Comments on: Who Killed the Killer Drone — and Why? http://defensetech.org/2006/05/08/who-killed-the-killer-drone-and-why/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 25 May 2012 00:56:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Samantha Cooper http://defensetech.org/2006/05/08/who-killed-the-killer-drone-and-why/#comment-262895 Samantha Cooper Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:34:08 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3201#comment-262895 Excellent post. Thank you for sharing your opinion. <a href="http://seniorsafety.com" rel="nofollow">medical alert</a> Excellent post. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

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]]> By: shawn http://defensetech.org/2006/05/08/who-killed-the-killer-drone-and-why/#comment-129757 shawn Thu, 18 May 2006 04:40:34 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3201#comment-129757 Not too sure I buy the argument that the USAF is dead set against unmanned attack platforms. Sure rated guys don't like the idea of machines doing a man's job, but in the end, the capabilities will win out. Case in point: the AF is on the fast track to buying the hellfire armed MPQ version of the predator. Works great in a permissive enviromen, no? The great promise of the UCAV is possible end to the Jesse Jackson syndrome when a limited strike against a national IADS. Limited a-strikes are great, but if the bad guys knock one down and SAR efforts fail, whatcha gonna do?? The UCAV should have been seen as a niche system giving the warfighter a more persistent option than just lobbing a few cruise missiles. Hope they bring it back and quickly. One afterthought, I'd bet the decision was based on $$$$ and priorities rather than pilot egos. The AF has changed alot... There are plenty of more mature systems now that need cash. Not too sure I buy the argument that the USAF is dead set against unmanned attack platforms. Sure rated guys don’t like the idea of machines doing a man’s job, but in the end, the capabilities will win out. Case in point: the AF is on the fast track to buying the hellfire armed MPQ version of the predator. Works great in a permissive enviromen, no? The great promise of the UCAV is possible end to the Jesse Jackson syndrome when a limited strike against a national IADS. Limited a-strikes are great, but if the bad guys knock one down and SAR efforts fail, whatcha gonna do?? The UCAV should have been seen as a niche system giving the warfighter a more persistent option than just lobbing a few cruise missiles. Hope they bring it back and quickly.
One afterthought, I’d bet the decision was based on $$$$ and priorities rather than pilot egos. The AF has changed alot… There are plenty of more mature systems now that need cash.

