DefenseTech Military.com
  • Categories
  • Full Archives
  • Monthly Archives
  • About Defense Tech
Subscribe to RSS

About Defense Tech

Defense Tech exam­ines the inter­sec­tion of tech­nol­ogy and defense from every angle and pro­vides analy­sis on what’s ahead.

Tip Us Off

Tip for Defense Tech?

SEND IT!

It’s Confidential!

Categories

  • 'Canes
  • Afghan Update
  • Ammo and Munitions
  • Armor
  • Around the Globe
  • Av Week Extra
  • Axe in Iraq (and Elsewhere)
  • Bizarro
  • Blimps
  • Blog Bidness
  • Body Armor Blues
  • Bomb Squad
  • Brownshoes in Action
  • Bubbleheads, etc.
  • Cammo Green
  • Catch the "Buzz"
  • Chem-Bio
  • Civilian Apps
  • Cloak and Dagger
  • Commandos
  • Comms
  • Contingency Ops
  • Cops and Robbers
  • Cyber-warfare
  • Data Diving
  • Defense Tech Poll
  • Defense Tech Radio
  • Dissent Tech
  • Door Kickers
  • Drones
  • DT Administrivia
  • Eat DT's Dust
  • Extra! Extra!
  • Eye on China
  • Fast Movers
  • FCS Watch
  • Fire for Effect
  • FOS Files
  • Friday Funnies
  • Gadgets and Gear
  • Going Green
  • Grand Ole Osprey
  • Ground Vehicles
  • Guns
  • Homeland Security
  • In the Weeds with Eric
  • Info War
  • Iraq Diary
  • Jarhead Jazz
  • JSF Watch
  • Just War Theories
  • Lasers and Ray Guns
  • Less-lethal
  • Logistics
  • Los Alamos and Labs
  • M4 Monopoly
  • Medic!
  • Mercs
  • Missiles
  • Money Money Money
  • Most Wanted
  • MRAP Edge
  • Net-Centric
  • Nukes
  • Old Skool
  • Our Shrinking Planet
  • PEO Soldier
  • Planes, Copters, Blimps
  • Podcast
  • Politricks
  • Polmar's Perspective
  • Popular Mechanics
  • Rapid Fire
  • Raptor Watch
  • Red Team
  • Retro-Futuro
  • Robots
  • Roll Your Own
  • Sabra Tech
  • Ships and Subs
  • Snipertech
  • Soldier Systems
  • Space
  • Special Ops
  • Star Wars
  • Strategery
  • Stray Trons
  • Tactical Development
  • Terror Tech
  • The Deadlies
  • The Defense Biz
  • The Peoples' Site
  • The Sunday Paper
  • The Tanker Tango
  • The View from Av Week
  • Those Nutty Norks
  • Training and Sims
  • Trimble on the Case
  • Uncategorized
  • Video Lounge
  • War Update
  • Ward'z Wonderz
  • You can run…

Archives

  • November 2009
  • October 2009
  • September 2009
  • August 2009
  • July 2009
  • June 2009
  • May 2009
  • April 2009
  • March 2009
  • February 2009
  • January 2009
  • December 2008
  • November 2008
  • October 2008
  • September 2008
  • August 2008
  • July 2008
  • June 2008
  • May 2008
  • April 2008
  • March 2008
  • February 2008
  • January 2008
  • December 2007
  • November 2007
  • October 2007
  • September 2007
  • August 2007
  • July 2007
  • June 2007
  • May 2007
  • April 2007
  • March 2007
  • February 2007
  • January 2007
  • December 2006
  • November 2006
  • October 2006
  • September 2006
  • August 2006
  • July 2006
  • June 2006
  • May 2006
  • April 2006
  • March 2006
  • February 2006
  • January 2006
  • December 2005
  • November 2005
  • October 2005
  • September 2005
  • August 2005
  • July 2005
  • June 2005
  • May 2005
  • April 2005
  • March 2005
  • February 2005
  • January 2005
  • December 2004
  • November 2004
  • October 2004
  • September 2004
  • August 2004
  • July 2004
  • June 2004
  • May 2004
  • April 2004
  • March 2004
  • February 2004
  • January 2004
  • December 2003
  • November 2003
  • October 2003
  • September 2003
  • August 2003
  • July 2003
  • June 2003
  • May 2003
  • April 2003
  • March 2003
  • February 2003
  • January 2003

Home » Missiles » Perry: Strike Korea Now, Get Intel Later (Updated)

Perry: Strike Korea Now, Get Intel Later (Updated)

Clinton defense sec­re­tary William Perry is ready to attack North Korea, now.
20050218-korea-protest.jpg

Should the United States allow a coun­try openly hos­tile to it and armed with nuclear weapons to per­fect an inter­con­ti­nen­tal bal­lis­tic mis­sile capa­ble of deliv­er­ing nuclear weapons to U.S. soil?… If North Korea per­sists in its launch prepa­ra­tions, the United States should imme­di­ately make clear its inten­tion to strike and destroy the North Korean Taepodong mis­sile before it can be launched.

