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Home » Ammo and Munitions » Marines Quiet About Brutal New Weapon

Marines Quiet About Brutal New Weapon

War is hell. But its worse when the Marines bring out their new urban com­bat weapon, the SMAW-​​NE. Which may be why theyre not talk­ing about it, much.
This is a ver­sion of the stan­dard USMC Shoulder Mounted Assault Weapon but with a new war­head. Described as NE — “Novel Explosive”- it is a ther­mo­baric mix­ture which ignites the air, pro­duc­ing a shock­wave of unpar­al­leled destruc­tive power, espe­cially against build­ings.
smaw-ne sequence.JPGA post-​​action report from Iraq describes the effect of the new weapon: “One unit dis­in­te­grated a large one-​​storey masonry type build­ing with one round from 100 meters. They were extremely impressed.” Elsewhere it is described by one Marine as “an awe­some piece of ord­nance.“
It proved highly effec­tive in the bat­tle for Fallujah. This from the Marine Corps Gazette, July edi­tion: “SMAW gun­ners became expert at deter­min­ing which wall to shoot to cause the roof to col­lapse and crush the insur­gents for­ti­fied inside inte­rior rooms.“
The NE round is sup­posed to be capa­ble of going through a brick wall, but in prac­tice gun­ners had to fire through a win­dow or make a hole with an anti-​​tank rocket. Again, from the Marine Corps Gazette:

“Due to the lack of pen­e­trat­ing power of the NE round, we found that our assault­men had to first fire a dual-​​purpose rocket in order to cre­ate a hole in the wall or build­ing. This blast was imme­di­ately fol­lowed by an NE round that would incin­er­ate the tar­get or lit­er­ally level the structure.”

The ratio­nal for this approach was straightforward:

“Marines could employ blast weapons prior to enter­ing houses that had become pill­boxes, not homes. The eco­nomic cost of house replace­ment is not com­pa­ra­ble to American lives…all bat­tal­ions adopted blast tech­niques appro­pri­ate to enter­ing a bunker, assum­ing you did not know if the bunker was manned.”

The man­u­fac­tur­ers, Talley, make bold use of its track record, with a brochure head­lined Thermobaric Urban Destruction.“
The SMAW-​​NE has only been pro­cured by the USMC, though there are reports that some were ‘bor­rowed’ by other units. However, there are also pro­pos­als on the table that thou­sands of obso­lete M-​​72 LAWs could be retro­fit­ted with ther­mo­baric war­heads, mak­ing then into effec­tive urban com­bat tools.
But in an era of pre­ci­sion bombs, where col­lat­eral dam­age is expected to be kept to a min­i­mum, such mas­sively bru­tal weapons have become highly con­tro­ver­sial. These days, every civil­ian casu­alty means a few more hearts and minds are lost. Thermobaric weapons almost invari­able lead to civil­ian deaths. The Soviet Union was heav­ily crit­i­cized for using ther­mo­baric weapons in Afghanistan because they were held to con­sti­tute “dis­pro­por­tion­ate force,” and sim­i­lar crit­i­cisms were made when ther­mo­bar­ics were used in the Chechen con­flict. According to Human Rights Watch, ther­mo­baric weapons “kill and injure in a par­tic­u­larly bru­tal man­ner over a wide area. In urban set­tings it is very dif­fi­cult to limit the effect of this weapon to com­bat­ants, and the nature of FAE explo­sions makes it vir­tu­ally impos­si­ble for civil­ians to take shel­ter from their destruc­tive effect.“
So its under­stand­able that the Marines have made so lit­tle noise about the use of the SMAW-​​NE in Fallujah. But keep­ing quiet about con­tro­ver­sial weapons is a lousy strat­egy, no mat­ter how effec­tive those arms are. In the short term, it may save some bad press. In the long term, its a recipe for a scan­dal. Military lead­ers should debate human right advo­cates and the like first, and then pub­licly decide “we do/​do not to use X”. Otherwise when the media find do find out as they always do — not only do you get a level of hys­te­ria but there is also the charge of cov­er­ing up.
I’m unde­cided about ther­mo­bar­ics myself, but I think they should let the legal peo­ple sort out all these issues and clear things up. Otherwise you get claims of chem­i­cal weapons and vio­lat­ing the Geneva Protocol. Which doesn’t really help any­one. The warfighter is left in doubt, and it hands pro­pa­ganda to the bad guys. Just look at what hap­pened it last weeks scream­ing over white phos­pho­rous rounds.
– David Hambling
THERE’S MORE: Americans arent the only ones with these weapons. The Chinese, the Russians — even guerilla groups — now have ther­mo­bar­ics’ shock­ingly destruc­tive power in their grasps.

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  1. George Bradstein says:
    March 29, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    History has shown the side with the more advanced tech­nol­ogy wins con­flicts? No… how bout Vietnam? How bout the Russian-​​Aghani con­flict in the eight­ies? How about the war of inde­pen­dence? Insurgents will out­last occu­piers. Although I hope it is dif­fer­ent for us in Iraq and Afghanistan…

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  2. Bill says:
    April 9, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    I say that they can use it as long it doesn’t affect us in the long or short run. It may be use­ful at war but sheesh, if that thing mis­fires and hits a nurs­ery or some­thing then…

    Reply
  3. Joe Rocker says:
    June 24, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    Wrong weapon for Falluja. Just flat­ten the place with B-​​52s. Why should one American die for a bunch of mud huts.

