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Home » Bizarro » “Imaginary Weapons,” Whole Lotta Fun

“Imaginary Weapons,” Whole Lotta Fun

In the fall of 2003, defense indus­try reporter Sharon Weinberger was sit­ting through yet another Capitol Hill brief­ing on Pentagon weaponry, when a fel­low in the back of the room men­tioned some­thing called a “hafnium bomb.” Weinberger had never heard of it. So she turned around and asked the guy what the hell a hafnium bomb was.
imag_weapons.jpgThe ques­tion started Weinberger on a two-​​year “jour­ney through the Pentagon’s sci­en­tific under­ground.” By the time she was done, Weinberger had run into eaves­drop­ping kit­tens, worm­hole builders, anti­mat­ter rock­e­teers, psy­chic CIA agents, intel­li­gent desig­nists, and cold fusion true believ­ers. But most impor­tantly, she became deeply inter­twined with a far-​​flung coali­tion of Defense Department-​​backed sci­en­tists who believed that they could con­struct nuclear hand grenades out of bits of the radioac­tive iso­tope hafnium-​​178 — despite moun­tains of evi­dence to the con­trary. It’s all chron­i­cled in Weinberger’s fas­ci­nat­ing, dis­turb­ing, wickedly funny new book, Imaginary Weapons.
Weinberger’s story cen­ters around Carl Collins, a Texas sci­en­tist turned nuclear Don Quixote, who con­vinces Pentagon and Energy Department offi­cials to spend mil­lions on his jousts with the laws of physics. The fact his windmill-​​tilting relies on a second-​​hand X-​​ray machine, taken from a dentist’s office, doesn’t seem to mat­ter. Or that his Romanian wife has a sketchy choke-​​hold over the hafnium sup­ply. Or that every sci­en­tific panel the Pentagon assem­bles calls Collins’ work bunk. Or that no rep­utable physi­cist can repli­cate his hafnium exper­i­ments.
Luckily for Collins, “no one remem­bers the fail­ure,” Weinberger quotes Darpa chief Tony Tether as say­ing. “That allows us to try again and again Darpa is Groundhog Day. We do things over and over again.” For years, it seems, Tether and oth­ers in Defense Department woke up every morn­ing con­vinced that the Russians were about to have a hafnium bomb. It took a near-​​Herculean effort to finally per­suade them that it might not be true.
In the book and over the next few days, in a series of exclu­sive posts for Defense Tech Weinberger shows how dan­ger­ous the amne­siac atti­tude is for the nation’s secu­rity. But God, is it good for read­ers. Weinberger is a mas­ter observer, cap­tur­ing the sights and sounds sur­round­ing the inanity and near-​​insanity of mil­i­tary fringe sci­ence, from the puffed-​​up research claims to the hushed denials, based on ques­tion­able secrecy. Scientists wax poetic about the beauty of mush­room clouds. Google searches for hafnium turn up an Alabama physi­cist, who sees the isomer’s intri­cacy as a sign of intel­li­gent design. Supposedly land­mark exper­i­ments are com­mem­o­rated by stry­foam cups marked “Dr. C’s memo­r­ial tar­get holder.” Imaginary Weapons can lay the physics on a lit­tle thick for the lay reader, at times. But mostly, accom­pa­ny­ing Weinberger on her trip through the Pentagon’s pseudo-​​science nether­world is mad­cap, far­ci­cal fun. Here’s an excerpt:

