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By: Dfens

Dfens — Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:00:36 +0000

You think it is some ECM trick that makes the MiG-29 and Su-27 hot? Have you ever wondered why the SR-71, F-14, and Boeings Transonic Cruiser all share a similar layout? Then look at that MiG and Su, and see if you notice any similarities. You can always add new avionics and displays to an airplane. If the design of the airplane sucks, however, rarely can that be fixed, even if you change every part on it (F/A-18E/F). And the MiG-21, it’s just little, quick, and plentiful. No secret there.

By: Sven Ortmann

Sven Ortmann — Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:21:45 +0000

@Cernig
I don’t care who wrote that “F-15 Tomcat”.
It just points out that there was some less-than-well-informed guy involved in the creation fo the story, no matter at which stage.
And for already mentioned political reasons (F22 justification), I don’t care a lot about the results at all. Even if the U.S. pilots had lost 1:10 in 1on1, it would not mean much.
Learning about HOW some pilots in modern Suchois defeat western fighters (and F-15/16 aren’t new at all, both in their basic design years older than the MiG-29 and Su-27). Learning about so far unknown tactical details would be great.
Some ECM trick, not so obvious engine handling characteristics, probably superior anti-G equipment…whatever. If there are identifiable reasons for superiority or competitiveness that are unknown to the interested public so far, it would be interesting news.

By: Dfens

Dfens — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:15:18 +0000

The whining about being out numbered just blows me away. Out numbered by fighters costing a fraction of what an F-15 costs, go figure. Here's an intelligence flash for the USAF, we don't have as many fighters as Russia or the Chinese. If you're going to be successful against non-3rd world countries, maybe it's time you quit the whining and got busy figuring out what you're going to do when you are. And as for the whole, "they were just dogging it" thing, I've let people win at racquetball before, but they didn't beat me 21 to 2. Mr. Cernig appropriately brings up that this time Lockmart is very interested in selling F-16s to the IAF, and they are unlikely to attract their business by losing. As for the idea of building small, cheap, air defense fighters for the USAF, now there's someone who is thinking! As I recall, the USAF didn't do a bang up job protecting either New York or Washington DC from the last air attack (9/11/01). Now that they've closed a whole bunch more bases, I doubt they'll do any better against the next attack. I don't know about you, but I'd feel a lot better knowing my country was defended by a bunch of little planes than by a few of these monuments to the fighter pilot ego.

By: Edward Liu

Edward Liu — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:01:11 +0000

I was going to suggest that the USAF grab a few Indian Air Force pilots and find out how they managed to outfly F-15’s and F-16’s in far less technologically advanced aircraft. My assumption is that we could either adapt those same techniques into something truly devastating in a more advanced aircraft, or use them to justify going in the exact OPPOSITE direction of the F/A-22 and go for cheaper airframes in quantity with better-trained pilots over hugely expensive technological terrors in small numbers.
After browsing this comment thread, though, I like Dfens’ suggestion of outsourcing air defense to India better, if only because it’s funnier.