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Home » Drones » J-​​UCAS Takes Another Hit

J-​​UCAS Takes Another Hit

Hot on the heels of the Air Force’s February with­drawal from the Joint Unmanned Combat Air System (J-​​UCAS) and the Navy’s takeover of the promis­ing pro­gram, the attack drone is about to take another hit.
X-47B Over CV.jpg“[A] co-​​worker who has good friend in the con­gres­sional bud­get office says the UCAS-​​D (as they call J-​​UCAS now) is headed for a $200 mil­lion plus cut next year,” reports a Defense Tech source.
What this will mean for Boeing and Northrop Grumman (each of which is build­ing demon­stra­tors) remains to be seen.
Then there’s this puz­zling piece of news from the Farnborough air show, as reported by Flight International:

The U.S. Navy has begun study­ing the need for a new stealthy strike air­craft — a mis­sion that was once to have been per­formed by the A-​​12, can­celled in 1991. “They will do a for­mal analy­sis of alter­na­tives at some point,” says Chris Chadwick, Boeing vice– pres­i­dent and gen­eral man­ager global strike systems.

This is another stealth strike air­craft on top of the Lockheed Martin F-​​35C Lightning? Will it be manned? Is this just another repack­ag­ing of N-​​UCAS, like what the Air Force did in turn­ing J-​​UCAS into its new Long Range Strike study?
Color me con­fused.
–David Axe

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  1. DS says:
    August 21, 2006 at 11:44 am

    man the A-​​12 would have been so cool. the mock-​​up that they did was awe­some look­ing. hard to imag­ine why a plane so far ahead of it’s time would have been scrapped when it was so far into devel­op­ment. :(

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  2. Byron Skinner says:
    August 21, 2006 at 1:50 pm

    Good Morning David,
    What a way to start out the week. The F-​​35 accord­ing to arti­cles in sev­eral Sunday Papers this past week­end is on the ropes. Already with a cost esti­mate of in excess of $100 mil­lion per unit in ’05 funds, the 2500 pro­duc­tion mark now very unlikely and nobody is talk­ing pro­duc­tion before 2011 the F-​​35 may join the A-​​12 as good but no cigar. The sameguys who dumped the A-​​12 are still there for at least another two years, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
    As you sug­gested the Navy is way ahead of the Air Force on unmanned com­bat air craft. The CV21 (X) project that is in design as I write this has deter­mined that futire American Carries will only sup­port five air frames vs. the cur­rent eleven. Navy Top Guns of the future will not get much far­ther then the ward room and a joy stick.
    Here is a though for Brian and the rest who don’t want to see the future, Randy “Duke” Cunningham may go down in Naval History as the last “Navy Ace”.
    Ah, what a way to start a week.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

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  3. JD says:
    September 8, 2006 at 12:52 am

    From what I under­stood while work­ing on the AX (then later called A/​FX), the rea­son for the A-​​12 can­cel­la­tion, other than WAY over­run costs, was that they sim­ply could not build it. The struc­tures siz­ing and aero­elas­tic­ity prob­lems just could not be over­come.
    The ini­tial AX pro­gram was sim­i­lar: deep strike, low observ­able, inter­nal LGB carriage…what killed AFX was the F-​​18 mafia. Suddenly AX, a fly­ing dump truck, was told it had to knife fight like an F-​​16, got stuck car­ry­ing tall-​​fins inter­nal (mak­ing it HUGELY thick…folding fins weren’t allowed) plus AMRAAMs. We were told if it COULDN“T do all that then the F-​​18 was the win­ner, yet the F-​​18 couldn’t do a frac­tion of what we were expected to do. The AX was a hel­luva plane. The AFX was just another F-​​111.

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  4. John Primbs says:
    September 8, 2006 at 8:51 am

    I have noticed a num­ber of arti­cles on unmanned air­craft sys­tems from a few promi­nent news sources that refer to these system’s flight vehi­cles as drones. Just for the record, these vehi­cles are not drones. The term is cor­rectly applied to an air­craft that is used as an aer­ial tar­get. A drone is usu­ally a manned air­craft that has reached the end of its use­ful life and then mod­i­fied and flown as an unmanned vehi­cle as a tar­get for gun­nery prac­tice or other exer­cise purpose.

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  5. CJ says:
    September 8, 2006 at 9:14 am

    Anybody won­der why LockMart got the space deal? Can you say “Quid Pro Quo”?

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  6. John Marshall says:
    September 8, 2006 at 10:54 am

    Another exam­ple of con­gres­sional and mil­i­tary
    short­sight­ed­ness. I do not belive that any A.I.
    or remote can replace a human on site. However
    as an adjunct these platform’s can be very effec­tive. Ive read sev­eral “what if’s” in
    mil­i­tary tech fic­tion and Im sold. Dale Brown’s
    books get the point across very well. Can you
    imag­ine being a pilot in a dog­fight against
    a fighter that can pull 20 G’s? My only ques­tion
    is how do you keep the data link from being jammed? EMP’s are very effec­tive and our satil­lites are pretty defenseless.

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  7. Bill Barrett says:
    September 9, 2006 at 12:53 pm

    Mr. Marshall’s com­ments were good. The DataLink jam­ming prob­lem is avoided by 2 meth­ods: 1) Pencil-​​Point comms, as shown in pub­lic FCS slides, and 2) hav­ing intel­li­gent con­trol within the vehi­cle (which explains the change from RP to UA in UAV). The pilot is gen­er­ally the most expen­sive and heav­i­est pay­load in the air­craft (gotta con­sider life-​​support sys­tems in these bud­gets). The eco­nom­ics seem clear.

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