Hafnium went to the Pentagon by way of New Mexico, helped along by a cadre of believ­ers in the Air Force. One of those, of course, was Forrest “Jack” Agee, the Air Force sci­en­tist in charge of fund­ing basic physics. He was the man who, in 1999, started fund­ing Collins, while also pub­lish­ing with him.
In early 2004, I went to visit Agee at his office in Arlington, Virginia.
Standing in front of the non­de­script build­ing that housed the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, I stopped for a moment to take in the gray faade that showed lit­tle sign of mil­i­tary occu­pancy. Office work­ers shut­tled in and out of the mul­ti­story build­ing, and it wasn’t until I arrived at the Air Force’s floor that a half­hearted attempt at mil­i­tary secu­rity was on dis­play. A sullen woman read­ing a copy of
People shoved a red badge at me, barely glanc­ing at my press cre­den­tials.
Agee, once described to me as the
emi­nence grise behind iso­mers, smiled as I entered his office and extended his hand like a care­taker greet­ing a mourn­ing rel­a­tive on their way to buy a cas­ket. It was the last time he smiled. With dark-​​tinted glasses and a dour demeanor, Agee did not seem like the type of mil­i­tary offi­cial to give inter­views, and I was sur­prised, in fact, that he had agreed to speak to me at all. Maybe he was sur­prised, too, because as soon as we sat down at the small oval table in his office, he imme­di­ately looked uncom­fort­able. Seated at the table, I noticed that Agee had a cor­ner office, but with the win­dows blocked at every angle by adja­cent build­ings, cast­ing the room in a per­ma­nent gloomy haze.
To Agee’s right sat a pub­lic affairs offi­cial, and to his left, a secu­rity offi­cer, who as Agee explained, was there to make sure he didn’t say any­thing clas­si­fied.
What secrets could acci­den­tally slip out, I won­dered?…
When I asked him about the con­tro­ver­sial nature of the [hafnium] work, par­tic­u­larly the sci­en­tific debate around Collins’s hafnium trig­ger­ing exper­i­ment, Agee frowned deeply. “I know that work is going on around the world in this area,” he said. “We are famil­iar with a num­ber of coun­tries that are pur­su­ing this.“
Agee paused for a moment to clear his throat and glanced out the win­dow with its plain­tive view of the next build­ing­per­haps think­ing about the legions of for­eign coun­tries that could be eaves­drop­ping on our con­ver­sa­tion about dreaded iso­mer weapons.
He cleared his throat again, and then con­tin­ued: “It was a sur­prise that Japanese tor­pe­does worked in a shal­low har­bor in 1941. We were tech­no­log­i­cally sur­prised by that and with awe­some impact. So, the fact that there are coun­tries other than ours that are work­ing on this, well, we bet­ter be able to know what this is about whether we ever find an appli­ca­tion for it or not, in case oth­ers find that.” ?
I was struck that just about every gov­ern­ment sci­en­tist I’d met had described their job as pre­vent­ing “tech­no­log­i­cal sur­prise,” but some­thing like the iso­mer weapon was only a threat if it worked, or had a rea­son­able chance of work­ing, I pointed out An expert panel of sci­en­tists had essen­tially said the hafnium bomb couldn’t work, or at least had about as much a chance of being a bomb as a jelly donut. Was there really any legit­i­mate fear of iso­mer bombs rain­ing down on the United States any­time in the near-​​to-​​distant future?
Agee scoffed.
“We rely on more than just a few days’ review by some pan­elal­beit pop­u­lated by smart peo­ple,” he said. 

UPDATE 06/​14/​06 12:06 PM: Carl Collins drops by to respond, here.

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  1. Michael Hampton says:
    June 12, 2006 at 2:49 pm

    If you’re refer­ring to the ele­ment, I believe it’s spelled hafnium.

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  2. Noah Shachtman says:
    June 12, 2006 at 2:54 pm

    Derf. Fixed.

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  3. DS says:
    June 12, 2006 at 5:37 pm

    The hafnium con­tro­versy has actu­ally been quite a big con­cern among the sci­en­tific Defense related cir­cles. Here’s a back­ground on the issue.
    http://​www​.llnl​.gov/​s​t​r​/​J​u​l​A​u​g​0​5​/​p​d​f​s​/​0​7​_​0​5​.​4​.​pdf
    Basically, the con­cern was this: Hafnium has a high amount of energy stored in it’s nucleus, which is released extremely slowly over a very long halflife. If you could find a way to get all that energy released instan­ta­neously, you’d have an extremely pow­er­ful weapon on hand, in addi­tion to basi­cally a nuclear bat­tery. A sci­en­tist in the early 90’s report­edly was able to achieve this by bom­bard­ing Hafnium with high energy x-​​rays. But the study went unno­ticed until later, when it became a big con­cern for the Defense Department. The pos­si­bil­ity that such a sim­ple pro­ce­dure could result in such a pow­er­ful reac­tion was a def­i­nite national secu­rity risk. So they tried to dupli­cate the study’s results at LANL, but were unable to even come close, and even­tu­ally dis­missed it as a non-​​threat. Pretty cool stuff though.

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  4. Charles says:
    June 13, 2006 at 2:05 am

    Are you sure you’re refer­ring to an iso­mer of hafnium? Isomers would be some­thing else…isotope perhaps.

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  5. DS says:
    June 13, 2006 at 6:41 am

    I should clar­ify. The ref­er­ence is to nuclear iso­mers, not chem­i­cal isomers.

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  6. Wembley says:
    June 13, 2006 at 8:21 am

    Stimulated energy release from Hafnium looks like a non-​​starter, but it works well enough (though less spec­tatcu­larly) with other iso­mers.
    It’s just a ques­tion of how much you can get.

