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By: Cliff

Cliff — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:28:50 +0000

I’m a Hog pilot (ex-Sandy) currently at Naval War College…writing my JMO paper on putting the “Joint” into Joint CSAR…would love any pointers or leads on articles covering JCSAR in OIF and/or today.

By: Edward Liu

Edward Liu — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:17:57 +0000

Anonymous: “Mr Axe needs to get all the facts before he throw stones at the people tasked to risk their lives to save others.“
I don’t think Axe was slamming the individual operators in CSAR for their troubles over the years. Based on his prior blog entries, I believe his loyalties lie first and foremost in the individual soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines in the front lines.
I don’t want to put words into Axe’s mouth, but looking over this article, I get the impression that the message being sent is that lack of strong support from USAF high command has often hampered the mission that you guys are tasked with. From what I’m led to believe, failures to understand and embrace the mission at senior leadership levels (both military and civilian) have plagued specialized and special-ops forces for decades.
On a personal note, to you and all the guys at CSAR: thank you for your service, and I hope you guys stay really, really bored but not because I think you can’t do the job.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:27:25 +0000

The Army still doesn’t have a serious answer for CSAR. Army aviation is expected to provide ‘internal’ CSAR capability, and local unit cross training with supported ground forces. The reality is that we have been lucky with Army aviation shootdowns. The Blackhawk down scenario went WELL compared to some of the things that could happen now, with large scale ooperations by conventional (not SOF) aviation operating over Iraqi cities, often without coordination with ground forces.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:56:54 +0000

The reason that CSAR forces were unable to retrieve the people Mr. Axe mentions is that we were woefully underfunded and equiped by ACC. If these people needed rescue today, CSAR would be first in line (and most capable) of rescueing them. There were many instances in Afghanistan and Iraq where CSAR was the most capable and successfully completed their mission. Under ACC we were struggled to get approval for unimproved airfild landing qualification, night vision aided landings, modified contour night flying and a whole host of other tactics. All of these proved effective and necessary in Afghanistan and Iraq. All of these are used by AFSOC and not understood by ACC. Mr Axe needs to get all the facts before he throw stones at the people tasked to risk their lives to save others. …That Others May Live.