    Reply
  4. Bobby says:
    June 29, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    America has become so good at using pro­pa­ganda that even it’s own peo­ple believe that it’s a free coun­try. America this, America that.Trying to be world police…to keep it’s fin­gers in all the pies more like.Oil,strategic bases,money,converting states to allies through what­ever means.They have been using Nazi tech­niques for years.Propaganda tech­niques and tech­nol­ogy and who knows what else. Take 9/​11 for example..inside job? Don’t rule it out huh.I do agree that fight­ing for your coun­try may be valiant and brave..but before you sign your life away,when the amer­i­can people’s lives have been in no dan­ger from for­eign­ers in the first place,you should maybe con­sider either what your fight­ing for or who’s side (if any) ahould you be on.

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  5. nick maiocco says:
    September 16, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    george b, i dont know about the Russian-​​Aghani con­flict, but viet­nam was a mil­i­tary vic­tory, a polit­i­cal fail­ure for sure, but our tac­tics were sound.. also, in war of independence…we used bet­ter tac­tics. guerilla tac­tics to be pre­cise, as opposed to lin­ing up and duk­ing it out against supe­rior num­bers. hit and run tac­tics, the first sharp­shoot­ers, we even tar­geted their lead­ers. all of these were new and bet­ter strategems. where are you get­ting your info?

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  6. Cabrone says:
    October 22, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    neu­tron bomb them. Why spend any more money on devel­op­ing nice weapons, war is not nice. Lets use what we already have and fin­ish em off. set off the nuetron bomb and you can occupy ter­ri­tory in 4 days. Stop try­ing to spare so called inno­cent peo­ple. the women bare chil­dren that will grow up to be just like who we are fight­ing now. Remember they started this. The mus­lims are spread­ing like a plague through­out the free world and try­ing to impose their hor­ri­ble beliefs on unsus­pect­ing nice free­dom lov­ing folks. Lets stop screw­ing around and defeat this enemy.

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  7. SkysoldierRecon says:
    November 6, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    I really would like to see the M-​​3 CG given to line units, since only the ones we have are used by SOCOM. 1 and done ain’t good enough, 6 rnds a minute works 4 me..buy more. Wat a great weapon, we should have a hel­luva lot more. Those guys NEED them. 1 and done sux…

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  8. AMMO says:
    November 16, 2009 at 3:21 am

    Really? You con­done the deaths of hun­dreds of thou­sands of inno­cent men, women, and chil­dren? What if the US used that same ide­ol­ogy on our own soil? Oh man there’s a ser­ial killer in a house, let’s just bomb the place. Oh, oops there’s 50 hostages? That’s too bad, but at least he won’t hurt any­one anymore!

    Your xeno­pho­bic ideals are why peo­ple hate us. America would be a great coun­try if we could just keep the most igno­rant of us off the television.

    Reply
  9. Joel (LT, ret.) says:
    November 16, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    The Arabs rou­tinely use civil­ian shields, civil­ian homes, and also use U.N. facil­i­ties as shields and bases from which to fire from and hide behind. These tac­tics were very fre­quent in the Lebanon War, and the destruc­tion of a U.N. post hap­pened because the Arab fight­ers set up obser­va­tion and mor­tars around it. Any time a fight­ing orga­ni­za­tion fights from civil­ian “cover” or “con­ceal­ment” casu­al­ties can be expected. But they shouldn’t be blamed on the nuances of how one high-​​explosive works as opposed to another, or is more pow­er­ful. The civil­ian casu­al­ties should be blamed on the fight­ers who choose to endan­ger civil­ians … or for that mat­ter, use them as sui­cide terrorists.

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  10. Doc York says:
    November 16, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    This is a good weapon and I hope the boys can get it soon…it would save many Americans lives…and that is some­thing I do care about. The job of the infantry is to engage and destroy the ememy, no arrest them. 

    Thank you.… keep up the good work Marines, we are proud of you! 

    Semper Fi

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  11. bigdaddydan says:
    November 16, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    just let them loose. i say make a big­ger one and blow the whole damn coun­try up. that way our sol­diers can come home.

    Reply
  12. R. Miller says:
    November 16, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    the geneva con­ven­tions and sim­i­lar rules of con­duct are a good idea, only if both sides abide by them! i have 2 nephews in the u.s.m.c., and i’ve given them one piece of advice. “it’s bet­ter to be judged by 12, than to be car­ried by 6.” i’m on my last nerve with the bleed­ing hearts that think it’s unfair that we have supe­rior weaponry. if the al-​​qaida (hope i spelled that right) had thought about our fire­power before they started up with us, they wouldn’t have to be deal­ing with it now. we’re not killing inno­cent peo­ple over in iraq, and afghanistan! the cow­ards hid­ing behind them are the ones respon­si­ble for the civil­ian deaths in my opin­ion. they can behead con­struc­tion work­ers and school girls for their cause, but when we level a build­ing they were hid­ing in and a non-​​combatant gets caught up in the mess, they call us cow­ards… OOH RAH!!!

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  13. SkysoldierRecon says:
    November 17, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    It would be nice if line units got to use the G-​​3 Carl Gustav..6 rnds a minute..with a ther­mo­baric charge? Why does SOCOM have a monop­oly on the CG’s? Damn that is way bet­ter than 1 and done..the only good muj is a DEAD 1..fuck ‘em…

    Reply
  14. nikolayaleksi says:
    November 20, 2009 at 7:38 am

    do you speak türk­ish any bady is here

    Reply
  15. Brandon says:
    November 20, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    OMFG where can I buy some of those.

    Reply

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