something that we are lucky to have when our fathers from our other wars didn’t have.
The next time all of you GRUNTS need beans and bullets…how bout you try and get your order through the supply channels without all of us REMF’s…
chairborn ranger OUT!
As David states, this is the same things being said throughout history. There are “front line troops” and “support troops’ and never shall the two meet. However the reason the support troops are there, is to support the front line troops. The front line troops are there to support our country’s possition. So there is none of this without each other. Agreed that support troops stand out once the “support system” is in place. But can anyone remember what it looked like this time last year? Could you tell the difference between the support and front line troops? No, because they were working together under the same conditions. Now the conditions improved the bickering between the troops comes back. It’s always the same.
I have been deployed to SWA too many times to remember as both support and front line (bennies of being a transporter) and I would much prefer the support role, but am particularly thankfull for the support troops job since I have been on both sides. When I was in the support role the front line guys was my only reason for being there, because I was working for them in one way or another.
Keep up the good work men..
Former USAF
This goes out to the service members (all of them regardless of branch and MOS)who have so bravely volunteered to serve and defend their country wherever on the planet Uncle Sam may send them. Thank you from one who also serves (11 years so far, combat MOS, 6 years overseas, no combat patch).
What I will not stand for is these same great Americans lowering themselves by ripping into a military wife or family member. Bite your lip, grin and remember your professionalism.
The military has enough problems already, lets help each other out and get the hell out of this place quicker!
Well, I’m like the people above,, after reading all these posts, I have to put my input in. I have been down to Victory once after driving about 4 hours to get there. Was I surprised? Sure. Am I jealous? Sure. But you know what, it was nice to have the ammenities for just a few hours. I let my hair down, if that is what you want to call it. The way I feel is if I wanted to be in one of those support roles, I would have re-enlisted in one. But, I didn’t and that is why I’m still in the Infantry for the last 18 years. Quit whining, do your jobs, and let’s go home out of this country!
All of these complaints are not necessary. You are the ones who signed your life over to the military. So, you knew what you were getting yourselves into. So, quit complaining and suck it up. Just pray for one another. The guys who are complaining about Victory being so luxurious, if you were there would you be complaining. Quit griping and pray for one another, because God does not like ugly intentions.
You think Victory/Liberty/BIAP is nice, Go to Camp Taji/Cooke, 17 miles north. We have the biggest PX in Iraq and two damn good chow halls. The pools is really nice, but not as big as Anaconda’s up in Balad.
I do like the stir fry bar at Victory’s chow halls though
We all need to play our part and do our job. Yes, I think my service is the best and we all should, but I have respect for all. Grunts might not be the brightest and admin might not be the toughest, but all are essential to mission. If I was out in the field, I would love to visit Subway for a meal or (if they open it) get in the pool.
People are always going to complain about one another no matter what! Even during a time of peace Marines will think the Army is nasty and vice versa- its about pride.
Also, just wanted to point out that the finance office is always working. 7 days a week. Thank you to everyone deployed, but especially II MEF. :)
Cpl L
I do pray for all those overseas. We appreciate all you do for the simple word (FREEDOM) which means very much. I can’t believe that I am reading some of these articles and people are crying about being over there (or other things). The people I am talking about are those that have not learned how to spell yet. If you would get an education, you would have many other opportunities in front of you. It is kind of like the man begging on the street (did you grow up doing drugs and partying all the time or did you try your best to make something of yourself)? I know that everyone does not have the ability to attend high school and college (there are some folks out there who had to work full time to support a family). These are not the people I am talking about. If you could make a choice to party or to get an education and you chose partying, I have no sympathy for you…..
I also would like to state that I know that some of you are there because you really want to be there. Anyway, may God bless all of you (and your families). I will continue to pray for all of you over there and may you all have a safe return home.
First off, let me say thank you to all of you for serving; whether you have been over as a military or civilian. ALL of you have helped to protect us and that is a thanks within its self.
I have read things on here and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but slamming families isn’t helping you. Try being one, not knowing when where or if your husband/wife is coming home, will your children still have that parent? And I know it is just as hard on the other side; will my wife/husband have changed, if so, how much? will my kids still know who I am? These are a few things that I am sure most all of you think about in your off times. There is no reason to downgrade others for their opinions. I have seen first hand when soldiers downgrade each other, most take it as a sibling squabble and leave it because that is what it is. THE MILITARY IS A FAMILY! They always and they always will. It is your choice on whether you want in that family but it one. This includes the spouses and children. Whether they have been over seas or not, they have still served and those that have lost someone will always pay the price of loosing. We do not and should not punish them and should remember then DAILY!!! Our vets that return home NEED the best care and our UTMOST RESPECT because they have been there and done that. So instead of cutting eachother or the families down, look at from a different view- NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE WORLD, YOU ARE ALL A MILITARY FAMILY AND FAMILY STAYS TOGETHER, EVEN DURING BROTHER/SISTER SQUABBLES AND IT IS THESE THAT MAKE THE FAMILY STRONGER!!!! See it as a family and place your self in the others view before you judge and you might just see that the “other side” has a valid point to.
Thanks!
So i am reading here how people are upset about camp victory because there is luxeries. i am a marine and i have only been at victory for a mo or so now…and i was just wondering about this guy up here who is say how terrible it is to have civilians here and how terrible it is that we are able to have luxeries like fast food. and to him i have to say that he is being a bit obserd after all hes using the internet, what better luxery is there than that. im sure he gets to make his phone calls home and emails and that is as much luxeries as we soldiers, sailer, marines and airmen need and almost more than we would ask for. But i am not going to complain because this base is better than another base or complain that their are too many innocent civilians here for this reason or that, but i happen to know that there are many civilians that are not just here to make huge ammounts of money in fact the ones i have talked to they believe this is the very best way that they can help and support us by coming in with the extra foods. and on that not one of the guys i have talked to wasn’t able to join the military due to a medical problem, but he was able to come over as a vendor and help provide a couple extra luxeries like AC out here in the middle of iraq…I have been to other places in Iraq and i would say that yes this is the most homely, but that isn’t saying we dont get mortored or rocketed. It is still dangerous. but i am not going to complain that we have too much here because that is simply retarded. when you are in a place like this and have the oppertunity to visit a place like this you need to be thankful for these civilians that are willing to risk their lives without weapons in hand to come over here and help us out by giving us luxeries like cinibon, and a big PX that has a large selection of movies. To Every Marine, Sailor, Soldier, and Airman I say Semper Fidelis. I am proud to serve with you all.