But there’s a teeny-​​tiny fact Perry seems to have over­looked: We have no idea, really, whether North Korea is prepar­ing a mis­sile. Or what that mis­sile is capa­ble of doing.
The hype kicked into high gear when the New York Times claimed that the Norks “com­pleted fuel­ing a long-​​range bal­lis­tic mis­sile” over the week­end. But the report is get­ting fishier by the sec­ond. The Norks gen­er­ally rely on a highly cor­ro­sive gasoline-​​kerosene mix for their mis­sile fuel, and an oxi­dizer con­tain­ing nitric acid. It’s nasty, metal-​​eating stuff. And once fueled up, the mis­sile has to be launched quickly — two or three days, I’ve been told — or else the mis­sile is basi­cally ruined.
It’s now been four days. And there’s been no launch. Which means it’s becom­ing increas­ingly unlikely that a mis­sile has been fueled. So much for Perry’s demand “to strike the [mis­sile] if North Korea refuses to drain the fuel out.“
And, of course, there may not be an ICBM at all. Remember, the North Koreans have launched exactly one intermediate-​​range bal­lis­tic mis­sile, in 1998. The thing — a com­bi­na­tion of smaller, Nodong and Scud mis­siles — went about 2,000 km or so. Now, U.S. intel­li­gence assumes the Norks have been work­ing on strap­ping together more Nodongs and Scuds (or, at least, their engines) for an ICBM — some­thing that can reach three to five times fur­ther, and hit the U.S. But no one has actu­ally seen the weapon. Even how many the stages the mys­tery mis­sile has in unknown; some folks say two, oth­ers say three.
Plus, as the Post men­tioned a few days back, Pyongyang has a long his­tory of stag­ing elab­o­rate hoaxes, in order to get the world’s attention.

A year ago, the world was on edge after reports that North Korea might test a nuclear weapon — and one report even sug­gested the evi­dence showed that view­ing stands had been built. No test took place.

Now, what hap­pens if we strike North Korea — and there’s no mis­sile to hit? What does that do to American stand­ing, then?
UPDATE 11:47 AM: “South Korea’s defense min­is­ter said Thursday that Seoul believes North Korea’s mis­sile launch is not immi­nent despite con­cern in the region that the com­mu­nist nation would test-​​fire a long-​​range mis­sile.” (AP, via FP Passport)
UPDATE 5:36 PM:Even Dick Cheney — Dick Cheney, fer chris­sakes! — is pour­ing cold water on the Nork mis­sile threat. Check out this inter­view with CNN’s John King:

KING: Do we know what’s on that mis­sile? Is it a satel­lite? Is it a war­head? Is it a test?
CHENEY: We don’t know. That’s one of the con­cerns, that this is a regime that’s not trans­par­ent that we believe has devel­oped nuclear weapons and now has put a mis­sile on a launch pad with­out telling any­body what it’s all about — as to put a satel­lite in orbit, or a sim­ple test flight. They will, obvi­ously, gen­er­ate con­cern on the part of their neigh­bors and the United States to the extent that they con­tinue to oper­ate this way.
As the president’s made clear, this is not the kind of behav­ior we’d like to see, given the fact the North Koreans do have a nuclear pro­gram and have refused to come clean about it.
KING: What do we know about their capa­bil­i­ties? Some have said this new longer range mis­sile could reach Guam, per­haps Alaska. Others say, no, it might be able to reach Los Angeles. And there are some who think maybe even right here, Washington, D.C. What do we know?
CHENEY: We — this is first test of this par­tic­u­lar Taepo Dong II mis­sile — we believe it does have a third stage added to it now. But again, we don’t know what the pay­load is. I think it’s also fair to say that the North Korean mis­sile capa­bil­i­ties are fairly rudi­men­tary. They’ve been build­ing Scuds and so forth over the years. But their test flights in the past haven’t been notably suc­cess­ful. But we are watch­ing it with inter­est and fol­low­ing it very closely.
(empha­sis mine)

National Security Adviser Steven Hadley says the same thing, basi­cally: “In terms of North Korean inten­tions, you know this is a very opaque soci­ety, and very hard to read.” Then he adds this lit­tle gem about our mighty mis­sile defense system:

“We have a mis­sile defense sys­tem … what we call a long-​​range mis­sile defense sys­tem that is basi­cally a research, devel­op­ment, train­ing, test kind of sys­tem,” Hadley said. “It does … have some lim­ited oper­a­tional capa­bil­ity. And the pur­pose, of course, of a mis­sile defense sys­tem is to defend .… the ter­ri­tory of the United States from attack.”

