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Home » You can run... » Wiretaps’ Fishy Rationale

Wiretaps’ Fishy Rationale

It’s no sur­prise that the President defended the NSA’s domes­tic eaves­drop­ping this morn­ing; the guy backs every deci­sion he makes, to the death. And it’s no sur­prise to learn that the President had “reau­tho­rized the pro­gram more than 30 times since the ter­ror­ist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and plans to con­tinue doing so,” accord­ing to the AP.
But what’s odd is why the Administration felt they needed to avoid get­ing war­rants for the wire­taps, in the first place. As Josh notes:

[T]he prime ratio­nale for this pro­gram appears to have been to avoid the time and bureau­cratic hur­dles involved in get­ting war­rants.
In the abstract, there sounds like there might be some merit in that argu­ment, espe­cially con­sid­er­ing the impor­tance of speed in counter-​​terrorism work.
The prob­lem is that the FISA Court — the secret court set up to han­dle just such war­rant requests — is designed for speed. And it is known for being
extremely indul­gent of gov­ern­ment appli­ca­tions for war­rants…
It turns out that FISA specif­i­cally empow­ers the Attorney General or his designee to start wire­tap­ping on an emer­gency basis even with­out a war­rant so long as a retroac­tive appli­ca­tion is made for one “as soon as prac­ti­ca­ble, but not more than 72 hours after the Attorney General autho­rizes such sur­veil­lance.” (see spe­cific cita­tion, here)…
All of this, of course, is sep­a­rate from the issue of the pres­i­dent over­rul­ing a fed­eral statute by exec­u­tive order — some­thing that by def­i­n­i­tion a pres­i­dent can­not do. But some­thing seems fishy about the ratio­nale itself. 

But that’s not the only fishy thing here. In his radio address today, the President said:

The exis­tence of this secret pro­gram was revealed in media reports after being improp­erly pro­vided to news orga­ni­za­tions. As a result, our ene­mies have learned infor­ma­tion they should not have, and the unau­tho­rized dis­clo­sure of this effort dam­ages our national secu­rity and puts our cit­i­zens at risk. 

Which implies that, some­how, sus­pected jihadists might not have known before that the gov­ern­ment could be eaves­drop­ping on them. Realistically, what are the chances of that?
UPDATE 2:05 PM EST: Also, if the Administration thinks it basi­cally has the power to do what­ever it damn pleases — detain Americans indef­i­nitely, tor­ture ter­ror sus­pects, eaves­drop with­out a war­rant — then why bother push­ing for the Patriot Act? What do you need new laws for, if you’re already allowed to use every trick in the book?
UPDATE 12/​18/​05 AM: Ryan says the same thing, but bet­ter. And be sure to check out this WaPo page one analysis:

In his four-​​year cam­paign against al Qaeda, President Bush has turned the U.S. national secu­rity appa­ra­tus inward to secretly col­lect infor­ma­tion on American cit­i­zens on a scale unmatched since the intel­li­gence reforms of the 1970s.

UPDATE 12/​18/​05 PM: Be sure to check out Glenn Greenwald on whether or not these warant­less wire­taps were legal or not. (Hint: no.)

Were not talk­ing here about an uncon­vinc­ing or erro­neous legal argu­ment. This is some­thing dif­fer­ent entirely it is an argu­ment based upon a fun­da­men­tal mis­quot­ing of the law in ques­tion designed to make ille­gal behav­ior look legal.

(Big ups: Jeralyn)

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  1. rutty says:
    December 17, 2005 at 1:51 pm

    How else are we going to defend our­selves against suc­cess­ful intim­i­da­tion operations?

    Reply
  2. matt says:
    December 17, 2005 at 2:49 pm

    Who’s intim­i­da­tion oper­a­tions are you talk­ing about? The Presidents or our ene­mies. In fact, it’s get­ting harder to dis­tin­guish between just who is more dan­ger­ous; a rogue President, skirt­ing national and inter­na­tional law for his own dog­matic pur­suit or the ter­ror­ists, skirt­ing national and inter­na­tional law for their own dog­matic pur­suits.
    hmmm…

