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Home » Axe in Iraq (and Elsewhere) » Everybody is E.O.D.

Everybody is E.O.D.

A short­age of Explosive Ordnance Disposal experts in Iraq means that engi­neers and infantry often end up tack­ling Improvised Explosive Devices them­selves.
marcbot.jpgNew equip­ment includ­ing tougher vehi­cles and sim­ple ground robots make this pos­si­ble, as I explain in an arti­cle in the April National Defense Magazine:
Armored vehi­cles orig­i­nally designed to clear mines are used to sweep roads of bombs. Patrols travel inside the pro­tec­tive bub­bles of sophis­ti­cated radio jam­mers that inter­cept the sig­nals that det­o­nate explo­sives. And engi­neers are refin­ing the use of small ground robots to iden­tify and destroy IEDs.
Read the entire arti­cle here.
– David Axe
UPDATE 9:49 AM: Noah here. As you can imag­ine, the guys who spend a year train­ing to become bomb squad tech­ni­cians aren’t exactly thrilled by the new­bies who think they han­dle their jobs, just because of a few new toys. This isn’t just a mat­ter of guard­ing turf (although there is some of that, for sure). There’s a pretty major safety issue involved here, too.
Quick exam­ple: a group of com­bat engi­neers near Baghdad were all fired up about their new, bomb-​​grabbing Buffalo armored vehi­cle, which they used to sift through road­side junk piles for IEDs. These guys would dig up an explo­sive with the Buffalo’s spindly claw. And then, they’d be so proud of what they found, they’d want to snap a quick pic­ture of their prize. So they’d use the claw to bring the bomb right up to the Buffalo’s cab. And then, the IED would go off. A bad thing, of course. And the kind of thing that hap­pens when folks aren’t prop­erly trained in bomb-​​handling.
_41479260_group_pa203_300.jpgUPDATE 10:07 AM: Of course, being an EOD pro doesn’t make you bomb-​​proof. In an inci­dent I barely missed, UK Captain Peter Norton lost a leg and part of an arm to an IED. Yesterday, he was awarded one of the British military’s high­est hon­ors, the George Cross. Only 21 oth­ers have received it since 1945. His cita­tion reads, in part:

“Captain Norton was the second-​​in-​​command of the US Combined Explosives Exploitation Cell (CEXC) based in the out­skirts of Baghdad. The unit has been in the fore­front of counter Improvised Explosive Device (IED) oper­a­tions and is plays a vital role in the col­lec­tion and analy­sis of weapons intel­li­gence.
At 1917 hours on 24 July 2005, a three vehi­cle patrol from B Company, 2nd Battalion, 121st Regiment of the Georgia National Guard was attacked by a mas­sive com­mand ini­ti­ated IED in the Al Bayaa dis­trict near Baghdad. The ensu­ing explo­sion resulted in the com­plete destruc­tion of a ‘Humvee’ patrol vehi­cle and the deaths of four US per­son­nel. Due to the sig­nif­i­cance of the attack, a team from CEXC, com­manded by Captain Norton, was tasked imme­di­ately to the scene. On arrival, Captain Norton was faced with a scene of car­nage and the inevitable con­fu­sion which is present in the after­math of such an inci­dent. He quickly took charge and ensured the safety of all the coali­tion forces present. A short while later he was briefed that a pos­si­ble com­mand wire had been spot­ted in the vicin­ity of the explo­sion site. With a com­plete under­stand­ing of the poten­tial haz­ard to him­self and know­ing that the insur­gents had used sec­ondary devices before in the par­tic­u­larly dan­ger­ous part of Iraq, Captain Norton instructed his team and the US forces present in the area to remain with their vehi­cle while he alone went for­ward to con­firm whether a com­mand wire IED was present.
A short while later, an explo­sion occurred and Captain Norton sus­tained a trau­matic ampu­ta­tion of his left leg and suf­fered seri­ous blast and frag­men­ta­tion injuries to his right leg, arms and lower abdomen. When his team came for­ward to ren­der first aid, he was con­scious, lucid and most con­cerned regard­ing their safety. He had cor­rectly deduced that he had stepped on a vic­tim oper­ated IED and there was a high prob­a­bil­ity that fur­ther devices were present. Before allow­ing them to ren­der first aid, he instructed his team on which areas were safe and where they could move. Despite hav­ing sus­tained griev­ous injuries he remained in com­mand and coolly directed the follow-​​up actions. It is typ­i­cal of the man that he ignored his injuries and regarded the safety of his men a para­mount as they admin­is­tered life sav­ing first aid to him. It is of note that a fur­ther device was found less than ten metres away and ren­dered safe the fol­low­ing day. Captain Norton’s pre­science and clear orders in the most dif­fi­cult cir­cum­stances undoubt­edly pre­vented fur­ther seri­ous injury or loss of life.