(big ups: RC)

Share |

June 22nd, 2006 | Missiles, Strategery, Those Nutty Norks | 196614 Comments »http://defensetech.org/2006/06/22/perry-strike-korea-now-get-intel-later-updated/Perry%3A+Strike+Korea+Now%2C+Get+Intel+Later+%28Updated%292006-06-22+16%3A06%3A48david_axe You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not allowed.

« « Postal Service Funding Nuke Labs | Iraqi Troops, Muderers? » »

This website uses IntenseDebate comments, but they are not currently loaded because either your browser doesn't support JavaScript, or they didn't load fast enough.

  1. Mycroft says:
    June 22, 2006 at 12:45 pm

    If the Norks stage an elab­o­rate hoax to scare us, and we respond by bomb­ing with­out know­ing it’s a hoax, I hardly see how that reflects badly on us. On American intel­li­gence, per­haps, but not on the national char­ac­ter.
    And, quite frankly, I really doubt the rep­u­ta­tion of American intel­li­gence can sink that much lower.

    Reply
  2. Sarge says:
    June 22, 2006 at 12:52 pm

    Mr. President, I’m not say­ing we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty mil­lion killed, tops. Uh, depend­ing on the breaks.
    General “Buck” Turgidson

    Reply
  3. Carlos says:
    June 22, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    Sure, what the hell, Americans are so hated in most of the world…what dif­fer­ence will it make to trash some No. Koreans. You can’t hardly travel any­where any­more with­out fear. Let’s become the ulti­mate bully on the block. USA..the even­tual lonely, iso­lated, impo­tent coun­try that “coulda been a con­tender” in true world leadership…what a waste. Let’s dig our­selves deeper into a hole.

    Reply
  4. Bruce says:
    June 22, 2006 at 1:48 pm

    If they want to stage a hoax then they must be pre­pared for the con­se­quences of it actu­ally pass­ing as believable.

    Reply
  5. sglover says:
    June 22, 2006 at 4:48 pm

    And, quite frankly, I really doubt the rep­u­ta­tion of American intel­li­gence can sink that much lower.
    Well, Cheney sounds as well-​​informed as ever.…
    On to more seri­ous things: I have it on good author­ity that there’s a sullen Latvian who’s putting a pipe bomb together. Crank up the B-2’s, pronto!
    By the way, love the “Norks” term. Are they gonna be in a Spielberg movie?

    Reply
  6. Francis says:
    June 22, 2006 at 5:10 pm

    Matthew,
    While you’re right that the Titan II used stor­able fuels, they were actu­ally Aerozine-​​50 and nitro­gen tetrox­ide (N2O4). Aerozine is a 50–50 mix of hydrazine and unsym­met­ri­cal dimethyl hydrazine (UDMH). RP-​​1 and LOX were used on the Titan I.

    Reply
  7. Luca says:
    June 23, 2006 at 11:16 am

    People not versed in the min­u­tae of the BMD debate should under­stand where many of these com­ments come from. Just as some pro­po­nents may have a ‘blind faith’ in tech­nol­ogy, many mis­sile defense oppo­nents have their snark rooted in the­o­log­i­cal hos­til­ity to BMD because it’s not their arms con­trol pref­er­ence, it’s seen as “Republican” and so forth. Citing large spend­ing num­bers with­out the con­text of year-​​to-​​year pro­gram­matic and pol­icy bat­tles, micro­manag­ing via leg­is­la­tion, etc. pro­vides no real light or res­o­lu­tion on the wis­dom of BMD, all it pro­duces are know­ing head-​​bobs from the anti-​​BMD ideologues.

    Reply
  8. Barry says:
    June 23, 2006 at 12:29 pm

    Luca: “People not versed in the min­u­tae of the BMD debate should under­stand where many of these com­ments come from. Just as some pro­po­nents may have a ‘blind faith’ in tech­nol­ogy, many mis­sile defense oppo­nents have their snark rooted in the­o­log­i­cal hos­til­ity to BMD because it’s not their arms con­trol pref­er­ence, it’s seen as “Republican” and so forth. Citing large spend­ing num­bers with­out the con­text of year-​​to-​​year pro­gram­matic and pol­icy bat­tles, micro­manag­ing via leg­is­la­tion, etc. pro­vides no real light or res­o­lu­tion on the wis­dom of BMD, all it pro­duces are know­ing head-​​bobs from the anti-​​BMD ide­o­logues.“
    Luca, aside from the AP story noted above, we’ve seen 20 years and $60 bil­lion poured into mis­sile defense. The cur­rent sta­tus is that the tests are rigged to the gills (GPS transpon­ders, decoys designed not to be con­fused with the war­head, etc.). Not that the fak­ers will admit that up-​​front — they brag about a suc­cess­ful test, and then spin away the real­ity later, once it’s revealed.
    Some peo­ple com­pare what we were promised, with what’s proven, decades and much cash later, and don’t trust BMD pro­po­nents.
    Personally, I think that the pro­pos­als to attack the launch site are telling — if we had any­thing worth a d*mn, we’d shoot the mis­sile down inflight. But I guess that we don’t want to risk that sort of failure.

