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Home » Cammo Green » Hybrid reality check

Hybrid reality check

Despite 15 years devel­op­ment that has pro­duced more than 30 dif­fer­ent demon­stra­tors and despite a lot of hype lately, mil­i­tary diesel-​​electric hybrids are no closer to mass pro­duc­tion than they were five years ago. “Right now we don’t have a hybrid-​​electric vehi­cle tar­get­ing field­ing,” says Gus Khalil, direc­tor of the Army’s hybrid research.
ShadowRSTV_5.jpgThe rea­sons are many. Despite advan­tages includ­ing mod­est fuel sav­ings, power export capa­bil­ity, design scal­a­bil­ity and flex­i­ble inter­nal lay­out, hybrids are sim­ply too expen­sive, too heavy and too frag­ile for mil­i­tary ser­vice. Batteries — or, alter­nately, capac­i­tors — are par­tic­u­larly prob­lem­atic: they’re unsta­ble, finnicky in extreme weather and present enor­mous safety and logis­ti­cal chal­lenges.
In recent weeks, I’ve talked to hybrid pro­grams man­agers at all the major U.S. mil­i­tary vehi­cle man­u­fac­tur­ers. They all main­tain the same line: hybrids are very promis­ing, they say, but more work is needed.
Khalil says that the first mass-​​produced mil­i­tary hybrids will most likely be vehi­cles in the Future Combat Systems fam­ily, which should enter pro­duc­tion around 2010. In the mean­time, expect demon­stra­tors like the HEMTT A3, RST-​​V (pic­tured) and hybrid Humvee to remain just that — demon­stra­tors.
–David Axe
P.S. Publishers Weekly just reviewed my graphic novel War Fix!
UPDATE 8:58 AM: Noah here. I’ve been told by a high-​​level Army gen­eral who worked the hybrid prob­lem for years that the prob­lems which Axe details above can be over­come. But there’s an even big­ger bar­rier to the new vehi­cles: Detroit. American auto– and truck-​​makers still aren’t com­mit­ted to mass-​​producing hybrids on the level that the Army needs, the General said. (Look at their reluc­tance to make com­mer­cial hybrids.) Without their buy-​​in, the Army won’t have hybrids for a long, long time.

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  1. Ben says:
    May 4, 2006 at 10:11 am

    Hummer, Schmummer—
    The Germans already have two no! three hydro­gen pow­ered sub­marines and are work­ing on another one.
    http://​www​.fuel​cellsworks​.com/​S​u​p​p​p​a​g​e​5​0​3​3​.​h​tml

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  2. Moose says:
    May 4, 2006 at 1:17 pm

    The German subs don’t have to worry (as much) about com­pact­ness. Even on smaller European SSKs there’s more than enough room for the industrial-​​size Fuel Cells they use.
    I have to agree with the good General, GM and DCX espe­cially are drag­ging their feet on Hybrids. DCX has been exper­i­ment­ing with FCVs for years, but they’ve some­what neglected Hybrids. GM had that skate-​​board chas­sis con­cpet car that every­one talked about a cou­ple years ago, but they still aren’t field­ing any com­mer­cial hybrids. Of the Big Three, only Ford is seri­ously field­ing Hybrids and work­ing to expand their offer­ings. And while they’re well ahead of the oth­ers, Ford is still far behind where they could be.

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  3. Charles says:
    May 4, 2006 at 6:46 pm