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  7. Drac2000 says:
    June 14, 2006 at 8:35 am

    More fun ! Checkout URL:
    http://​www​.imag​i​nary​weapons​.net

    Reply
  8. DBY says:
    July 1, 2006 at 1:04 pm

    This is a very impor­tant book. This mil­i­tary should not be wast­ing tax payer’s money on obvi­ous crack­pot nonsense.

    Reply
  9. Stephen says:
    July 1, 2006 at 5:06 pm

    I have just fin­ished read­ing the book Imaginary Weapons by Sharon Weinberger and I so much wish I could agree that it is an impor­tant book. It is not an impor­tant book. Unhappily it is a busted flush. It is so full of mis­takes and third hand hearsay that there is a dan­ger that it is a red her­ring that will send us all off in silly direc­tions and dead ends.
    John Walker over at Fourmilab in Switzerland first caught onto this point­ing out that the poor usage of lan­guage and gram­mar such as sites instead of cites and won­der instead of wan­der made him won­der why it was pub­lished so care­lessly. It was already estab­lished that she put the nuke dump in the wrong state. At http://​www​.imag​i​nary​weapons​.net they claim some impor­tant inci­dents Sharon Weinberger empha­sizes so much in Imaginary Weapons are sim­ply fan­tasies, com­pletely made up. I know one per­son men­tioned in the book as a critic of Hafnium and I asked for con­fir­ma­tion of the inci­dent involv­ing that per­son. They evaded as much as pos­si­ble and finally just refused to talk about it.
    I think we had bet­ter be a bit care­ful embrac­ing Imaginary Weapons so uncritically.

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  10. George says:
    July 5, 2006 at 11:21 am

    I am very sorry to say that I believe we must con­sider Imaginary Weapons by Sharon Weinberger as a pos­si­ble fraud. If you Google on Imaginary Weapons you can find a sig­nif­i­cant num­ber of blogs, inter­views and tech­ni­cal eval­u­a­tions of the mate­r­ial offered as truth in the book, some are even posted over­seas. As more copies of the book are read, com­ments are shad­ing from how won­der­ful and how wickedly funny and how impor­tant to know that the Pentagon wasted 5 sec­onds of expen­di­ture exam­in­ing the pos­si­bil­ity of a Hafnium bomb to why such a poten­tially impor­tant mes­sage was deliv­ered in such a flawed pack­age as Ms. Weinberger did in Imaginary Weapons. If you do search you will find Stephen who warns us of the dan­ger of such uncrit­i­cal accep­tance of what Ms. Weinberger has writ­ten so care­lessly. He points the way to a site from which free copies of nine dif­fer­ent tech­ni­cal pub­li­ca­tions by that obscure Texas pro­fes­sor can be down­loaded to see what was actu­ally claimed. I did that and I could find no men­tion or pic­ture of a bomb or a grenade. There was only a lot of tech­ni­cal detail telling how to repeat the experiments

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  11. Carl Collins says:
    July 14, 2006 at 4:12 pm

    Hi Tom L.
    Too bad you had not the courage to use your real name so we might have had a sig­nif­i­cant dis­cus­sion. Since you didn’t, the only way I can start is to repeat, “Come on, lighten up a bit.” It appears that you are really uptight about this, so much so that you are will­ing to ignore Sharon Weinberger’s many, many inac­cu­ra­cies, uses of uncor­rob­o­rated hearsay of hearsay, and prob­a­bly that utterly ridicu­lous tale of the inter­cep­tion of 3 kg of (ground state) Hafnium, shin­ing in the moon­light at the Bulgarian bor­der cross­ing at Ruse. Ever seen Hafnium shine? You would be the first, and what use or point is a slug of ground state Hafnium in Bulgaria? Do you think that has some­thing to do with me also? (That’s a joke!)
    You come on rather strongly, if you are a stranger, Tom L. Why would you sup­pose that I had, or have, some respon­si­bil­ity to try to guess why some other folks’ exper­i­ments would not work. My wife, Doina, already gave a lay expla­na­tion about try­ing to “bake the cake in 1.8 sec­onds at 350,000 degrees.” That was pretty clear, I thought. It is not my respon­si­bil­ity or fault that those who want to do the exper­i­ment dif­fer­ently get a dif­fer­ent result. Anyway, many other con­firm­ing exper­i­ments did suc­ceed. The DARPA con­firm­ing exper­i­ment called TRIP did work, sev­eral times, as was dis­closed in a FOIA response to Sharon Weinberger; but she hid that infor­ma­tion, of course. A sum­mary of the con­fi­dences of the var­i­ous exper­i­ments has been avail­able for over a year and can be seen by all at:
    http://​www​.utdal​las​.edu/​r​e​s​e​a​r​c​h​/​q​u​a​n​t​u​m​/​H​a​f​n​i​u​m​_​i​s​o​m​e​r​_​t​r​i​g​g​e​r​i​n​g​.​htm
    Finally, Tom L., there are 9 free reprints of my recent arti­cles pub­lished in peer-​​reviewed jour­nals that can be down­loaded at URL: http://​www​.utdal​las​.edu/​r​e​s​e​a​r​c​h​/​q​u​a​n​t​u​m​/​i​s​o​m​e​r​/​i​s​o​m​e​r​P​u​b​l​.​htm
    Bloggers have done this and have found no men­tion and cer­tainly not any draw­ings of bombs or grenades. Just because Sharon Weinberger “says so” does not make some­thing true, nor does it make me father of the Hafnium bomb. (Usually it is just the oppo­site).
    Tom, “Get a life,” as the good advice goes, and if you are unable to do that, get bet­ter informed; be more crit­i­cal of what you find in your read­ings of the likes of Imaginary Weapons by Sharon Weinberger.
    Carl