Cpl Gordon
USMC
I retired from the Army in 1994. In 2004 I went to Iraq as a civilian supporting the troops. I lived and worked at BIAP supporting the 1AD and then later the 1CAV at CP Victory. I was there for over a year as well. I visited many of the fwd sites and we all make the best of what we are given. I enjoyed the AC as well as survived many convoys. Not all civilians enjoy the cushy life there. I did my best to push as much of the necessities fwd as possible. I have been supporting combat solders most of my life. I for one know that if not for them I wouldn’t have made it. I will be back.
Good post, CPL L. I just wanted to add that the post office is open seven days a week, too!
Ya the dogs were totally tight. And they felt so good, and that is why i loved Iraq because of the carnal liberties we recieved
In response to Towgunner…
I served with the Marines 5/11 and 1/4 as a field radio operator. However, I am currently serving with the Oregon Army National Guard as an Infantry Soldier. I understand your comments from both sides of the fence. I served at PB Volunteer in the heart of downtown Baghdad and we made a couple hundred trips to exotic places like, BIAP and the IZ (or Green Zone, depending on your tour). I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly and I concur that there is too much bitching going on. We are a volunteer Army (or Marine Corps, depending on which side of the fence you are on). Nobody forced these guys to sign up, and they should be in Iraq out of honor, dignity and pride. I am honored to have the opportunity to serve my country. I am a little disheartened to hear the rhetoric regarding the difference between the foot soldier and the POG, I believe that every soldier has a job to do, and every job needs a soldier to do it. Without our POGs, no bullets, no beans, no promotions or awards (if you are into that kinda thing). We should all feel honored to serve, and every American Soldier is a hero in the hearts of the people back home, so let’s not vanquish the role of any of these men or women serving. In addition though, any soldier who bitches about their role, doesn’t deserve the respect. I’ve enjoyed the steak and lobster on Tuesday nights at PB Volunteer, and I’ve shared an MRE with two other soldiers while on Point of Origin Patrol on the streets of Baghdad. It shouldn’t matter where you serve, just serve with honor and distinction. Mortars, RPGs and AK rounds have no bias. Infantry or not, a stray round effects us all.
Infantry leads the way, but everyone else supports it.
SGT Jenkins
2-162 Infantry
Hello,
All soldiers and all mos are with me everyday, I hope they all come home safely. I am a Guardsman (combat mos 11B, Infantry) or was during the Desert shield operation, I was stateside whole time though. I was still paying my dues though.
I remember many a day being out on an all day/night patrol with 2 meals as mres and 1 hot a, and without that support personell we would of been wet, tired, and hungry. Its nice after a long patrol to have a real meal and a milk or even a coffee thats hot.
I’m sure the combat guys that visit victory make a mad dash for that whopper as soon as they get realeased, or pizza hut. I know I would.
Anyways to all you military peeps keep your heads low, and come back home to the people who love you.
stoney21 (Ilarmynatlguard 8yrs)
I am prior service, served in the Gulf war in 91. I am now out, and my Wife is in (91K). Let me perfectly clear about this,…if you think that being a military spouse does not require the same amount of dedication and suffering as their sponsor, you are woefully ignorant. I would rather be in Iraq than home with my 2 children, working, managing the household, and missing my Wife.
It still beats the hell out of VN/LO/CAM 1960′s.
If you signed up for it..take it.
U.S.A. When I was in the 4th of July parade in my Desert Uniform I felt an overwhelming amount of pride to see and hear the shouts of proud Americans giving thanks to the American fighting forces fighting for freedom. It was not just the fact that I had served in a combat zone. I made it back in one piece. The possibility of having to exchange my ability to complain rather than having an honor guard member give my wife a flag after a military burial is a blessing just the same. I will be going back to the sand box in a few weeks for the second time and the thought of not making it back home will always be in the back of my mind. I will always raise my hand when the Guard needs volunteers and I know after 27 years of military service Army, Army Reserves, Air Force Reserves and now Air National Guard some jobs and working conditions are not all the same and they will never be. We are one TEAM and have one fight to accomplish to keep freedom free for those kids waiving the American flag in the 4th of July parades all across America. Remember September 11th some of those kids that have lost their lives in that disaster now have flags on their gravesites. They didnt have a choice to give their life for their country. I am glad that there are PXs in the AOR Im glad that there are Burger Kings and swimming pools. I am proud to be an American fighting for freedom wherever the Rotator takes me.
I had an awesome deployment to Fallujah in ’04. I did my job to the best of my ability and would do it all over again if asked to. I’m thankful for the luxuries that we did have, and wishful for the ones we didn’t.
Semper Fi.
I am a military wife of 9yrs,a very difficult job and how dare anyone say any different.Its so sad to hear all of the bickering going on between these soldiers.Its shamefull to the person who said such horrible things to the army wife.As has allready been said several times on this site…”everyone has their own job”!I am a part of the army family,I am not a soldier but I am honored to play the part that I play! I feel such pride being married to such a brave man.We have a 5yr old little girl who misses her daddy dearly.Every day without fail,she asks for him or about him.We have explained to her that daddy is working in Iraq and when his job is done he will be home.I am amazed that at such a young age she doesnt question daddys reasons for being gone,she only wants him home.Everyone on this site has someone at home wanting or missing them …no matter where they are or what they are doing.My husbands biggest complaint is not being home with us.He works hard for the Army and does his job well but theres no place like home…including camp victory.I honor the grunts for there difficult role they play.I only wonder have any of you thought about the whole picture in play here???We are all involved in this war.Right on down to my child who is without her daddy.True he chose this life,I chose to follow him and we chose to have our child….just as everyone here chose to defend this country.The choices we make may not always be good ones but they are the choices our freedom allowed us to make.I feel pride when I look into my husbands eyes,when I see a formation of sodiers,when I look at the ribbons,when I see the happy faces at redeployment and when I know that we are serving our country the best way we can.Show your pride soldiers,stand tall and remember that you are all free to gripe as you wish…..but will it get you anywhere???