    Reply
  9. Byron Skinner says:
    June 23, 2006 at 1:19 pm

    Good Morning Folks,
    First off I would like to thank the peo­ple who had the dia­logue on Liguid Fuel, I enjoyed and learned much from your dicus­sion.
    That said it appears that the North Koreans fuel­ing of their mis­sile sit­ting in the upright launch posi­tion was a hoax. More detailed pho­tos released last night show two tanker trucks under camo. net­ting on either side of the mis­sile. A closer look at the mis­sile strongly indi­cated it is unfu­eled.
    It does appear that the North Koreans do have a sense of humor after all. Back away and look at the scene of the mis­sile and the two tanker trucks under the net­ting and it doesn’t take a rocket sci­en­tist to see that the North Koreans are flip­ping us off.
    Maybe there is a mes­sage here for all those who take these folks seri­ously. I think even the Bushies should real­ize when they have been had.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

    Reply
  10. Luca says:
    June 23, 2006 at 1:26 pm

    No need to refight the wars here, but the charges of “rigged” tests are gen­er­ally proved to result from unwar­ranted hyper­bole of oppo­nents or a fun­da­men­tal mis­un­der­stand of what the test is set out to accom­plish and how pro­grams like this have to be tested (e.g., transpon­ders for range safety and track­ing, data col­lec­tion and so forth). It’s hard for the press to under­stand, but some tests aren’t about hit­ting and destroy­ing a tar­get. Do some BMD pro­po­nents often crow about test suc­cesses when they should be more mea­sured, sure–but does MDA pur­posely rig tests to present false data and con­clu­sions, no they don’t.

    Reply
  11. MEHRDOOST says:
    June 20, 2008 at 1:37 am

    UDMH-​​STORAGE

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Click here to cancel reply.

Spam Protection by WP-SpamFree

By commenting on this topic you agree to the terms and conditions of our User Agreement

    Today's Hottest Topics
    Recent Comments
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
      Good observations about drones. The real potential of laser...
      Will
    • New Camo Pattern on the Block
      The most simple thing is have 2 basic issued uniforms....
      Big Daddy
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
      Valid observation, Charles. This is all so new that it's hard...
      Will
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
      Part III : But, as I said in a previous comment, I...
      freefallingbomb
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
      Part II : The Bushmaster's machine-cannon...
      freefallingbomb
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
      Part I : Why doesn't this article, or even...
      freefallingbomb
    • New Camo Pattern on the Block
      I guess camouflaging exposed skin has gone out of...
      Eric daniel
    • New Camo Pattern on the Block
      The US Military should hold annual fashion shows. The Army...
      Zandor
    • New Camo Pattern on the Block
      I'd also like to point out, that soldier systems has been...
      a1189
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
      Has to do with traverse speed. If the target is close then the...
      Charles
    Recent Articles
    • Army Launches Examination of Armor Testing
    • New Camo Pattern on the Block
    • BAE to Market Mantis UAV to North America
    • Pinnacle’s New Armor
    • Zapping Drones from a Truck
    • Northrop Invests Own Money In Fire Scout
    • IMINT: French Fashion Mavens Model MultiCam
    • VTOL JSF Arrives at Pax River
    • Super Cavitation and the Truth
    • Mantis Begins Search For Prey
    Recent Hot Topics
    • Marines Quiet About Brutal New Weapon
    • The Osprey has Landed
    • UPDATED: Details on Army's New Afghanistan Duds
    • Iraq Cyber Attack and the DigiSEALs
    • VTOL JSF Arrives at Pax River
    • Pinnacle's New Armor
    • (Proof) The Osprey Has Landed
    • Grim Wanat Footage
    • REPLACEMENT ARM, GOOD AS NEW
    • IMINT: French Fashion Mavens Model MultiCam
  • Channels: Military.com | Military Benefits | Military News | Off Duty | Join the Military | Military Education | Veteran Jobs | Military Money | Military Deals | Military Family | Military Community
  • Military.com Network: Military.com | MilBlogging | Defense Tech | DoD Buzz | SpouseBuzz | Fred's Place | GI Bill Express
  • Services: Army | Navy | Air Force | Marine Corps | Coast Guard | National Guard | Military Spouse
  • About Military.com About Us | Advertise With Us | Press | Affiliate Program | Monster Network | Help | Feedback | Privacy Policy | User Agreement | © 2009 Military Advantage