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  12. Carl Collins says:
    July 15, 2006 at 1:12 pm

    Tom L.
    Good Gad, your feel­ings were hurt by the state­ment on the http://​www​.imag​i​nary​weapons​.net site where you were cited as not being a mem­ber of the “Best and Brightest!” If you had just com­mu­ni­cated your upset I could have tried to get that part deleted or rephrased — but then you know my strong com­mit­ment to facts and actual data. When they asked me, I had to men­tion that in a 40–50 year career you seemed to have pub­lished in a peer reviewed jour­nal only one “real” arti­cle that was not a con­fer­ence pro­ceed­ing, namely, Nucl.Instrum.Meth.OOOOOO, 1995. (Please note, I have redacted enough in order to respect your “sim­ple fear of poten­tial harass­ment.” Actually, not being myself a mem­ber of the “Best and Brightest,” I do not know the require­ment for mem­ber­ship, but maybe one real pub­li­ca­tion is enough.
    Yes indeed, your per­sonal opin­ion does not mat­ter to me, (it is cute and pro­fane, true your style and proves the effi­cacy of my advice. You did lighten up!) However, for the fellow-​​bloggers try­ing to sort this out, I have to high­light a few points.
    As I said before, Sharon Weinberger forced out of DARPA an FOIR about TRIP. The FOIR told that the Rusu dis­ser­ta­tion, that had become the “gold stan­dard” for Hafnium trig­ger­ing exper­i­ments, was fully con­firmed. (Dr. Rusu was one of my excel­lent PhD stu­dents, and one who CAN repro­duce Hf-​​isomer trig­ger­ing.) Now, we can indi­vid­u­ally decide whether to believe or not believe the DARPA FOIR state­ments given to and con­cealed by Sharon Weinberger. I hap­pen to believe the con­fir­ma­tion, you do not. The dif­fi­culty is that none of us can see the TRIP data or read of the results. I guess it depends upon the def­i­n­i­tion of a “black pro­gram,” but I would say a pro­gram is black if the results can­not be pub­lished or exam­ined by any­one with­out a secu­rity clear­ance and if the bud­get is unknown. (Ms. Weinberger writes that $5 Million is cur­rently avail­able for con­tin­u­a­tion of that TRIP work in 2006, but she is so unre­li­able, that means noth­ing).
    So, “Tom L.,” I con­grat­u­late you and Sharon Weinberger on your achieve­ment in forc­ing the Hf-​​isomer trig­ger­ing issue into the realm of “black pro­grams.” Hafnium iso­mer trig­ger­ing goes on in good health, but with­out the involve­ment of you or me. Rather a relief; and if you stop hum­ming and wish to learn more you can observe it is no longer 2004, but 2006, and there are some really excit­ing pub­li­ca­tions we have in the open lit­er­a­ture, pub­lished before the pro­gram went “black.” Anyone inter­ested in progress since 2004 will have to order reprints from the pub­lish­ers, as is the cus­tom for new pub­li­ca­tions.
    Anyway, I will do my best to fix your hurt feel­ings and get the state­ment about your not being one of the “Best and Brightest” out of sight.
    Carl

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  13. Andarte says:
    July 17, 2006 at 1:23 pm