As a famous person once said ” can’t we all just get along”.
May we never forget any American soldier for all have served and served proudly.
THE TROOPS ARE DOING A HELL OF A JOB IN IRAQ, IF ITS PIZZA, SUBWAY OR MCDONALDS – YOU DESERVE IT. YOUR SPREADING FREEDOM TO THE MIDDLE EAST – OFFER THEM A LARGE PIZZA WITH SAUSAGE OR A SUBWAY SUB JIM
I am happy because all of you are so happy.THANKS A LOT! Thanks for helping to do what we Americans do best, spread FREEDOM and not expect or get thanks. It’s the highups that keep their news people from thanking us. Talk to the commom people and they give thanks. What I realy know is that if you think you got it bad you shoould have took a hike through WWII and the Koreon Police Action with me, I don’t think you could have kept pace. From over the hill, at least down hill goes easy. DeLos
Reading all these comments it dawned on me none of you know how to spell , what a shame anyways whether or not iraq is like a u.s. base or if it has an internet cafe is not going to change what is going on over there so lets pick something else even more stupid to argue about .
jared would be ashamed
Come on now….stop the bitchin…..what do you think the civilians back home are thinking and getting.
MSgt USMC Rtd
Every base, be it forward or in the rear started from scratch. Each of them started with absolutely nothing but a couple of servicemen, a mission requirement and a vision.
The bases are designed to accomodate a specific mission, support of any level and combat operations.
The support bases must be larger in order to store and distribute the supplies, parts and personnel being pushed forward. These bases will typically be better stocked and provide better logistical luxuries as it takes too much time and effort to pick up everything and move frequently. Of course the logistical bases will have more men and women stationed there as well. It only makes sense that these bases (such as Victory) would have the amenities such as BK, Pizza Hut, and a large PX/BX.
The forward bases are more strategic in nature. They often lack all of the luxuries due to the fact that the base might have to move frequently due to MISSION REQUIREMENTS.
It is not fact that people in support roles deserve or require more civilized environment. It just works out that way. Yes it does suck to be that combat arms soldier out there without a large CD and DVD selection.
The thing that we all have to understand is that eventhough we may not directly realize it, we all work together. Without the finance and PAC guys, we would not get paid. Without the supply guys we would not have any beans or bullets. Without the truck drivers none of it would get to where we need it, and without the combat arms, the enemy would be getting their ass kicked.
We are all in this together, no matter what the role. Thank you, and keep up the good work. I have money in my pocket, food in my stomach, rounds in my rifle and plenty of motivation to kick a little more ass!
BOTTOM LINE IS: YOU CHOSE YOUR DAMN MOS– SO STOP DOWNGRADING THE OTHERS. IF YOU DIDNT WANT YOUR MOS, YOU SHOULDNT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR IT OR TRAINED FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. DID YOU KNOW THAT FIRST AND FORMOST YOU ARE ALL INFANTRY. THAT IS THE FIRST DANG THING YOU LEARN IN BASIC ISNT IT? SO WHO CARES HOW BIG AND BAD YOU THINK YOU ARE OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU SIT IN A COLD BUILDING OR IN A FOXHOLE, YOU ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER FOR THE SIMPLE FACT YOU NEED EACH OTHER’S MOS TO COMPLETE YOUR JOB…. NOONE WOULD HAVE FOOD OR BULLETS WITH OUT TRANSPORATION, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE INTERNET AND PHONES IF THERE WERE NO COMMO THERE AND THERE WOULD BE NO SUPPORT FOR THE FAMILIES BACK HOME BY MEANS OF YOUR PAYS IF SOMEONE SITTING AT THAT DESK WASNT WATCHING AND HELPING WITH YOUR PAY. CAN YOU NOT SEE HOW SILLY YOU ALL SOUND WITH IT? IT IS LIKE A FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL TEAM– OFFENSE AND DEFENSE PLAYERS OR INFIELDERS AND OUT FIELDERS!!! EVERYONE HAS A JOB TO DO AND THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT BUT ARE ALL THERE TO MEET ONE COMMON GOAL. FIGHTING AMONG YOURSELVES IS WHY NOONE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER NOW. THEY HEAR AND SEE IT FROM YOU WHICH TO SOME PEOPLE MAKE US JUST AS BAD AS THE ASSES WE ARE FIGHTING. YOU CHOSE YOUR MOS– NOT ANYONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!
Letting Off Steam-(LOS) is OK, great for the disposition. ‘Downing’ wives and kids isn’t! 35 years after my service time shows me nothing has changed. We’ll still support our troops, all of them! Just come home.
This is really fascinating, the posts here and I thank Noah for getting the ball rolling even if I’m sure he didnt know wherre this was gonna go.
Maybe its my big ego but I feel a bit of personal responsibility for being among the first to post on the pool thing.
1)My comment was directed at a CIVILIAN, the reporter, since nobody orderred him over there and taxpayers arent paying him I don’t think he should be getting sh*t for looking for the pool.
I never made it to the pool my whole time there.
2)I was combat MOS 7th Corp tip of the spear in 91, but you wouldnt want my sorry old ass in any front line position now because..
3)I volunteered to go back as a reservest and the fastest ticket was 1 WEEK training as a replacement commo operator.
That said, I never, ever felt like I was being dissed as a REMF even by the operators I supported who came from the FOBs to check out my stuff. Likewise, I viewed everybody there as the heros they are, from the grunts guardig the chow halls (and alot of them going outside), legal clerks who had to drive route irish to the IZ, and yes the civilians, some of them are bringing new toys to the field to help spank mujis. I never got any inter-service rivalry either.
AAFES is NOT the ARMY, they will go wherever they can make a buck. The only money I spent there went to $20 brown tee shirts and $10 socks, the only type they stocked there.
So thanks for being over there and reporting on whats happening and God Bless all the boys and girls over there and I hope to get back there this year somehow.
Carol, I remember you – I was in the convoy that first created the BIAP PX. Wonderful how the world comes around.
You guys treated us great, and I want to thank you for that.
