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Home » Ammo and Munitions » Guns-​​B-​​Gone

Guns-​​B-​​Gone

Almost every­where they go in Iraq, American sol­diers find stacks of explo­sives and guns. According to one 2004 sur­vey, at least 7 mil­lion small arms — includ­ing AK-​​47 rifles, rocket launch­ers and mor­tar tubes, and more sophis­ti­cated arms like ground-​​to-​​air mis­siles — have fallen into the hands of Iraqi civil­ians since “Mission Accomplished” in 2003.
gun_melt.jpgU.S. troops would like to get rid of all of those weapons, as they find them. “However, the extremely large num­ber of both weapons and stor­age sites has ren­dered global secur­ing and destruc­tion of caches nearly impos­si­ble,” notes Darpa, the Pentagon’s way-​​out research arm.
What the agency wants to see instead: a non-​​toxic spray that can “pen­e­trate rapidly into the [weapon’s] active fir­ing and/​or actu­a­tion mech­a­nisms and ren­der them instantly and per­ma­nently inop­er­a­ble.”

The for­mu­la­tion will pro­duce an accel­er­ated cor­ro­sion (or other) reac­tion over a longer period of time (a few months or less), per­haps using the weapon mate­r­ial itself as a metal­lic cat­a­lyst, to destroy the weapon inter­nal struc­ture. The for­mu­la­tion must be effec­tive in small quan­ti­ties (i.e., a few grams per weapon), safe to use, sta­ble over the range of oper­a­tional temperature/​humidity con­di­tions, have a long shelf-​​life, be capa­ble of large-​​area dis­sem­i­na­tion, and pro­duce a non-​​toxic residue after the weapon is destroyed…
[The spray] must not be reversed by sim­ple chem­i­cal, ther­mal, or other means. Such a chem­i­cal sys­tem has the poten­tial to enable the sys­tem­atic and effec­tive removal of small arms from the battlespace.

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  1. Gandhi says:
    March 4, 2006 at 2:15 am

    and not inter­act with Depleted Uranium.…except to bind to it and ren­der it inert?

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  2. exclab says:
    March 4, 2006 at 11:08 am

    This is one of those things the Dolt in the White House for­got. Iraq is stud­ded with weapons depots set up by Saddam. Another ignored pen­ta­gon esti­mate said it would take 18 years to clean them all up. Bad news is a downer for the boy prince. Its going to take more than CLR’s smarter brother to clean it all up.

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  3. Zappa JPR Ma says:
    March 4, 2006 at 11:19 am

    Well i’m not too fond of weapons i have to admit, and of ter­ror­ists either, but some­how it seems unfait to me to destroy them all on such a scale. It would ren­der the iraqi peo­ple defence­less and they would be at the mercy of the US. How would the US feel if some­body dumped sev­eral thou­sand tons of this stuff in their atmos­phere and let their AR-​​15s and TEC-​​9s and what­ever they have,disintegrate?

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  4. John Whalen says:
    March 4, 2006 at 4:45 pm

    It sounds to me like the plan is to have this mate­r­ial pre­pared to dis­perse in an area where weapon stores are likely to exist, not to just specif­i­cally swab some of it on each weapon, which would prob­a­bly be pretty time con­sum­ing.
    If that’s the case, how do you make this mate­r­ial smart enough to not destroy ANYTHING made of sim­i­lar mate­ri­als? Do we want to place in use some mate­r­ial that’s going to destroy any­thing made of the same mate­ri­als as guns? I sure hope some­one has thought of this aspect of what oth­er­wise sounds like a pretty hare­brained idea.
    Maybe it would make more sense to come up with a for­mula which would ren­der the AMMUNITION inop­er­a­tive; some­thing that might attack the primer or car­tridge case, or prefer­ably the gun­pow­der, although the lat­ter would be tough, since it’s so well sealed inside the car­tridge case.
    This might be eas­ier to come up with, since most car­tridge cases are brass, and more sus­cep­ti­ble to cor­ro­sive agents. It’s also a lot softer than the steel alloys and com­pos­ites now used for firearms, so any cor­ro­sive intro­duced to the cop­per alloy mate­r­ial would prob­a­bly work a lot faster.

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  5. Brian says:
    March 5, 2006 at 8:29 pm

    Gandhi: Bind to DU and ren­der it inert? What are you talk­ing about? DU is inert. It’s just *dense* and *heavy*. That’s why we use it–it doesn’t deform like steel or tung­sten would. DU doesn’t react with any­thing. It’s just a big, tough, hunk of heavy stuff.
    Zappa: The Iraqi peo­ple are defense­less to the US mil­i­tary. We could kill them all, and they’d have zero defense. The prob­lem is, we don’t *want* to kill them all, which is why get­ting rid of lots of guns makes every­one safer.
    John: This stuff is gonna get sprayed on guns indi­vid­u­ally. It just means you can spray this stuff on it, and then you don’t have to worry about it after­wards. It saves loads of time when it comes to destroy­ing weapons caches. Keep it in a plas­tic bot­tle, and spray it on like Windex. Render the ammo inop­er­a­tive? There’s a much eas­ier way to get rid of ammo–give a cou­ple of GIs some guns, set them to full auto, and let them shoot it all off.

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  6. Joe Katzman says:
    March 6, 2006 at 12:01 pm

    This is dumb. The weapons they’re cap­tur­ing work well even with­out much main­te­nance, and future con­tin­gen­cies could make hav­ing a lot of weapons around very handy. Say, in case you want to dis­trib­ute them widely inside Iran to help over­throw the regime, before its wackos in chief ini­ti­ate a nuclear exchange to bring on the 12th Imam (chances are zero that they’re leav­ing power peace­fully). Or quickly equip friendly gov­ern­ments in future — some­thing that has been a prob­lem in Afghanistan.
    Ship out the weapons, store them in the USA, have them on hand when needed.

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  7. Brad says:
    March 6, 2006 at 1:22 pm

    Import them (firearms) into the US for Class 3 FFL hold­ers (since they’re prob­a­bly auto­matic weapons), thereby low­er­ing exist­ing prices. Class 3 deal­ers can buy them from the gov­ern­ment and resell them. Everybody wins!

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  8. Arthur Prime says:
    March 7, 2006 at 5:07 pm

    sounds like wish­ful think­ing, we are talk­ing mostly steel, use a ther­mite grenade, and dis­troy the tem­per of the metal.

    Reply
  9. Mastro says:
    March 10, 2006 at 1:00 pm

    Don’t see how a chem­i­cal that is that cor­ro­sive would be non-​​toxic.
    Might have bet­ter luck with some kind of Lock-​​tite glue or epoxy prod­uct.
    Again– the non-​​toxic issue sounds pie in the sky– I do RoHS (Restriction of Hazardous Substances) forms at my man­u­fac­tur­ing com­pany and there are a lot of chem­i­cals we use on th list. Anything with Chloride in it (like PVC– which is every­where) causes con­cern because it bonds with water and makes acid.
    This could end up as the Iraqi war’s Agent Orange.

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  10. oldgreek says:
    March 15, 2006 at 2:33 pm

    There is one sub­stance that I have an abun­dance of right here at home. It works almost overnight and ren­ders any metal mov­ing parts com­pletely use­less and cor­roded. I don’t know if it is toxic, but it is biodegrad­able. And what is this stuff? Cat piss. I’m sure that it could be syn­the­sized eas­ily. And a happy side effect is that a per­son won’t come close to any objects thus sprayed. But, every stray cat will stop and refresh the coating.

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