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Home » Ships and Subs » More Kidding Around

More Kidding Around

It ain’t easy being an admi­ral … espe­cially when you’re over­see­ing the most con­tro­ver­sial naval deal in years.
Rear Adm. Mark Milliken is direc­tor of the U.S. Navy’s International Programs Office. When the Navy donates or sells retired ships to allied navies, Milliken’s the guy who man­ages the trans­ac­tion. This means han­dling some diplo­matic hot pota­toes — none hot­ter than the ongo­ing trans­fer of Kidd-​​class detroy­ers to the Taiwanese navy.
Two of the four Kidds sailed for Taiwan in October. The other pair is get­ting a facelift at Detyens ship­yard in Charleston, S.C, before its 2007 han­dover. The Kidds will replace Taiwan’s 60-​​year-​​old Gearing-​​class destroy­ers. Combined with recent pro­cure­ment of Perry– and Knox-​​class frigates and French-​​built Lafayette frigates, the $415-​​million Kidd deal sig­nif­i­cantly improves Taiwan’s abil­ity to oppose a Chinese amphibi­ous assault on the island.
Which is why many Chinese — includ­ing (full dis­clo­sure here) my girl­friend — oppose the trans­fer.
That much we all know. But get­ting Adm. Milliken to say it was next to impos­si­ble. In a recent inter­view, Milliken touted the Kidds’ com­mon­al­ity with U.S. sys­tems and their util­ity in the War on Terror(?). But even when I directly asked, he refused to even acknowl­edge that the Kidds might one day fight for con­trol of the Taiwan Strait.
Milliken isn’t the only one tread­ing lightly when it comes to the Kidds. This week­end, I called on Detyens to pho­to­graph the Kidds under ren­o­va­tion. At first, ship­yard offi­cials were happy to host me. Then some­one from higher phoned down to have me kindly turned away.
Small Kidd.jpgOne man­ager told me that even the offi­cial launch cer­e­mony for the first pair of destroy­ers was a delib­er­ately low-​​key affair, with Taiwanese naval offi­cers attend­ing in civil­ian clothes. Desperate for mate­r­ial, I had to make do shoot­ing pic­tures through Detyens’ chain-​​link fence.
The way Milliken describes them, ship trans­fers are a key facet of U.S. diplo­macy. More than hard­ware changes hands. As part of the Kidd deal, as many as 1,200 Taiwanese sailors and offi­cers all will have spent more than two years in Charleston learn­ing English, train­ing on the destroy­ers and adopt­ing American ways of doing things. For friendly navies, accept­ing old American war­ships and other tech­nol­ogy means becom­ing a vir­tual adjunct of the U.S. Navy. In this way, American naval power is far greater than our 280 hulls imply.
Consider that just two classes of American war­ships pro­vide the oper­a­tional back­bones of six impor­tant allied navies. Perry-​​class frigates equip the Taiwanese, Spanish, Polish and Australian navies. Arleigh Burke-​​class destroy­ers are the basis for the most capa­ble ships in the Japanese, Korean and (soon) Australian navies. And Spain’s F100 frigates are built around the Burke’s com­bat sys­tems. So close are our naval ties to Spain that Alvaro de Bazan (F101) joined the USS Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group for its May 2005 deploy­ment.
Look for ship-​​transfer diplo­macy to become only more impor­tant in com­ing years as Milliken and his suc­ces­sors dis­pose of the many young hulls being retired by the shrink­ing U.S. Navy.
– David Axe

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  1. Byron Skinner says:
    November 10, 2005 at 2:46 pm

    Good Morning David,
    You stated the prob­lem well. These plat­forms are upping the antie with China and other coun­tries that are try­ing to break into the mil­i­tary ship­buil­bing busi­ness and build a “Blue Water Fleet”.
    Didn’t Iran have four “Kidds” and then new F-14’s on order in 1979 whe the Shaw was booted out and the Islamic Republic formed?
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner
    “Stewart’s Platoon”

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  2. DanThomson says:
    November 10, 2005 at 5:16 pm

    Great, 1200 more Taiwanese kids who will end up at the bot­tom of the ocean in a few years. Plus who knows how many Chinese kids that will be taken down with them.
    It’s nice to see America not doing any­thing stu­pid that might increase ten­sions or put more peo­ple in harm’s way when the Taiwan Strait hits the fan.

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  3. max says:
    November 10, 2005 at 8:21 pm

    Well-​​I think those Taiwanese “kids” prob­a­bly have a bet­ter chance on the Kidd class than the Gearing class.
    Or are you sug­gest­ing that we give them some­thing more advanced?
    I don’t understand.