As for lawn mowers, etc, that stuff was sent to the PXs whether they wanted it or not. I remember the Cedar II PX being full of Doritos and Pepsi, and nary a sock to be found. They stock what AAFES sends them. Such is capitalism in the modern world.
All of you fighters keep your head down and cover your buddy, and s/he will cover you.
we must all be proud of our troops ’cause they’re doing a hell of a job in iraq…
i just have one request to our president, SEND THE TROOPS BACK HOME!!!!
to the troops, be safe always! PEACE!!!
My husband is a EOD tech stationed at a FOB. He doesn’t complain about not having a Burger King or a PX, how much we spend on calling cards, or how hot it is when wearing his bomb suit. He loves what he does for the soldiers and civilians.
We planned ahead, packed snacks, shaving cream, and other items. I keep him restocked by sending a goody package every week (Baby, sorry the chocolate melts) and even when he has had a PX near by I like to send him stuff. However, I do hate to hear that the PX doesn’t have items that a soldier really needs!
I prefer not to be called a dependent, I am his wife. I am certainly not bored, I only miss him and am very concerned about his health and safety. We have two teenagers, dogs, cats, and a home that keep me very busy. Come to think of it, I have never met a dependent spouse, all the wives/husbands in his unit do most everything on their own, because their spouses are always on the go.
I read articles and view maps about his surrounds and I still can’t began to imagine what life is like for him each day. I can only hope that he and his unit will return together as they deployed together.
Whether you are fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq, or partying in Korea…My heart goes out to each of you because you are not home with your family.
Thank you for all that you do!
Note to husband: When you get a chance check out this fabulous PX! We could use a big screen TV and a new vacuum. I love you with all my heart!
I wish everyone would get along. Being in Iraq for a year attached to an infantry unit, even being female, I had to go on patrols, raids, and other missions, I lived on a base that did not have a chow hall or a PX, and we got only one hot meal a day. The next camp, just a few miles away, were getting steak and crab legs every friday. That can be disheartening, but you have to realize everyone has their jobs. The war wouldnt survive if there were just infantry people, or just these kinds of people or that kind of people. We need every element of the military, and every branch, no matter how easy their jobs may seem. When i stepped into the other FOBs, with their vast array of foods, convieninent stores, fast food restaurants, and saw that they STILL complained, i used to be resentful, but i realized that everyone has their role. If it wasnt for this air conditioned guy, I’d never get my money. If it wasnt for that steak eating guy, I’d never get my supplies, food, intel..etc etc. Stay in your own lane, realize your job and duty, and know that other people have their own job and duty. Like everything in life, some have it better than others, but it takes all kinds of us to make the world go around. If you still want to complain, if it bothers you that much, then reclass so that you can get your air conditioning. If not, just keep being the best you that you can be. No matter what MOS you possess, you are making America proud. Never forget that.
Xclusive,
I spent 1yr in Iraq I was stationed in AL KUT with the 711 SIG I did convoy escorts all over that hell hole of a country and Victory was a “VACATION”. The log base off North victory was the real place to take a beatdown. Also 35th sig lost all Coms when the 711th SIG pulled out of the net, so who wants to ask somebody who’s unit can’t even do there job anything? TO ALL, IN ALL BRANCHES, GOD BLESS AND GOD SPEED
THKS,
COWBOY
I have been all over the world and have done alot in my life my time in the teams i have been all combat nothing is better to me than that i feel i helped every one all over by makeing this a better world but to read this s*** on here from you all bothers me we never wont a day with out wondering how was not going home and how was i have put my best freinds head back together my budys guts back in his insides lived in a sewer system for 2 mounths. we new if we got on the raido medvac would come in and we may have time to live or save a life how do you thank is on the other side of that some on sitting at a desk. i did not care if he had A/C are not. only if he could get us to a safe LZ or not. thats what men in the feild worry about.But if you made it back to base and that desk jocky did complain his A/C did not work you now i help him fix it becouse with out him my men would have died and that goes for me to so the next time thank about what you say. i now we would all bitch to each other about that desk jocky or yoman with the A/C but it stayed with use becouse we all new with out thim we would die if some thing happened and no one was on the other side of that radio thank you for reading this and pls so suppert to all i still am act duty and you house wifes we all need a sounding block so dont take to hart all that you read on the board some need to sound out to get thangs out of ther heads and harts you now what i mean thx for your time
All,
Here is my list of Stations
Camp Udairi (Kuwait), Camp Bucca (Iraq), BIAP (Iraq), Camp Slayer (Iraq), Camp Doha (Kuwait)
If any of you have served in OIF you will know that some of these camps are good and some of them are horrible. In any deployment you take whatever you can. You sneak into other peoples chow halls, you do whatever you have to do to survive. Especially if you are in a National Guard unit farmed out to Active duty units who don’t care about you one bit.
I respect anyone who went over there and served from Grunts to Dental assistants. I received help from everyone in between. I saw just as many Marines walking out of the PX with X-boxes as I did Soldiers and Civilians. I schemed many times to use government Non tactical vehicles and there’s not a service member out there who wouldn’t take any perk in a war zone when given the opportunity.
If you live at Camp Victory be grateful, If you don’t scheme a way to get there and enjoy it while you are there. But to all of you, Come home safe to your families. You are not forgotten!!
One thing that everyone here seems to be forgetting… Back when I was an “in front of the front lines” grunt, it was our god-given right to b*tch. We earned, we exercised it, and by gum, we enjoyed it. Talking down the REMF’s gave us something we could focus our frustration on, as opposed to the things we couldn’t couldn’t control, or even really talk about (like command decisions from on high that kept us where we didn’t want to be, longer than we ever dreamed of being there, doing crap we didn’t want to do.)
It’s also about community and Family. Running down the REMF’s was an instant bond with other line-dogs. We may have been jealous of our air-conditioned siblings, but we’d side with them against outsiders in a heartbeat. They were OUR pogue’s (great acronym!) to pick on, and no one else’s. Beside’s, talking them down was a way of talking ourselves “up”. It pointed out how hard-core we were and what all-around BMF’s we had to be to take what we did. And we were right.
This kind of talk has been going on since Hannibal’s elephant handlers got to ride instaed of walk, and will go on when we’re all riding rocket ships. Take it for what it’s worth and drive on.