]]> By: Joe Bullard http://defensetech.org/2006/05/08/who-killed-the-killer-drone-and-why/#comment-129756 Joe Bullard Thu, 11 May 2006 23:40:38 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3201#comment-129756 While all of you make valid points, the visceral nature of some of the exchanges tends to cloud up the reality of the debates. To wit: There are a lot of officers who I (a retired NCO)know to be "ticket punchers". The breed is the same as written about by the late Colonel Hackworth. Having said that, however, I do proudly acknowledge having served under some absolutely fabulous officers at any rank.My son, an Army Mechanized Infantry NCO on his second tour in Irag recently told me of his private counseling of a young 2Lt to get the kid squared away and into the frame of mind appropriate to commanding infantry troops in combat. The point to all this is pretty strait forward. So much so that often times the senior officers (in and out) sometimes tend to forget that nobody goes to war alone and no branch of the service wins a war. Everybody brings something to the fight and everybody shares in the victories, the losses, the honor and insult. The Air Force believes very strongly in manned aircraft in combat because the war is fought by warriors. The track record tends to support their views. Their decisions, however, regarding the A-10 were seriously flawed in the opinion of this old veteran who worries about sufficient support for his only son in the hell of war (this is its own hell). The Navy has a different perspective. The Navy has a different mission. Comparing one with the other seems to me to expose a fundamental ignorance of the reality that our military must be able to dominate in every environment where combat can occur. That's why we have different services. We do need to get more efficient on mutual support and demand better and more efficient performance from those who command the various services. We're seeing a lot of duplication and pointless rivalry that we have neither the money nor the inclination to support. Yeah, there's a lot of "pork-barreling" and a lot of erstwhile leaders who are dedicated only to signing off on things that are most advantageous to their own future. High tech weapons systems programs always bear the brunt of that vulnerability and as such must bear the closest scrutiny. We have to take a hard look at procurement for the sake of procurement. We have to ask just how much is necessary. We have to look at the reality of understanding the nature of warfare and understand that wars are won by properly equipped and trained warriors doing the things that most people either can't or won't do. Properly lead, they are capable of incredible valor. Improperly lead they are capable of unspeakable depravity. They are the most dangerous weapon in any nation's arsenal: They are human. That leadership must prevail from stars to stripes. We One thing that is evident in this is that there are a lot of people who are watching. There are a lot of us who are willing to pursue the derelicts should their decisions lead to the unnecessary deaths of our warriors, complications to our nation and frivolous expenditures. Okay, that's my two bits. While all of you make valid points, the visceral nature of some of the exchanges tends to cloud up the reality of the debates. To wit: There are a lot of officers who I (a retired NCO)know to be “ticket punchers”. The breed is the same as written about by the late Colonel Hackworth. Having said that, however, I do proudly acknowledge having served under some absolutely fabulous officers at any rank.My son, an Army Mechanized Infantry NCO on his second tour in Irag recently told me of his private counseling of a young 2Lt to get the kid squared away and into the frame of mind appropriate to commanding infantry troops in combat.
The point to all this is pretty strait forward. So much so that often times the senior officers (in and out) sometimes tend to forget that nobody goes to war alone and no branch of the service wins a war. Everybody brings something to the fight and everybody shares in the victories, the losses, the honor and insult.
The Air Force believes very strongly in manned aircraft in combat because the war is fought by warriors. The track record tends to support their views. Their decisions, however, regarding the A-10 were seriously flawed in the opinion of this old veteran who worries about sufficient support for his only son in the hell of war (this is its own hell).
The Navy has a different perspective. The Navy has a different mission. Comparing one with the other seems to me to expose a fundamental ignorance of the reality that our military must be able to dominate in every environment where combat can occur. That’s why we have different services. We do need to get more efficient on mutual support and demand better and more efficient performance from those who command the various services. We’re seeing a lot of duplication and pointless rivalry that we have neither the money nor the inclination to support.
Yeah, there’s a lot of “pork-barreling” and a lot of erstwhile leaders who are dedicated only to signing off on things that are most advantageous to their own future. High tech weapons systems programs always bear the brunt of that vulnerability and as such must bear the closest scrutiny. We have to take a hard look at procurement for the sake of procurement. We have to ask just how much is necessary. We have to look at the reality of understanding the nature of warfare and understand that wars are won by properly equipped and trained warriors doing the things that most people either can’t or won’t do. Properly lead, they are capable of incredible valor. Improperly lead they are capable of unspeakable depravity. They are the most dangerous weapon in any nation’s arsenal: They are human. That leadership must prevail from stars to stripes.
We One thing that is evident in this is that there are a lot of people who are watching. There are a lot of us who are willing to pursue the derelicts should their decisions lead to the unnecessary deaths of our warriors, complications to our nation and frivolous expenditures.
Okay, that’s my two bits.

]]> By: Steve B http://defensetech.org/2006/05/08/who-killed-the-killer-drone-and-why/#comment-129755 Steve B Thu, 11 May 2006 18:09:12 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3201#comment-129755 The Air Force, by breaking off and pursuing a UAV that is long-range, has long loiter capability, and carry a large payload, will increase the size of their plane to the point that it will increase the size and cross-section of the UAV at least to the equivalent of their JSF, and almost definately beyond. With the increased size making acquisition/tracking of it easier than the JSF, and not having trained pilots to give more depth to alternatives/reactions to a SAM/AAM launch against it, it will drop below the JSF for survivability statistics, and thus bring about the result the USAF brass wants. I have to agree with John S. This sounds just like them. The Air Force, by breaking off and pursuing a UAV that is long-range, has long loiter capability, and carry a large payload, will increase the size of their plane to the point that it will increase the size and cross-section of the UAV at least to the equivalent of their JSF, and almost definately beyond. With the increased size making acquisition/tracking of it easier than the JSF, and not having trained pilots to give more depth to alternatives/reactions to a SAM/AAM launch against it, it will drop below the JSF for survivability statistics, and thus bring about the result the USAF brass wants.
I have to agree with John S. This sounds just like them.

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