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  4. rutty says:
    November 10, 2005 at 10:08 pm

    “Great, 1200 more Taiwanese kids who will end up at the bot­tom of the ocean in a few years.“
    Helping Taiwan be able to defend her­self againt a com­m­mu­nist junta that has an atro­cious human-​​rights record (forced abor­tions, jail-​​time for prac­tic­ing a reli­gion, censoring/​controlling the news and inter­net, .…) and gives no rea­son to think that it is going to change is the right thing to do. Do you want to see a Tianemen square in Taipei? I won­der if you would feel dif­fer­ent in you lived in free China? (For all I know you do live there.)

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  5. Byron Skinner says:
    November 10, 2005 at 10:55 pm

    Good Evening David,
    Here is a some what chill­ing though regard­ing those F-14’s in Iran. My under­stand­ing is that they have been mostly grounded since 1979 for lack of sup­port and spare parts.
    With “Desk Top” fab­ri­ca­tion now a real­ity and remem­ber­ing that Iran already has a weapons indus­try and is des­pertly try­ing to get into Aero Space man­u­fac­tur­ing by mak­ing licenced SU-27’s, those M-14’s could become some­thing worth keep­ing an eye on from above.
    I don’t think it’s poss­able for these old but still capa­ble war birds, when made fly­able again could go on the inter­na­tional arms mar­ket and be the nucleus of an al Qaeda Air Force that would lease bas­ing rights from Iran. Naw that the stuff of B Grade movies, would never hap­pen.
    Just more strange thoughs from the old guy, time to take my meds. it can’t hap­pen, right?
    Say it ain’t so David.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner
    “Stewart’s Platoon”

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  6. DanThomson says:
    November 13, 2005 at 5:52 pm

    I’m American, but I’ve worked in both China and Taiwan in the last five years doing M&A con­sult­ing.
    China’s “evil” com­mu­nist gov­ern­ment is a scape­goat for neo­con­ser­v­a­tives here in the US. Nobody wants to see a war over Taiwan, not the US, China or Taipei, but if we keep send­ing more mil­i­tary hard­ware to the Straits it’s only going to make the sit­u­a­tion worse.
    China will NEVER attack Taiwan UNLESS they think they’re going to make a for­mal dec­la­ra­tion of inde­pen­dence, and the only thing that will make THAT likely is if we keep blindly say­ing we’ll sup­port them no mat­ter how stub­born and dan­ger­ous their behav­iour is.

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  7. Byron Skinner says:
    November 14, 2005 at 1:58 pm

    Good Mornig Dan,
    I think you make a timely osber­va­tion about China and Taiwan. If there were gen­uine hostal­i­ties between the two “coun­tries” the ecomonic inter­course that has take place in the past twenty years would have not hap­pened. Both coun­tries have and still are court­ing each other.
    In the ’50’s the Nationalists Chinese formed strong polit­i­cal, mil­i­tary and com­mer­i­cal bonds with in the United States. The none rec­on­cil­i­a­tion poli­cies of that era are still around some­things seem like a hang­over. It’s time to move on before an event takes place that nei­ther side wants to hap­pen.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner
    “Stewart’s Platoon”

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  8. dan says:
    November 28, 2005 at 2:24 pm

    today my thought is on sad­dan huss­ian. He knows where osama bin laden is. my advice would be keep him alive no death penalty. His also our link to al quaida​.It the 25 mil­lion still hold on the wild card osama bin?“StewartPlatoon” Byron Skinner

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  9. Harry Arms says:
    September 22, 2006 at 4:14 pm

    The Inflation Tax
    Deficit spend­ing is a euphemism for an infla­tion rate higher than a Latin American dic­ta­tor­ship. It is not true that infla­tion hits every­one equally. Intangible assets such as cash, stocks and bonds are all deval­ued equally. However, tan­gi­ble assets such as pre­cious met­als and real estate rise in cash value by an amount equal to the rate of infla­tion. Not only are tax con­trols and the con­trol of the over­pric­ing of prod­ucts (such as the noto­ri­ous price goug­ing on soft­ware prod­ucts by com­pa­nies such as Microsoft) long over­due; but an hon­est infla­tion plan is needed. Politicians act as if infla­tion is some­thing that just hap­pens with­out any cause. Inflation is caused by a vari­ety of fis­cal poli­cies such as deficit spend­ing and allow­ing com­pa­nies to raise prices with­out limit. The rate of infla­tion can be fixed at any desired level with proper eco­nomic con­trols.
    A neg­a­tive infla­tion rate means that the sup­ply of cash and nego­tiable secu­ri­ties is being reduced. This is as insane and as dam­ag­ing as a national pol­icy of run­away infla­tion. A men­tally sane pol­icy is con­sid­ered to be an actual infla­tion rate in the range of 4.8 to 5.2 per­cent per year.
    The cur­rent sit­u­a­tion is one of no con­trols at all:
    see fedplan1.jpg

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