Since they say I’m too old to go there, I’ll keep things waiting for y’all here until you get home. Shoot & scoot, and don’t let ‘em get you down!
Vicky, I’m confused are you saying your spouse cheated on you at Liberty or in the states? I am really sorry to hear your marriage didn’t make it. But, remember someone much better will come along for you.
For the deployed soldier they hear all the stories about stateside spouses cheating. For the stateside spouse we hear all the cheating stories of the deployed soldiers. Matital unfaithfulness can happen anytime, anywhere, it’s not just a military thing. Just be thankful you found out what type of person he really is and that you can now move on.
Everyone be safe!
It is unfortunate that some people carry such a grudge against sister services and the difference in MOS’s. What you are all failing to see is that not everyone can serve on the front lines and yes, there are people who live in a greater luxury that is appropriate, but its a kick in the shin to those of us who aren’t that way. See, NOT ALL support folks live it up. Ever thought about the first Task Force to go into Iraq who had to help build up places like Fallujah? I know for a fact that we didn’t live it up…what about a FOB in Afghanistan where an infantry security team with a truck platoon, some engineers and support guys did a GAC in and built up the place to receive follow on infantry forces for future missions. Yes – sleeping on the ground, getting shot at, having no cover – waiting on air supply… I’ll be the first to say that some ‘pogues’ need a wake up call, but don’t brand us all. A GOOD support soldier gives his portion to the guy leaving the wire first, then uses what he needs. I can tell you that there are direct support units whose top commanders ingrain that they are their to SUPPORT 24/7 and ensure the course of battle and priority goes forward. Unfortunately even I have seen the more rear echelon support live by the “I’ve got your’s and mine” rule. It makes me sick. Don’t worry – there are still enough warrior supporters to ensure you all have what you need. I’d just like to see a little less Branch bashing and MOS digging…it takes us all – like it or not. Personally I couldn’t stand being in a rear support position. I need the purpose of seeing our combat units leave the wire to keep me going. Maybe that is the differece in a light forward support unit…never been anywhere else and wouldn’t want to be. We live to “make it happen” and take care of our supported units.
By the way – my husband and most of my closest friends are infantry – so its not like I can’t relate… I understand that part of being in the front is bitching about those in the rear. I got it, it goes both ways. I just wanted to say what I felt needed to be said – don’t write us all off as spoiled, unappreciative brats.
To: American Soldier – what you say is very true, we all have a job to do. Some of them just arent’t the “military poster quality.” They aren’t sexy and dangerous and mysterious, but they are important and afford people things that until GWOT came along soldiers didn’t have…like e-mail, occasional decent chow, phones etc. Lets not forget that due to big companies, modern technology and the general American way of life the face of warfare is TOTALLY different. OEF and OIF can in no way be compared to WWII, Korea or Vietnam or anything else. American’s expect to have their McDonald’s and Starbucks…me personally I think its crazy, I’m a soldier and expect to do without, but it wasn’t my choice. Its not like the soldiers themselves made this all up. This is so many echelons up and so many civlians involved lets not point fingers at each other. Doesn’t help that we just so happend to end up taking over posh palaces.
People may negate a POGUES job, but they still like getting their chow, or having their new parts and supplies shipped in some time during their tour! Bottom line is none of these folks are going away – and thank goodness because it takes all.
As for the wife writing about her husband – people….seriously leave her alone. She is just proud of her spouse and his choice to serve. What a lot of soldiers, young and old, and typically who are bitter about something, forget is that she is writing out of respect and the fact that she didn’t think we would go so low as to dig on each other – in her opinion. Gee – what a concept – free speach.
Leave it alone folks…
To: American Soldier – what you say is very true, we all have a job to do. Some of them just arent’t the “military poster quality.” They aren’t sexy and dangerous and mysterious, but they are important and afford people things that until GWOT came along soldiers didn’t have…like e-mail, occasional decent chow, phones etc. Lets not forget that due to big companies, modern technology and the general American way of life the face of warfare is TOTALLY different. OEF and OIF can in no way be compared to WWII, Korea or Vietnam or anything else. American’s expect to have their McDonald’s and Starbucks…me personally I think its crazy, I’m a soldier and expect to do without, but it wasn’t my choice. Its not like the soldiers themselves made this all up. This is so many echelons up and so many civlians involved lets not point fingers at each other. Doesn’t help that we just so happend to end up taking over posh palaces.
People may negate a POGUES job, but they still like getting their chow, or having their new parts and supplies shipped in some time during their tour! Bottom line is none of these folks are going away – and thank goodness because it takes all.
As for the wife writing about her husband – people….seriously leave her alone. She is just proud of her spouse and his choice to serve. What a lot of soldiers, young and old, and typically who are bitter about something, forget is that she is writing out of respect and the fact that she didn’t think we would go so low as to dig on each other – in her opinion. Gee – what a concept – free speach.
Leave it alone folks…
As a military wife I am so upset that there are poeple out there that think that my husband isn’t “pulling his weight”. Every job in the military should be respected. The woman at the top made a point without her husband there would be no mail and without mine there would be no food. Every job is importnant, Equally important.
cassie
Just a quick commment on the way of war these days.
I believe that the burger kings, starbucks and other ammenities that are seen in todays warzone are common place to control the morale of troops and civilians at war. Our genereation has never seen a war of this magnitude and with todays technology a soldier is a mouse click away from contacting his Congressman to request an inquiry. I’m not saying that it should be done but how many WWII vets could go out the back door and criticize his commanders decisions by voicing his/her complaints via email?
I seriously believe that the Camp Victories, the burger kings and such are a way to sooth the media happy soldiers.
Just a thought!
Amazing, in the middle of a combat zone in the desert and they close the pool because there is no lifeguard? Because troops are more likely to drown than get killed in a roadside bombing or shot right? When will the Brass pull thier heads out of thier asses? New Army mantra…. SAFETY first, SAFETY last SAFETY alyways, hooya!!!