    Reply
  3. Byron Skinner says:
    December 17, 2005 at 3:55 pm

    Good Afternoon Folks,
    Allthough the above story has made head­lines the past 48 hours there is really noth­ing new here.
    Some of you lawyers please cor­rect me if I’m incor­rect on this, but under the Congressional man­date after 9/​11 exclud­ing the Patroit Act President Bush or the next President is act­ing with in the law. Congress gave the President a very broad author­ity to go after ter­ror­ists and President Bush is rightly using it.
    As to the NSA inter­cep­tion of com­mu­ni­ca­tions I believe that only includes tap­ping into domes­tic to domes­tic land lines only.
    Wireless mobile com­mu­ni­ca­tion is still the last I heard, con­sid­ered pub­lic air­ways and the Government can inter­cept any thing trans­mit­ted to include, voice, video, text and any other data.
    If Congress is really so out­raged about this let them pass leg­is­la­tion to deal with it. So far no one seems that upset.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

    Reply
  4. spacenookie says:
    December 17, 2005 at 5:17 pm

    Patriot act is a Justice Department/​FBI thing. The NSA spying/​torture/​detentions etc stuff is Department of Defense. You’ve got to remem­ber that there are sev­eral com­pet­ing bureau­cra­cies involved here.

    Reply
  5. Sarge says:
    December 17, 2005 at 7:38 pm

    PierreM
    As far as I’m con­cerned, this tears it. Josh Marshall says
    It turns out that FISA specif­i­cally empow­ers the Attorney General or his designee to start wire­tap­ping on an emer­gency basis even with­out a war­rant so long as a retroac­tive appli­ca­tion is made for one “as soon as prac­ti­ca­ble, but not more than 72 hours after the Attorney General autho­rizes such sur­veil­lance.” (see spe­cific cita­tion, here).
    “Timliness” was stated over and over again yes­ter­day by admin­is­tra­tion apol­o­gists as the rea­son that they could not take the time to apply to the FISA cout for per­mis­sion. That is obvi­ously crap. They sim­ply do not want to have to apply for per­mis­sion from FISA.
    As far as I’m con­cerned there is only one rea­son for that. They do not want FISA (who has only been known to deny per­mis­sion one time since its incep­tion) to find out who they are sur­veilling.
    Wanna guess why?
    Maybe we should ask John Bolton.
    http://​www​.tpm​cafe​.com/​s​t​o​r​y​/​2​0​0​5​/​1​2​/​1​6​/​1​4​2​6​2​0​/20

    Reply
  6. Sarge says:
    December 17, 2005 at 7:41 pm

    Yeah, the FBI is too busy has­sling stu­dents for check­ing out com­mie books:
    http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12–05/12–17-05/a09lo650.htm
    I feel so much safer with these Crooks & Liars in charge.

    Reply
  7. Benito says:
    December 17, 2005 at 7:50 pm

    Ah, I see George is tak­ing our advice by show­ing how strong he is by openly flaut­ing the law. Adolf and I did that too when our power was so com­pelte that we didn’t need the fig leaf off legal nicety to cover our actions.
    Oh, my guys wore black and Adolf’s brown. What color does George’s sup­port­ers wear?

    Reply
  8. Jesse Clark says:
    December 17, 2005 at 9:10 pm

    Why do you need new laws if you can ‘do what­ever you please’? Maybe because you actu­ally CAN’T do what­ever you please. Now that makes some log­i­cal sense.
    I would advise that the NY Times report be taken with a grain of salt. There is a whole lot of spec­u­la­tion out there, and very lit­tle of it actu­ally seems rea­son­able. Just because Bush defends it or can’t explain it doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea. Seriously, the guy couldn’t explain how to make a grilled cheese sand­which if he had to.
    As for the NSA inter­cepts, how is this news? The NSA has been in the SIGINT busi­ness for years, and the entire inter­na­tional ECHELON net­work inter­cepts roughly 3 bil­lion com­mu­ni­ca­tions every day. Don’t tell me that inno­cent pri­vate con­ver­sa­tions don’t end up in that total.

    Reply
  9. master sarge says:
    December 18, 2005 at 9:01 am

    Please post an author’s name with your opin­ion pieces. Anything else is unpro­fes­sional and unbe­com­ing of any web­site that wishes to be taken seriously.

    Reply
  10. Dan Sherman says:
    December 18, 2005 at 6:04 pm

    And here I thought all this time that defensetech​.org was for the defeat of mil­i­tant ter­ror­ists and under­stood that George Bush isn’t the boogy­man the lib­eral wacko world wants to believe he is.
    I was wrong… sorry, my bad.

    Reply
  11. Sarge says:
    December 18, 2005 at 6:19 pm

    I think we should be work­ing to defeat mil­i­tant ter­ror­ism Dan, I just wish the Cheney admin­is­tra­tion, excuse me the Bush admin­is­tra­tion, was doing some­thing about it.

    Reply

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