    My neg­a­tive review of Imaginary Weapons was another of the ones rejected over at Amazon. Now, that’s past and OK, because we can under­stand that Amazon is try­ing to sell books; and by now, oth­ers have raised the same thing that I was aim­ing at then.
    A dif­fer­ent con­cern both­ers me and I want to share it here. These new blogs empha­size that DARPA was forced to respond to a Freedom of Information Request (FOIR) made by Weinberger; and I have seen a copy of the DARPA response. It says the “TRIP test” inde­pen­dently con­firmed the Hf-​​isomer trig­ger­ing exper­i­ment.
    In the TRIP test DARPA had demanded a con­fir­ma­tion of the “Rusu PhD dis­ser­ta­tion,” because it was accepted as “the gold stan­dard for Hf-​​isomer trig­ger­ing proofs.” While some claim that the peer review process is flawed for pub­lish­ing arti­cles, stronger stan­dards exist in the Universities. We can­not access the now-​​black data and results of the offi­cial TRIP test, but we can eas­ily get a copy of the gold stan­dard.
    At the bot­tom of the URL:
    http://​www​.utdal​las​.edu/​r​e​s​e​a​r​c​h​/​q​u​a​n​t​u​m​/​H​a​f​n​i​u​m​_​i​s​o​m​e​r​_​t​r​i​g​g​e​r​i​n​g​.​htm
    is the infor­ma­tion for order­ing a copy of that so-​​called gold stan­dard for iso­mer trig­ger­ing. I got one and it is a big­ger book and much bet­ter writ­ten than Imaginary Weapons; and com­ing from a non-​​profit source it is a much bet­ter value for the money. Ordering infor­ma­tion is given at the tar­get of the link at the bot­tom of the URL. When you have a copy in hand, you will see that it is crammed with exper­i­men­tal detail; and we must remem­ber that it was exam­ined and passed by the University of Texas Graduate Faculty. It is an impres­sively solid work and if TRIP repro­duced that; then Hf-​​isomer trig­ger­ing is proven.
    I guess the ques­tion is whether we can believe the FOIR response. Honestly, I have to say that I can­not believe that DARPA would send a false report to an obvi­ously hos­tile FOIR demand from Ms. Weinberger.
    I strongly rec­om­mend those really inter­ested buy the gold stan­dard Rusu dis­ser­ta­tion and not Imaginary Weapons by Sharon Weinberger.

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  14. OS says:
    July 21, 2006 at 5:11 pm

    Sharon: re: no 4. and anonymity.
    The sad fact is, at least in some cases, peo­ple are doing so because they haven’t a clue as to what’s okay to say. using their own real names.
    Pathetic.
    democ­racy yeah yeah. Dream on yall.

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  15. Leul says:
    July 23, 2006 at 9:37 am

    Another Weinbergerism !!! There is no such thing as TRIPP. In the course of HF-​​isomer trig­ger­ing there were HIPP meet­ings and a cou­ple of suc­cess­ful TRIP exper­i­ments, there was no TRIPP any­thing.
    We could define “Weinbergerism” as an impas­sioned mil­i­tary assault with dud ammu­ni­tion — and to think she is editor-​​in-​​chief of a once respectable defense magazine.

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  16. Andarte says:
    July 23, 2006 at 12:59 pm

    Hi Leul,
    I like it !
    Let’s pol­ish it a bit more and define Weinbergerism as “a fanat­i­cal assault with dud ammu­ni­tion”.
    Cheers,
    Andarte

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  17. A.N. says:
    July 23, 2006 at 11:27 pm

    Dear Ms.Weinberger,perhaps you may want to read Belic et al.Phys Rev Letter 83 p 5242(1999)“Stuttgart group”, they seem to think it is pos­si­ble.
    Best Regards

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  18. W. Pauli says:
    July 24, 2006 at 4:25 pm

    Please, “A.N.,” don’t try to get away with more mis­di­rec­tion. Everyone in the field knows the Belic work has noth­ing to do with Hf. The paper, if you actu­ally *read* it, con­cerns tan­ta­lum. As in “not hafnium.” As in, “every­one — includ­ing Belic and his group — acknowl­edges that there is no the­o­ret­i­cal or exper­i­men­tal basis for imag­in­ing any pos­si­bil­ity of a chain reac­tion, or even net energy release.” And I’m close to quot­ing Belic ver­ba­tim on this. Next, I’m expect­ing you to re-​​invoke NEET. To head you off at the pass, I’m giv­ing you home­work. Do some cal­cu­la­tions. Then ver­ify that there’s a several-​​order-​​of-​​magnitude gap to be bridged before you’re even allowed to utter the acronym. If you get a dif­fer­ent answer, send a cor­re­spon­dence to Tkalya. Evgeny will set you straight.
    Ad hominem attacks, attempts at mis­di­rec­tion, and gen­er­ally sleazy tac­tics have no place in sci­ence. As your intel­lec­tual father has advised repeat­edly, lighten up, peo­ple. If there’s a real effect, real sci­en­tists will be able to ver­ify it. It’s that sim­ple.
    Thus far, *no* inde­pen­dent con­fir­ma­tion exists. And all inde­pen­dent reviews so far have been very crit­i­cal of Collins’ work. Don’t for­get: The DOD’s own IDA review roughly coin­cided with, and per­haps pre­cip­i­tated, the breakup of Collins’ research group, with Carroll now dis­tanc­ing him­self from that work. Collins’ emo­tional behav­ior has not aided the case for hafnium trig­ger­ing.
    Just do the sci­ence. Results speak elo­quently for them­selves, and have a per­sua­sive power far in excess of whin­ing. So far, the best assess­ment is that it is ganz falsch.