EVEN THOUGH A WAR IS GOING ON. KICKING IN DOORS AIN’T ALL ON THE MENU. I WAS THERE WHEN ALL WE HAD WAS A M R E ( MEAL READY TO EAT ) HOT FOOD CAME IN THE BAG AT THAT TIME. WHEN THE PHRASE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. YOU YOU EAT IT AT THE SAME TIME. AS FAR AS THE PX THERE WAS NO TELL OF SUCH A THING. WHEN WE HAD TO WAIT TO GET OUR MATERIALS THROUGH THE MAIL SERVICE. HOT SHOWERS ? WHAT WERE THEY? UNLESS YOU USED A 5 GAL CAN THAT SIT IN THE SUN ALL DAY. IN SOME CASES YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR THAT TO COOL, WHICH WAS RARE. SO ALL THE COOTERS THAT CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT THE PX THEY ARE FULL OF B S
I am a veteran of the Air Force for 12 years in the Comm-Computer career field. I still serve the Military by providing services through Government contracts. I never once laid my life on the line. I received the Southwest Asia Service Medal, but that was only because I was enlisted in the military during the time frame of the Gulf War. I served no integral part. I did not fill the desk of someone who went. So I take no pride in my accomplishments for wartime activities. I salute everyone who has committed themselves to death’s door. I know people who say you sacrificed and it was good for the country. I am proud to have served in that manner, but I will never mistake myself with those who laid it all on the line (survivors or casualties). I have accepted my full veterans benefits, but have not sought to abuse disability or other special benefits. I hope only more people will recognize the real brave soldiers no matter what Service they belong to AF/Army/Navy/Marines/CG. Let us all place the commitments of everyone in perspective of intentions in ther volunteership and the combat or lack thereof.
Thank you all veterans, retirees, active duty, and reservists/national guardians.
As I sit here stateside, I pray for you all to come home safely to your families. And for those who have families stateside without computers… I will personally call them and pass on your message of how much you miss the good old US of A!
Help! I came across this site in search of any info that I could pass on to an organization that wants to send needed items to our military in Iraq. Is anyone willing to share with me on this subject and also on the conditions over there? Thanks!
I just came apon this sight, looking for info. on were my son is.
It is raw emotion and I am glad to see it. It is important you guys get to voice your frustrations. We, on the outside have no business judging you. Iam so sick when I read about someone putting you guys down because you “have a neg attitude”. Sh*, I think they would too if they had their butt thrown 12k miles from home into a sand hole,112degrees with bullets flying around. I guess it’s not patriotic.I see no rah, rah, go America. in war. I will be frank I never supported this war, but guess what you guys are there and we need to be there for you. I can understand why you guys get frustrated when you are out in the dirt with no support. My stepson is in a nice airconditioned office, BSing about how the food sucks. I wish there was someway that there was a rotation system that would allow all to experience Iraq first hand. Then there would be more understanding.His attitude is really getting on my nerves. I lost a brother in the Vetnam War. I am not from a military family but I do know way respect means. I respect all you guys out there. I know that I could not do it-not mentally or physically. My heart goes out to you
As a disabled veteran of OIF/OEF and as the wife of a deployed soldier.. everyone in Iraq and Afghanistan deserves support. No soldier hand picks what FOB or Camp that go to, no soldier is guarenteed a huge DFAC.. the phones/Internet go down regardless of the camp, some times for days. Regardless of a soldier’s rank, MOS, location, branch.. it doesn’t change the agony one feels when yoou hear their family crying when they learn their loved one was killed. Mortars and IEDS don’t ask names before killing their targets.
I stayed at camp no bigger then 2 football fields.. if that. My PX was in the back of a trailer.. I could buy a $500 digital camera.. but heaven forbid I needed sanitary items.. I had 24/7 access to the Internet and DSN phone lines.. shared only with a handful of soldiers.. but I almost never had any type of fire support when I rolled out of the gate.. just myself, my partner and 2 M16′s. We had soldiers that ran daily convoys that could bring us back pizza and burgers that was still warm enough to smell.. and I enjoyed every bite. I had a TV, Playstation, laptop and a real mattress.. but I feel no guilt.. I witness things that would make a grown man cry and make most civilians lose their lunch.. I missed my children’s birthday’s and the holidays.. I saw vehicles blown up by IEDs minutes after I passed the same location.. I worked 12 hour shifts, followed by 24 hour shifts, followed by 36 hour shifts.. When you do not know when and if you are going home.. I see no shame in making the best out of one’s down time. Now that my husband is there again.. along with many of my friends.. I hope they find as many ways as they can to make their lives comfortable. I hope that they have the best support personnel making sure their MRE’s get there, that their pay issues (and there are plenty) are resolved, that can maintain the lines of communication and make sure they have all the neccesary supplies.. That they have great contractors making sure they have hot water, clean porta-johns, clean uniforms and MWR facilities so they can relieve their stress.. by playing ping pong, getting a new book, lifting weights.. whatever keeps them sane.
I’ve been a civilian, a soldier and a spouse.. I have filled enough boots to know that regardless of the “luxuries” provided at some camps compared to others.. all these soldiers deserve what they have available and so much more.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!
As one who’s been both a REMF and also been out there where you never want to be, this retired US Army officer will vote for REMF every day. You guys in Iraq are encountering the same things we saw in Vietnam: oftentimes vast disparities between front line folks and those in the rear. There will always be disparitiesface it, it’s just not as dangerous in the rearbut why the military still has to do these things is beyond me. I thought those lessons had been learned in Vietnam.
What is with our leaders and these huge PXs in the rear? Do they really think they help any? Morale is, or should already be, much better in the rear. In my experienceand what I’m seeing here supports itall these overflowing PXs do is feed black markets. Lawn mowers? Why would any troop want to buy a lawn mower? Further, I’ll bet those PXs have tons of skin lotion and other things oriented towards women. In Vietnam (and Korea), it just went to the local prostitutes. Some things never change. Troops up country should be upset.
And military wives should refrain from posting about military matters. They don’t have a clue as to what they’re talking about. They generally come across in one of two ways. Either they’re warlovers and never met a foreigner they didn’t think should be killed, or they’re whiners, complaining about how no one understands what a hero their sergeant hubby really is. Either way, these women can be most mischievous and embarrass the hell out of their husbands.