    Sounds like com­ments mir­rored in the last hybrid entry:
    http://​www​.defensetech​.org/​a​r​c​h​i​v​e​s​/​0​0​2​3​3​8​.​h​t​m​l​#​c​o​m​m​e​nts
    Besides, the only thing that keeps Detroit from jump­ing into hybrids for the USGov is fund­ing for R&D and per­ceived lack of neces­sity. Tanks remained stag­nant between WW1 and WW2, and within a few years of the war’s com­mence­ment the Germans began pro­duc­ing sixty ton tanks with a 75 or a 88, pre­vi­ously towed weapons now mobile and heav­ily armored.
    Going fur­ther back, the indus­trial prin­ci­ple of stan­dard­ized parts can be applied to weapons. Eli Whitney was told to develop tech­niques for stan­dard­ized weapons pro­duc­tion by the gov­ern­ment.
    Nobody in any other indus­try had ever thought of the idea, appar­ently. Muskets were cus­tom made one at a time, each part fit­ted with every other part dif­fer­en­tially. Whitney devel­oped the mech­a­nisms for stan­dard­ized parts, which made mass pro­duc­tion pos­si­ble in the future. Without the gov­ern­ment behind him, it’s unlikely any­one else would have made a try at it.

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  4. Dennis says:
    May 5, 2006 at 1:45 pm

    Just apply pres­sure! What do you think Detroit would do if we ordered 150 Hybrid RST-V’s from Toyota. Congress would prob­a­bly never let it hap­pen, using national secu­rity as their excuse. Toyota could make it hap­pen in a timely man­ner with very lit­tle R&D seed money. I’m sure they could evolve their tech­nol­ogy using their own R&D fund­ing to come up with a solu­tion that would meet our defense require­ments and give them a healthy ROI. US con­trac­tors are too short-​​sighted. We have cre­ated a cul­ture where we are focused on short-​​term pay­offs, and our con­tracts incen­tivise this behavior.

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  5. Gab says:
    May 5, 2006 at 5:45 pm

    Aren’t the FCS line of manned vehi­cles Hybrid pow­ered (whether tur­bine or otherwise)?

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  6. Charles says:
    May 9, 2006 at 9:25 am

    Or maybe pro­duc­tion of bat­ter­ies is short, just like American refin­ing capacity’s been short for so many years..

    Reply
  7. Art says:
    May 9, 2006 at 10:29 pm

    The FCS ground vehi­cles devel­op­ment is a total mess. The whole pro­gram is stuck in a require­ments night­mare which has been going on for 4 years and there is no end in sight. The recent Government Accounting Office report also shows the pro­gram is a tech­ni­log­i­cal dis­as­ter with very few of the tech­nolo­gies needed actu­ally being mature enough to used in the sys­tem design. Boeing is really mak­ing some ter­ri­ble deci­sions here, and GD is drag­ging its feet as they really don’t want the pro­gram to suceed (GD bid on the pro­gram and lost). GD has their fin­gers in every vehi­cles, every com­puter, and every FCS radios — great eh? I’ve also heard the price tag on an FCS ground vehi­cle is insanely high, so high that the Army will never be able to afford to buy that many. This pro­gram will be can­celled — just a mat­ter of time.

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  8. rappelz money says:
    August 2, 2008 at 2:27 am

    The real­ity life is dif­fer­ent from the game life. In the game, you can find warm, when you have dif­fer­ent they can come to help you all. I also remem­bered once my num­ber was stolen, although I find later, but my things were lost all. At that time, they gave me a lot of rap­pelz money to buy things, I was touched. I love you, Rappelz, the same as I love my hus­band; I have half a mind you.

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  9. shaiya money says:
    August 9, 2008 at 3:35 am

    Your increased stat and skill points here will make your char­ac­ter the most pow­er­ful pos­si­ble: 9 Stat points and 5 Skill points per level. You can use Shaiya money all items in the game, includ­ing the dev­as­tat­ing Goddess weapons. However, this power comes at a cost: if your char­ac­ter dies, you have only 3 min­utes to be res­ur­rected or your char­ac­ter is deleted and you must start all over.

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  10. Birkita says:
    July 11, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Hi guys. Cheese — milk’s leap toward immor­tal­ity.
    I am from Bahrain and know bad English, give please true I wrote the fol­low­ing sen­tence: “Dermal fillers take care of exces­sive sweat­ing.“
    Thanks for the help :-) , Birkita.

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