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Home » Planes, Copters, Blimps » Eagles Forever

Eagles Forever

With F-​​22 pro­duc­tion slashed to just 180 from the 380 the Air Force says it needs, the ser­vice is scram­bling to fig­ure out how to fill the gap.
The prob­lem is that the cur­rent air supe­ri­or­ity force of F-​​15C Eagles num­bers more than 300 jets. To keep watch over the U.S. and South Korea plus pro­vide enough jets for con­ti­gen­cies, the Air Force is going to have to fly some of its Eagles longer than expected.
f15c.JPGConsidering that the last C-​​model Eagle rolled off McDonnell Douglas’ St. Louis pro­duc­tion line 20 years ago and that the last major update was the Multi-​​Stage Improvement Program (MSIP) in the mid-​​90s, main­tain­ing the F-​​15C is going to require struc­tural mods and upgrades.
Aviation Week explains:
A roadmap of options for the remain­ing F-​​15Cs and Strike Eagles is nearly com­plete, [accord­ing to Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael “Buzz” Moseley]. That doc­u­ment is expected to out­line needed upgrades, such as active elec­tron­i­cally scanned array (AESA) radars, for some F-​​15Cs that would allow them to detect cruise mis­siles. Raytheon offi­cials have been pitch­ing upgrades to the exist­ing radars as well as new sys­tems for the F-​​15.

Some folks in the Air Force fig­ure, Hey, if we’re going to tear these jets apart for major surgery, why not give them a ground-​​attack capa­bil­ity while we’re at it? The idea is to turn old Eagles into ‘Raptor Lites’ (my term, not the Air Force’s).
Aviation Week outed this plan in its infancy as far back as 2004:
To pro­vide a “bridge” to the F/A-22’s ground-​​attack capa­bil­ity, [then-​​Air Force Secretary James] Roche said the Air Force is con­sid­er­ing upgrad­ing part of its F-​​15C Eagle fleet to give the air-​​to-​​air fighter an improved ground-​​attack capa­bil­ity. Unlike the newer F-​​15E Strike Eagle, which per­forms air-​​to-​​ground as well as air-​​to-​​air mis­sions, the F-​​15C Eagle saw lit­tle action in Iraq because there was almost no air-​​to-​​air com­bat.
“We found in the last con­flict that we had C’s fly­ing around look­ing for Saddam Hussein’s air­planes which never flew,” he said. “Effectively, the C’s were tak­ing up ramp space.“
The Air Force is look­ing at adding weapons and improv­ing the radars on some of its F-​​15Cs so they could do air-​​to-​​ground mis­sions in future con­flicts. The upgraded F-​​15Cs might be called “Golden Eagles.“

Air Force Times says as many as 200 F-​​15s could receive the modifications.

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  1. hebba says:
    April 20, 2006 at 12:17 pm

    the first arti­cle is from 2004 …

    Reply
  2. DS says:
    April 20, 2006 at 1:47 pm

    Well, the way I look at it, if the F-​​22 is going to be able to replace the F-​​117 at cer­tain Air Force Bases (which has been announced else­where), that means it’s capa­bil­i­ties are higher, which means you don’t need as many. No big deal if you don’t get as many ‘magic bul­lets’. The F-​​15 is an awe­some per­former, and it’d be a shame to over­look it in favor of new, ‘whiz-​​bang’ tech­nol­ogy demon­stra­tors. Hell…give those F-15’s a RAM paintjob, improved radar, and arm it with some AGM-129’s, and you’re in business.

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  3. Byron Skinner says:
    April 20, 2006 at 2:11 pm

    Good Morning Folks,
    Before we start find­ing a new mis­sion for the F-​​15C con­sid­er­a­tion should be given to fix­ing the struc­tural flaw in the air frame that has restriced the F-​​15C from being “all it can be”.
    This was addressed a year ago and found to be to expen­sive by the Air Force. I guess now it’s back the tra­di­tion of mak­ing once hot fight­ers ground attack in there ol’ age.
    Oh well what was to expen­sive in 2005 is a bud­get item in 2006, unless of course the Air Force decides not to address the prob­lem and let the attack pilots ride around in fly­ing coffins, they wouldn’t do that now would they?
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner
    “Stewart’s Platoon”

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  4. JSAllison says:
    April 21, 2006 at 9:49 am

    Gee, so now that it’s become appar­ent that they’re not going to get all the pointy nosed sin­gle seat super­cruisin wun­der­waf­fen on their crit­i­cal need gotta have it or we’re all doomed, doomed I tell you list it comes out that well, per­haps maybe we can upgrade some F15s after all, shucks whoda thunk it? I guess when it starts to become a choice between fly­ing ‘mature’ air­frames or becom­ing UCAV oper­a­tors, things start com­ing into focus…

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  5. Mark says:
    August 15, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    it not like the F-​​15s are bad planes for fight­ing. one acci­dent in Israel an F-​​15 hit another plane and lost a wing in a train­ing acci­dent and the train­ing pilot man­aged to land the plane at a near by land­ing strip. so they can take dam­age and still live.

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  6. Bill Ribblett says:
    October 20, 2006 at 12:02 am

    Let’s buy about a cou­ple hun­dred more F-​​22s to fill our air-​​to– air needs and turn all the
    f-​​15s into attack jets. With the USA sell­ing
    f-​​15s to coun­tries like Saudi Arabia, we may need the f-22’s to fight them some­day.
    P/​S If the us gov­er­ment wants to put a box on my w-​​4 form to give an addi­tional $10 -$20 a week out of my pay check for an f-​​22 fund , I will put a check in the box!!!

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  7. Bill says:
    July 13, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    Let’s can the F-​​22 and F-​​35 and spend the money on upgrades the F-​​15 fleet and A-​​10 fleet.
    Maybe Boeing could develop an FA-​​18 E/​F for the Air Force.
    This would be rem­i­nis­cent of the F-​​4 Program

    Reply
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    Well, the way I look at it, if the F-​​22 is going to be able to replace the F-​​117 at cer­tain Air Force Bases (which has been announced else­where), that means it’s capa­bil­i­ties are higher, which means you don’t need as many.

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