Just wanted to say “THANK YOU” to the troops for keeping us spouses and civilians free. :-)
thank you all
To Fido, KISS EVERY KIDS ASS THATS OVER THERE YOU C–K S–Ker!!! Kenny THE HERD
Dear Sir,
This is request from my side how we can trance Mr. G.Master John Nam who is introduced as Iraqi National Team coach now in victory camp doing business in T-shirts printing. We are very badly looking for him. Now he is not responding. As a regular customer he took around USD.9000.00(Nine thousand USD)worth T-shirts from our company and now he is hiding somewhere.
Kindly do the needful to locate Mr. Nam. His Mob. No. 07901254434
Kind regards
jacob/orient sports kwt
IT IS FUNNY WHEN I READ WHAT DISRESPECT IS FLYING TOWARDS EACH OTHER AND YOUR WIVES. I AM A WIFE OF AN ARMY PERSONEL WHO IS AIR DEFENSE AND I WAS HURT TO SEE THAT ALL SERVICE MEMBERS ARE ACTING LIKE CHILDREN. LOOK ALL OF YOU ALL EVEN PEOPLE YOU NO HAVE DIED OR WILL DIE AND HAVE TE SAME COLOR BLOOD AS YOU DO SO. THE SAME GUY YOU ARE PUTTING DOWN WILL BE THE SAME GUY THAT SAVES YOUR LIFE A DAY TO COME AND YOU WILL BE THANKFUL TO THAT MARINE,ARMY,NAVY OR AIRFORCE. ALL YOU SHOULD BE SAYING IS THANK GOD YOU ARE NOT DEAD AND YOUR KIDS HAVE A FATHER OR A MOTHER. YOU ARE FORGETTING THAT THEIR ARE DEAD SERVICE MEMBERS WHO WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ALIVE AGAIN ONCE MORE. ITS A SHAME THAT THE SAME WOMEN WHO SOME OF THEM STAND BEHIND YOU AND PRAY FOR YOU AND WORRY ABOUT YOU KNOWING YOU OR NOT IS THE SAME PERSON YOU ARE DRAGGING TO THE MUDD. I HOPE WHEN YOU ARE IN THE BATTLE FIELD BECAUSE THEY ARE SENDING OVER 45000 SOLDIERS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR YOU WILL NOT NEED. REMEMBER WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT FOX HOLE AND BULLETS ARE FLYING THAT YOU WOULD NOT NEED ANOTHER SERVICE MEMBER. I RESPECT MARINES, NAVY, AIRFORCE, BUT MOSTLY THE ARMY BECAUSE THATS WHO I KNOW AND WHAT I NO.
THANK YOU FOR READING
Princess B, you really should get a life. Or maybe you should just relax and enjoy the show
:-) Maybe that would help you unwind and not have your backside in just a tight whad.
I would like to wish all of our dedicated and loyal troops that are over in Iraq a Merry Christmas. I hate to think of you all over there during this time as I am sure you all feel the same. Please stay as safe as you can and remember we are all praying for your quick and safe returns home. We love you all. Anyone needing a friend to talk to during this trying time may contact me at orthoasstnt@charter.net Merry Christmas, happy New Year, and may God bless.
I am not in the military but I am looking for a man who is! Friends or whatever just someone to write to (snail mail) I am 25 yr old female and would appriciate someone who is 25 to 35 years old.
Ive had my share of nutcases for now so please not too crazy “K” Love ya!!!I have the best since of humor ever so hope you are a laugher!
Hi I’m looking for a pen pal and I thought having soom one as a pen pal would be cool. so if you want to be my pen pal e-mail me at scooby_doo4206902@yahoo.com Hope to chat soon.
I am good friends with someone that is headed to Camp Victory, I love to send care packages when they are there. I am looking for information about the camp, ideas for things to send,,,,etc.
Tiffany
My daughter’s boyfriend has been at Camp Victory since March and we would also like information about what is needed by the troops stationed there. We’re sending weekly “care packages” but don’t always know if it’s things they need. (We always send enough for him to share with others) Any information would be helpful!
Would love to find military retired firefighters to chat with.My husband was a firefighter in the Air Force for many many years.Email me you may know who he is.GOD Bless
I first want to say THANK YOU to all of the BRAVE men and women serving our country. Without you the US would not be a wonderful place to live. I pray for you all often and wish you a safe return to your friends, family and loved ones. I would like to know how I would go about meeting a single military man? I am from Indianapolis, IN and I have the absolute, utmost respect for you guys. I would love to meet and become pen pals with someone looking for love. Please keep your heads up and think positive. We are all praying for your safe return.
I’m praying for all you service men and women to come home safe and soon.All of you are God’s gifts.Take care and be careful.
Hi to all I just want to say that I support you all and pray for you all. I have all kinds of family in the Marines and Navy, so have tons of respect for you (all branches). and would love to show my support by being a pen pal for anyone who doesn’t have family or friends they can talk to, sometimes waiting on mailcall and not hearing your name can suck i’m sure, sometimes having a little bit of home in any form is a boost, so I’d like to help, to see if you’d like to correspond I know everything is digital and email, but sometimes a nice letter to read can’t be replaced. is there a way to find out if there is a true list of pepals, Let me know and God speed!! Cyndi
I stumbled upon this site searching to see where my son was off to in Nov.Some of the comments made me proud and some of them pissed me off. Being the daughter of a Navy man, wife of a 24 year Army retired with numerous awards and Bronze Stars, and the mother of a Navy FC1 I am VERY proud of our boys overseas. Yes, this is like another Vietnam, but by God we can change it in the respect we show these guys who have given up their lives and families so that they can protect America from another 911. Do you remember how you felt that day? It came home to us on OUR soil. These men who have lost their lives and are enduring hellish conditions overthere, never getting a minutes peace for fear some stray bullet will get them deserves our utmost RESPECT!!! Men take care and know we love you here at home and pray for your safe return very soon. Most of all THANK YOU!!
OU
I really would not know where to start except to say “THANK YOU” which does not seem to be near enough i am unsure of what to do to help i am looking for some pen pals that r in the armed forces in iraq somewhere and cant seem to find out where to go on line. If you know of anyone who would be interested in this please e-mail me at ladytiger23231@yahoo.com and THANK YOU ALL. U r in my prayers every night
I’m looking for a pen-pal. My email address is crimsonseven@gmail.com. Stay safe and thanks for all you do.