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  19. W. Pauli says:
    July 24, 2006 at 6:37 pm

    If you do a quick Google search, it’s appar­ent that Ray Mebert is not a car­toon char­ac­ter. He is the name of a human char­ac­ter, played by the car­toon­ist, Scott Adams.
    But I guess, to you, the dis­tinc­tion between a car­toon­ist (real human) and a car­toon char­ac­ter (imag­i­nary, non-​​human) is as unim­por­tant as that between an inde­pen­dently peer-​​reviewed sci­en­tific paper, and a let­ter from an admin­is­tra­tor. Or that between a real exper­i­men­tal result, and a patho­log­i­cal arte­fact.
    Das ist ganz falsch. Ich habe richt.

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  20. W. Pauli says:
    July 24, 2006 at 7:48 pm

    There are sev­eral com­mon char­ac­ter­is­tics among crack­pots: They resort to ad hominem attacks, they speak the lan­guage of the sub­ject (while betray­ing a total lack of under­stand­ing), and they suf­fer from a per­se­cu­tion com­plex.
    You pre­sume a lot in say­ing that Ms. Weinberger’s book is a dis­credit to sci­en­tists. I know many sci­en­tists. They are all cheer­ing the book. But again, why does that mat­ter? All along, I’ve been say­ing that real sci­ence will sort it out. The only ones dis­play­ing irra­tional emo­tion­al­ism have been you and your alter egos. Just reread the posts here. Ask strangers which posts appear to be writ­ten by the unhinged.
    Again, keep it sim­ple: Wait for the real sci­en­tists to do the job of sci­ence.
    Whether W. Pauli is a pseu­do­nym or whether my real first name is Wilhelm or Wernher shouldn’t mat­ter, now should it? Again, your emo­tion­al­ism dis­cred­its you. Stick to facts. Relax. Lighten up. Watch some sit­coms. Get out­side.
    ’Nuff said. You have grown tire­some, and are fun­da­men­tally beyond education.

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  21. Ingeborg says:
    July 26, 2006 at 10:43 am

    Your German is incor­rect.
    The rest is incor­rect also.
    Imaginary Weapons is a fraud and a shame to the author. If there are real sci­en­tists who cheer it, then it is a shame to them too.

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  22. Tom L. says:
    July 26, 2006 at 12:30 pm

    Allegations of fraud are a very seri­ous mat­ter. As you have offered no proof, one must pre­sume that you have none.
    I join Mr. “Pauli” in leav­ing this place. You can lead a nutjob to knowl­edge, but you can’t make him think.

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  23. Ingeborg says:
    August 5, 2006 at 7:29 am

    Indeed! Some of the proof is posted at http://​www​.imag​i​nary​weapons​.net. The Chief Counsel of the Chicago Office of the DOE wrote that Esen Alp com­pletely refuted the slan­der­ous story of the actions that Sharon Weinberger attrib­uted to him on p. 205 of Imaginary Weapons.

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  24. Andarte says:
    August 5, 2006 at 7:49 am

    Another Weinbergerism — that’s a “fanat­i­cal assault with dud ammunition”.

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  25. Ingeborg says:
    August 5, 2006 at 8:07 am

    This is not just a Weinbergerism, it is fraud.

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  26. Diogenes says:
    August 7, 2006 at 5:19 pm