(Big ups: JQP, LB)

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  1. The Cenobyte says:
    March 24, 2006 at 10:11 am

    I know this has been talked about here before but while EOD is great it can some­times take hours for some­one to just show up and tell them weather it’s a bomb or not. Robots and even toys (As some of my friends I sent RC trucks to in Iraq have found) can help fig­ure weather or not it’s lik­ley to be a bomb. I have great sto­ries of my RC cars being use to hit boxes and paper bags that turn out to be empty. I sus­pect that they saved hun­dreds and hun­dreds of man hours this way.

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  2. Jim Mac says:
    March 24, 2006 at 3:22 pm

    I would love to know what the true casu­alty rate is from peo­ple play­ing EOD. I under­stand that it is rough to wait on EOD, but it is bet­ter than get­ting your­self or your sol­dier killed or wounded. The prob­lem with peo­ple play­ing EOD is idiot’s never die alone!

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  3. beau says:
    March 25, 2006 at 4:45 pm

    Stories about non-​​eod per­son­nel (mostly engi­neers) try­ing their luck at dis­arm­ing IEDs usu­ally play out like Darwin Awards. But my per­sonal opin­ion is let peo­ple do what they want as long as they only kill them­self, could save and expen­sive eod soldier’s life.

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  4. Jeremy Pye says:
    October 17, 2006 at 2:58 pm

    First I would like to start off by express­ing how dis­ap­pointed I am that MILITARY​.COM would be post­ing some of the infor­ma­tion that it does. Discussing still clas­si­fied infor­ma­tion con­cern­ing our TTP’s (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures) and insur­gent TTP’s is mind bog­gling and irre­spon­si­ble!
    Second, I would like to explain that being in EOD encom­passes MUCH more than the IED mis­sion in the AOR (Area of Responsibility). Being trained to Render Safe Conventional Ordnance, WMD’s, Nukes, and work­ing hand in hand with the Secret Service to pro­vide pro­tec­tion to the US President are some of the other respon­si­bil­i­ties that we have. The tech­ni­cal train­ing elim­i­nates approx­i­mately 66% of the peo­ple who attempt to become an EOD tech. So it is no won­der that the EOD com­mu­nity is dis­gusted at the sug­ges­tion that “Everyone is EOD”. It does not take a genius to drive a bomb bot down to and IED and det­o­nate it. In fact, I am cer­tain that a child who plays video games could do it bet­ter than most.
    Lastly, it is true that EOD is stretched very thin at the time there­fore I believe it is good for Engineers to obtain these new toys. AS LONG AS THEY DON’T OVERSTEP THEIR BOUNDS BOTH IN TECHNICAL CAPABILITY AND MAKING A CLAIM TO BE EOD! Engineers mak­ing dar­ing choices as opposed to wait­ing for the pro­fes­sion­als is a dis­ser­vice to them­selves and the oth­ers that they hurt/​kill in the process.

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  5. A True EOD tech says:
    October 17, 2006 at 3:49 pm

    I want to start this com­ment by say­ing that before I read the arti­cle I was com­pletely appalled by the title. Let me make some­thing very clear to all the “wish” I could be EOD peo­ple out there that are doing oper­a­tions that they shouldnt be, NO ONE IS CONSIDERED EOD UNTIL THEY HAVE EARNED THE HIGHLY RESPECTED CRAB.
    In the arti­cle it states that there is a short­age of EOD techs in Iraq. This is true because EOD train­ing is much more com­plex than many other career fields, so of course we are going to be a lit­tle short on HIGHLY TRAINED TECHS. EOD tech­ni­cians go through more train­ing than any­one can imag­ine. Just because you see an IED on the road or have seen the movie

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  6. Master Blaster says:
    October 20, 2006 at 3:31 pm

    Why would some­one who has not a clue about the work­ings of Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) even con­sider attempt­ing to approach it much less try to ren­der it safe? That per­son would have to be a com­plete moron. Any attempt to neu­tral­ize the IED puts that indi­vid­ual and any who fol­low that indi­vid­u­als lead in jeopardy

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  7. Will Pratt says:
    November 1, 2006 at 5:52 pm

    My time in EOD was pre-​​robots and bomb suits. Probably because of this the num­ber of folks that wanted to try our job or claim to be EOD was pretty small. However we did see it occa­sion­ally from the chem­i­cal folks in tech escort. Somehow they would occa­sion­ally get the idea that talk­ing to an EOD oper­a­tor was the same as being trained. This is much akin to the belief that hav­ing a drink with a Navy Diver qual­i­fies you to strap on a MK16 and go for a swim.
    However the folks wear­ing that crab today are as much advanced over what I knew as are the devices they are RSP’ng.
    Just because you can shoot does not make you a sniper…same for EOD. It is a com­bi­na­tion of train­ing and hav­ing the right mind set to com­plete that train­ing. It is a lot like BUDS (not phys­i­cally) in that you had bet­ter mea­sure up atti­tude wise or your gone.
    Combat engi­neers have always done a great job with the explo­sives they are trained to han­dle and no one should take any­thing away from them.
    One of the great human­i­tar­ian ser­vices pro­vided by America is the dem­i­ning train­ing cen­ter oper­ated by the U.S. Army Engineers.
    I com­pletely agree with com­ments about post­ing clas­si­fied info…in my time they were called RSP’s but it sounds like some idiot posted the same type of thing. There is only one com­ment I can think of that is any­where near appro­pri­ate, “Have you lost your f*cking mind?“
    Oh yeah…these com­ments are of course my own opin­ion and if they pissed you off then we now have some­thing in com­mon.
    Sincerely,
    Will Pratt