I’m looking for an Pen-Pal. Are you lonely just as I am? Do you long for that intimate conversation? Race is unimportant..But I am looking to connect with an tall,dark,handsome African American male, who’s looking for a friend. Alittle about myself: I have been sinle for the last 4years, I am 42, a single parent of 1,friendly, kind,loyal, honest,humerous,witty,intellectual,sensitive,nurturing, loving, practical, single, and I love children. I am also romantic, quiet,shy,self confident,serious,responsible,sexy,medium maintenance, a good listener and a good communicator. Things I like to do in my spare time are: dine out, hang out with friends,listen to music,draw,watch movies,travel,cook,decorate,shop,read,cuddle and play my play station(yes-I’m a gamer :). What I’m looking for in a male is simplisity: He must be -family oriented,a natural leader,a manly-man,intelligent, tall,dark,handsome and charming. Is there anyone out there???
Hello all who is reading this. Need help or assistance. My husband just returned from FOB WARRIOR, IRAQ working with private consulting company and found out he was cheating on me with BX or PX Personnel at FOB WARRIOR, IRAQ. The employee’s name are YOLLY,ROSA and LINDA. I dont know if any of you all have ever been cheated on but you would understand the disappointment and heart break that I am experiencing. If you have any information please post or pass along. It will remain confidental. Sincerely, Broken-Heart
Hello Troops! I am so proud of each and every one of you. I am looking for a pen pal. Someone who needs a friend. I am hereto talk. Take care and BE SAFE! With lots of love from home Diana
Hello again! Thank you! I forgot to include my email on my posting. I am looking for a pen pal. My Email is boogieslick@yahoo.com If you need a friend I am here.Be SAFE!!!!
Diana
I’m looking for a pen-pal. message for address
Please forgive my mutiple posts from earlier my browser was acting up very badly. Thanks.
hey i am 11 years old and i am intersted in being a AH-64 apache helicopter pilot. I know i am a long way away from that though. I have been trying to get a soldier pen pal. I have not had much luck though. If you want to talk to i will talk to you. You can e-mail me at thekenster12@yahoo.com
I was just wondering if there was any way to find a solider pen pal, they do so much for us and i want to do something for them too. I will do either email or snail mail, whichever is easiest…let me know…
probably should have put my email addy too, sorry its late..lol krsprincess8@yahoo.com
hey, i am black male 30years just willing to meet any female for fun and serious relationship and i am funny and friendly and if you dont mind just having some snail mail to chat me at abeynice@gmail.com or abiodun.niceguy@yahoo.com
cheers
abey
hey, i am nacy,30yrs old new jersey seeking for any male out there my email is j.nacy@yahoo.com
kiss
hello every one , i am diana from uk, i need your help for my operation at the hospital and i will like anybody to please help me out with any amount by sending me money for my operation and i will be glad and please the operation in near and i dont mind receiving emails of your helps and my email is jm.diana.s@gmail.com.thanks
Diana
Hi my name is Sheria and i am looking for a pen-pal preferabably between the ages of 19-28 LOL! i am s/f/19 I live in San Diego, email me for more about me and to get to know each other, tc
sheria_comfort@yahoo.com
:o)
I am looking to write a soldier who needs a friend email or U.S mail is fine. oneikajohn@hotmail.com
Hello to the American military! I’m a Southern grandma who is very willing to be there to help, but would probably be much more of a hindrance than help. Please know that most Americans, while silent most of the time, care about you.
I live a pretty ordinary life with little excitement, but considering what you live with it’s pretty great. Would anyone like a pen pal to relate the very ordinary things of a Southern life? I have time to write, e- or snail mail, and would love to have an individual to care about. E-mail me if you like. kckirby@ctc.net
I am looking for a pen pal to write to or email..
Contact me at kksassz70@comcast.net if you are interested…
Karen
karen – call me – kevin
by the way…. it is bognerm@yahoo.com if you have trouble locating it……
LOOKING FOR PEN PAL
Hi my name is Melissa and my brother in law was stationed in afghanistan for awhile so I know how lonely it can be over there…I am 20 year old college student and I would love to write a soldier, male or female, or email is fine too
peechez467@yahoo.com
HELLO TO ALL THE MILTARY MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAS FOUGHT FOR OUR CONTRY I DONT KNOW YOU BUT I LOVE YOU AND MUCH MORE THEN MYSELF GOD LOVES YOU ALL MORE .AND I CANT EVER THANK YOU ENOUGH .I AM A MILTARY WIDOW AND IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WANT A PEN PAL I WILL BE THATEMAIL ME AT debrat755@yahoo.com take care and god bless you all
HELLO TO ALL THE MILTARY MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAS FOUGHT FOR OUR CONTRY I DONT KNOW YOU BUT I LOVE YOU AND MUCH MORE THEN MYSELF GOD LOVES YOU ALL MORE .AND I CANT EVER THANK YOU ENOUGH .I AM A MILTARY WIDOW AND IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO WANT A PEN PAL I WILL BE THATEMAIL ME AT debrat755@yahoo.com take care and god bless you all
When is congress going to pass the no cheating on husband/wives act in the military and start docking benefits of the ones that commit this? I got back from Iraq in sept to find out my ex had spent 70,000 not too mention she had drained the kids college funds. I get back to get booted out of my house and trying to find a place to stay (which through the good graces of my command) was able to stay in the barracks until I could find a roommate. This happens way too much and the cheaters stateside get a free pass while we have to hold up to the crappy end of the bargain. Congress needs to do something about this. The wars are not going away anytime soon, and this is going to keep happening.
Just wanted to say hi to everyone. I thank you all for serving our country and making it a safer place for us to live. I am on here to support everyone and to see if anyone would like a PEN-PAL at all. My ex was in the army and i wront him everyday. I love writing and would like to get back to it. If your interested email me and let me know or if you know of anyone who would like a pen pal. Justinert21@gmail.com have a great day….. Justine
Hi,
I want female military girl to marry or to make friend ship. Please send serious people only. Iam Uday Kumar from INDIA. Iam 26 male.
My email id is udaays6@gmail.com