    Strange that those who accuse oth­ers of fraud are actu­ally the ones with a truth prob­lem. The “Esen Alp” affair is entirely one of Collins’ doing. If any­one com­mit­ted a slan­der­ous act, it’s Collins him­self! Here is the rel­e­vant email. Carl/Doina/“Ingeborg”/Andarte/Leul (have I missed any of your aliases?) can scream fraud all day long, but it just calls atten­tion to their own con­tin­ued cam­paign of dis­tor­tions. With ethics like that, no won­der their sci­en­tific work is being ques­tioned.
    Naughty, naughty! Bad sci­en­tist! Bad sci­en­tist! >
    Received: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:11:49 –0400
    Received: ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:11:49 –0400
    From: “Carl Collins“
    To: “mstick­ley“
    Dear Martin,
    Your kind words and enthu­si­asm con­tinue to sus­tain us; and we =
    Greatly appre­ci­ate them. However, I am won­der­ing if some­how you are being “kept in the dark” as far as con­cerns the depth of the ter­ri­bly unprin­ci­pled actions of the “oppo­si­tion.” I attach a mes­sage from Dr. Yoshitaka Yoda, whom you remem­ber meet­ing at SLS. As a beam­line sci­en­tist, I rank his abil­ity far above that of any­one at Argonne.
    The indi­vid­ual ref­er­enced by Yoshitaka is Esen Alp, a senior manip­u­la­tor at Argonne claim­ing to be a sci­en­tist. Please notice the dates. The Post Article was pub­lished on March 28. Before April 6, Esen Alp had hand-​​carried a copy to the Director of SPring-​​8 in order to block our fur­ther exper­i­ments there. Recall, at SPring-​​8 we had been get­ting the time for free and Yoshitaka Had agreed to build the shield­ing against ElectroMagnetic Interference (EMI) at their expense; and in time for our next (free) exper­i­ments. Now we will not have shield­ing and I sup­pose we will lose the time. Also, we do not have the money for 2004 yet — another prob­lem.
    My read­ing of the FAR and DFAR reg­u­la­tions is that the actions of Esen Alp con­sti­tute a crime that requires us to report such inter­fer­ence in Defense con­tracted work that impedes the work and raises the price. The unprin­ci­pled actions of Esen Alp have cer­tainly com­mit­ted that action. To whom do we report that; or am I incor­rect in under­stand­ing it to be a crime?
    We are work­ing upon access to an alter­nate site, but surely will have to pay; and have not received guar­an­teed access as soon as this Fall.
    I am prepar­ing ASAP, a more real­is­tic pro­posal to you for move­ment toward a defin­i­tive exper­i­ment; and ask you again to please wait to send “the let­ter” until you have the chance to con­sider what I assert is a more work­able sci­en­tific alter­na­tive.
    Very best regards,
    Sincerely,
    Carl

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  27. Stephen J. says:
    August 7, 2006 at 7:20 pm

    I won­der why Sharon Weinberger did not check with Mr. Alp BEFORE pub­lish­ing a story about him in Imaginary Weapons. She is sup­posed to be an inves­tiga­tive reporter and Editor-​​in-​​Chief of a once respectable mag­a­zine.
    The e-​​mail you repro­duced was issued out by Sharon Weinberger yes­ter­day and duti­fully dis­trib­uted by her apol­o­gists who seemed to miss the whole point. Whether you wrote it in 2004 or whether Collins wrote it in 2004 it was an uncor­rob­o­rated source of gos­sip. In the two years since 2004 she did not even take the trou­ble to ask Esen Alp if he did it.
    In the same alibi yes­ter­day Sharon Weinberger wrote “Here’s Collins’ email that was quoted in the book (and I

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  28. Lloyd says:
    August 7, 2006 at 7:53 pm

    Diogenes says “The Esen Alp affair is entirely one of Collins’ doing” — along with global warm­ing, no doubt.
    Diogenes needs a stronger lamp, this dim bulb isn’t doing the job. What fan­tas­tic illogic. I guess it goes like this. Two years ago Collins plots to trap Sharon Weinberger with a clumsy spoof email and the expe­ri­enced inves­tiga­tive reporter “acquires” it and falls for it com­pletely. She has no slight­est sus­pi­cion dur­ing the next 2 yrs. What a devil of a guy!
    Now, she finally decides to check, but once again there’s Collins ahead of her. The mat­ter is set­tled by Esen Alp’s lawyers and Collins gets the con­firm­ing let­ter. The let­ter is posted on the inter­net. Poor inves­tiga­tive reporter, she needs these many apologists.

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  29. Andarte says:
    August 7, 2006 at 8:02 pm

    It’s all Weinbergerism — that’s a “fanat­i­cal assault with dud ammunition”.

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  30. Laertius says:
    August 7, 2006 at 8:16 pm

    Funny how the argu­ment keeps shift­ing. First, loose alle­ga­tions of fraud fly about. Then, when faced with con­trary evi­dence, the argu­ment becomes “she’s a sloppy reporter.“
    Carl, we both *know* that you sent that email. Watch what you say next — your pants may catch on fire. And then you will indeed be respon­si­ble for abet­ting global warming.