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  8. Swimmer says:
    November 3, 2006 at 9:49 am

    I love that EOD is upset about this. EOD is above them selfs. Grag your gear and go out on a patrol. stop wait­ing to be called. we all know that your train­ing is long and the mil­i­tary dosen’t like to waste money, so they send out CE out ins­tend of you. These young kids are just try­ing to do the best job and come home alive.
    EOD still rocks!!!! I call on EOD all the time. but we all take order’s and these units are just doing that.
    remem­ber this is a Leadership prob­lem.
    B12 sap­per and up.

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  9. Rick says:
    March 6, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    When I got my crab in 1967 things were a lot dif­fer­ent than today but it still took some­one with spe­cial qual­i­ties to get through EOD train­ing. I saw many good soilders with the aca­d­e­mic abil­ity to pass but lacked the nerves it took to do the actual job. The mil­i­tary can lower the stan­dards to recruite but the stan­dards for EOD per­son­nel Will only go up with todays tech­nol­ogy.
    Usually you only get one mis­take in this job. It’s com­plete suc­cess or absolute fail­ure and you have to have a com­plete and absolute trust in your team mates and thats what it takes to be EOD.

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  10. Crab says:
    March 16, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    Swimmer, the arti­cle says there is a crit­i­cal short­age of EOD tech­ni­cians. What would be accom­plished by hav­ing EOD ride out with reg­u­lar patrols? While road­side bombs and ord­nance finds aren’t rare, that doesn’t mean that every patrol finds some. Quite the con­trary; only a tiny frac­tion of patrols find any­thing that would call for an EOD team. Having an EOD team with every patrol might feel like a great idea to you, but it would mean that the rest of the area has one less team to respond to areas where IEDs have been found. Put another team or two out with another patrol, and you may be com­pletely deny­ing EOD sup­port to the rest of your area. I don’t know how many EOD teams there are in Iraq, but I’ll bet there are a lot more patrols out on a daily basis.
    Your sug­ges­tion that EOD tech­ni­cians grab their gear and roll out reflects frus­tra­tion and impa­tience. Your enemy wants you to get frus­trated, because when you start let­ting your impa­tience drive your deci­sions, you’re going to make mis­takes that your enemy can exploit.
    You sug­gest that your lead­er­ship is order­ing peo­ple to play at being EOD. I advise you to do some home­work and find out what the stand­ing orders of your higher units are when it comes to sus­pi­cious items, road­side bombs, and ord­nance. If your cap­tain, LT, or sergeant orders you to do some­thing that is against the stand­ing orders of your bat­tal­ion, brigade, divi­sion, or corps, that is an unlaw­ful order.
    We all want every­one to come home alive. If you’re frus­trated with the EOD sup­port you get, you can always try talk­ing to them. If you under­stand how EOD response works, you might be able to find ways to speed things up from your end.

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  11. Smith says:
    June 7, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    I was the medic assigned to the Platoon that was involved in the inci­dent that CPT Norton was sent to inves­ti­gate. The award and the cita­tion directly reflect his heroic actions on that unfor­getable day.

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  12. Les says:
    August 2, 2007 at 1:11 am

    Hey they can do any­thing they want.… once.

    Reply
  13. selahattin says:
    May 13, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    hello

    Reply
  14. Skykrab says:
    December 19, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    As a recently USN EOD (Ret)and as some­one who was there in CEXC (03–04, 05) and knew Cap’n Pete. I can tell you that even EOD Techs are mor­tal (even really good ones). I think the real point is while actu­ally plac­ing a “drop charge” or other seem­ingly sim­ple task to counter charge/​disrupt/​etc… is not rocket surgery, how­ever the deci­sions that leads up to what­ever TTP is per­formed is not done by rigid doc­trine, or hap haz­ard decision…it is a result of the sit­u­a­tion. A lot of these sit­u­a­tions involve show­ing up on site only to be informed the sce­nario is 180 out, and your being sniped or rock­eted while you recal­i­brate your ini­tial plan and exe­cute in about 30 sec. Would you use the same TTP’s in the US or some other AOR. Not if your EOD. Anyone can blow stuff up…try pre­vent­ing some­thing from blow­ing up that was designed specif­i­cally to do just that… Protection of PERSONEL and Property is the mis­sion! Yes in that order. We all have our own jobs/​responsibilities and they are all impor­tant and we are all spe­cial. I won’t do yours, don’t do mine. My $.02 Peace!

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  15. phillip saunders says:
    September 25, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    i was stand­ing about 15 feet away from this cap­tain when the bomb went off. altho he did do alot of what was stated in this story, it isnt exactly true. my team ren­dered first aid to him. i walked him up to the crater where the first ied went off and took the lives of 4 of my com­rades.
    SSG Saunders
    B Co 2/​121 Inf

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