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  31. Lloyd says:
    August 8, 2006 at 9:03 am

    Since that “Devil of a Guy” seems able to take it, I am going to go ahead and let your misiden­ti­fi­ca­tion of author­ship pass. Too bad for Collins, but then maybe he did write the email and so deserves some heat. As has been pointed out, it does not mat­ter who wrote it. The result is the same. Sharon Weinberger cob­bled together Imaginary Weapons from hearsay and gos­sip with­out check­ing her sources at all. If that email was her source for the Esen Alp story, then I pity her for career dreams in a field in which she is grossly inept. Send her a piece of junk and she incor­po­rates it in her book, and then hides behind the nos­trum, “orig­i­nal sources”.
    However I am not going to let the rest of the non­sense you write go with­out cor­rec­tion. Since you are so obsessed with mul­ti­ple pen names and psy­chob­a­b­ble, it tells me that you are writ­ing with sev­eral iden­ti­ties. It is not even a reach, because you use some pecu­liar font that maps ” as *.
    As this first amend­ment exer­cise of every­one say­ing every­thing has devel­oped, there was a healthy trend from fierce to funny. Indeed money was wasted, but actu­ally very lit­tle. Even that bit suc­ceeded in pro­duc­ing an impres­sion that Hf-​​triggering has to be den­i­grated BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE TRUE. That is some­thing to con­sider because some of the argu­ments are quite funny, such as the one that even a (phys­i­cally) small device would be so radioac­tive that only a sui­cide bomber could use it. That was sup­posed to be an argu­ment why no one could ever use it. Well, I think most peo­ple could think of some real­is­tic exam­ples along those lines. Or the argu­ment that it was too expen­sive to make. Available pub­li­ca­tions (not from the Devil either) show that the many old cyclotrons aging away all over the world could be real­is­ti­cally ren­o­vated and put to work mak­ing the iso­mer in small, but enough, amounts. But, then the prod­uct would be even more expen­sive than gaso­line and what bunch want­ing to pro­duce iso­mers in old cyclotrons could afford that kind of money?
    Now, the move­ment of dia­log from fierce to funny is well along and since the legals have taken briefs on some of the sides, soon Imaginary Weapons will dry up and blow away, all while deny­ing Sharon Weinberger the mar­tyr­dom she seeks. The research on Hf-​​isomer trig­ger­ing will con­tinue at Argonne as it should, since the US has no bet­ter place. At the end of the day you will be the only one snarling and spoil­ing the fun.
    If you would con­cen­trate on the book and drop your tire­some per­sonal vendetta, you could be more con­struc­tive in ways that matter.

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  32. Sharon Weinberger says:
    August 8, 2006 at 8:03 pm

    I’m going against my bet­ter judg­ment now by rejoin­ing this dis­cus­sion. I know Noah likes a good argu­ment, and I like Noah’s blog, so what the heck, I

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  33. Lloydarte says:
    August 9, 2006 at 12:53 pm

    What’s tragic is that, with every post, Collins just digs him­self a deeper hole, then jumps down it. His juve­nile, whiny posts have all of the intel­lec­tual pro­fun­dity of “what you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.” Carl — for your own sake, just stop! Lighten up!
    Btw, Carl — if you had actu­ally used com­put­ers for more than a polem­i­cal paper­weight, you would know that the aster­isk is used as a delim­iter to iden­tify bold­face type in pure-​​ASCII sys­tems that pre­date HTML (as in the ARPANET). It’s not a “font.” Other use­ful delim­iters include the under­score, which sig­ni­fies ital­ics. There are also things called “emoti­cons,” which allow you to embed some crude graph­ics, such as smi­ley faces, winks, gri­maces, etc. Don’t let your grad stu­dents do all the com­puter work. You’ll find that many peo­ple use aster­isks. And under­scores. And smi­ley faces. ;)
    And oh. Your pants are on fire!

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  34. Jeffrey Damien Cappella says:
    January 11, 2007 at 11:18 am

    While I def­i­nitely do not sup­port wast­ing DOD fund­ing (I can not make a judg­ment either way on the topic of HF bombs as I am not informed on the issue to make such a judg­ment) I have done some back­ground research on Sharon Weinberger and have come to observe trends in her report­ing that lean towards left lean­ing advo­cacy jour­nal­ism. I cor­rob­o­rate such a claim by point­ing to the specifics of her aca­d­e­mic train­ing (B.A. from »Johns Hopkins University«) to her expe­ri­ences in the state depart­ment an orga­ni­za­tion whose nature by def­i­n­i­tion leans to the left regard­ing inter­na­tional rela­tions. I also point to the fact that Ms Weinberger writes for

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  35. S. Ray DeRusse says:
    November 2, 2007 at 5:47 am

    This was aa great series of discussion-​​posts. It should have been on SCIFRAUD as well so I am mak­ing a refer­ral from that list to this list.
    SRD
    http://​www​.bccme​te​or​ties​.com

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