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Home » Logistics » Ice And Lemon With That?

Ice And Lemon With That?

You may talk of gin and beer
When you’re quar­tered safe out ‘ere
An’ you’re sent to penny fights and Aldershot it
But when it comes to slaugh­ter
You’ll do your work on water
An’ you’ll lick the bloomin’ boots of ‘im that’s got it

water.jpg
Some things have not changed since Kipling wrote Gunga Din about a heroic Indian water-​​carrier with the British Army; the Tommies are still fight­ing Afghans beyond the Northwest Frontier, and water sup­ply is still a vital ele­ment in the logis­tics chain. But back then the water came from a goatskin bag, “was crawlin’ and it stunk” — these days qual­ity con­trol has improved some­what.
According to one US Army esti­mate, up to 65% of mil­i­tary road traf­fic in Iraq is taken up with trans­port­ing water to the troops. Cutting the num­ber of trucks used for water will reduce the num­ber of con­voys that need pro­tect­ing, and Allied Command Transformation Headquarters aims to do that by gen­er­at­ing drink­ing water in the field. They recently demon­strated a mobile bot­tling plant that fits into a C-​​130 which can gen­er­ate, purify and bot­tle 700 liters of water an hour.
Further down the line, DARPA are pur­su­ing a project called ‘Water From Air’, look­ing at ways of extract­ing potable water from the atmos­phere or from vehi­cle exhaust (water is one of the by-​​products when any hydro­car­bon fuel is burned). Water gen­er­a­tion was also one of the many fea­tures included in the orig­i­nal plans for Future Combat System, all part of the goal of trav­el­ing light and reduc­ing the logis­tics tail.
But there is one big, rather sim­ple prob­lem, as explained in this piece on logis­tics in Iraq:

Dependence on bot­tled water in Iraq turned out to be a major sus­tain­ment and qual­ity of life issue, Chambers said. Bottled water made up 30 per­cent of the dis­tri­b­u­tion require­ment even though bulk water was avail­able, he said.

Because the bot­tom line is:

“Soldiers do not like to drink puri­fied water.”

Which is why the idea of recy­cling urine into drink­ing water is even less likely to catch on, some­thing that the Army has looked at on the grounds that “The tech­nol­ogy is there. NASA is doing it. However, Thomas Bagwell, act­ing exec­u­tive direc­tor for research at TARDEC, admit­ted that the last time he put this idea to sol­diers, they chased me out of the room.
Water may be tech­ni­cally safe and potable, but it can still taste ter­ri­ble and troops are under­stand­ably not going to want to drink it. If you can solve that prob­lem, you can take out a huge amount of the logis­tics over­head. Maybe they should look at addi­tives (fla­vor­ing? caf­feine?), or maybe it needs some brand­ing and an adver­tis­ing push (“Real Water For Real Men”). But I sus­pect it will take a lot more to per­suade peo­ple to give up bot­tled water for puri­fied. And if you can work out how to do that one, you’re a bet­ter man than I am, Gunga Din.
– David Hambling
UPDATE: The Water Generation require­ment was dropped from the FCS pro­gram dur­ing the last ORD review — thanks to Douglas Weber for the update.

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  1. Steve Weintz says:
    November 28, 2006 at 9:35 am

    The num­bers in this arti­cle are astound­ing (65% of logis­tic traf­fic??!!), and the human choices noted are fas­ci­nat­ing. I won­der if this is a prob­lem which could be addressed by the pack­ag­ing and mar­ket­ing we’re so very good at (although the troops are more leery of bull than the rest of us). Bottled in a groovy pack­age, avail­able in sev­eral soldier-​​approved fla­vors, pro­duced by a “vapo­ra­tor” dis­guised as a bot­tling machine and encour­aged by real taste-​​tests and field tri­als, puri­fied water might catch on. Perhaps the image of field water can be mor­phed from the “Tommie at the dung-​​filled water seep” to the astro­naut cruis­ing across the Martian desert…although, I as far as I know, there’s no Martians out there shoot­ing at you…

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  2. sglover says:
    November 28, 2006 at 10:31 am

    I know this is a bleed­ing heart lib­eral kind of thing to say, but it seems to me that the real story here is how tech­nol­ogy that could con­ceiv­ably help mil­lions of peo­ple around the world — maybe even prod them to like America again! — doesn’t get any seri­ous effort unless the Pentagon wants it. Sure, sure, if it gets devel­oped, even­tu­ally it’ll make its way into relief agency kits. But given the level of des­per­a­tion and grind­ing poverty in the world, maybe a lit­tle pri­or­ity rejig­ger­ing is in order?

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  3. Eric Hundman says:
    November 28, 2006 at 11:20 am

    While all the new pos­si­bil­i­ties for mobile water gen­er­a­tion are inter­est­ing, David, I am not sure that the prob­lem is so acute as you por­tray it here.
    You write: “According to one US Army esti­mate, up to 65% of mil­i­tary road traf­fic in Iraq is taken up with trans­port­ing water to the troops.“
    However, the source you link to for that esti­mate actu­ally says: “According to the U.S. Army, up to 65 per­cent of the mil­i­tary road traf­fic in Iraq is trans­port­ing bot­tled water to the troops and sup­port per­son­nel there.“
    Your source (while admit­tedly unclear itself) does not say that 65% per­cent of road traf­fic is entirely taken up with water trans­port; it merely says that up to 65% of mil­i­tary road traf­fic is car­ry­ing some water.

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  4. David Hambling says:
    November 28, 2006 at 3:27 pm

    Eric,
    You’re right, it’s not 65% of the total road logis­tics effort, but clearly it’s a huge amount — the other piece I quote says -
    “Sixty per­cent of the tac­ti­cal plat­forms were ded­i­cated to deliv­er­ing water, accord­ing to Chambers. “
    Sglover,
    AGreed this tech­nol­ogy will hope­fully be use­ful for emer­gency relief. Also that for the esti­mated 2.6 bil­lion who do not have access to clean drink­ing water, the solu­tion is not expen­sive high-​​tech water-​​from-​​air, but basic wells and bore­holes. The WHO esti­mates that pro­vid­ing a clean water sup­ply would cost about $20-$50 per capita. Arguably spend­ing few mil­lion dol­lars on clean water in the devel­op­ing world “prod peo­ple to like the US” and improve secu­rity in the long term more effec­tively than some items of mil­i­tary expen­di­ture.
    http://www.data.org/policy/millennium/pdf/Water%20briefing%20Oct%202006.pdf

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  5. sglover says:
    November 29, 2006 at 10:12 am

    Mr. Hambling — I real­ize you’d never want to use this gad­get to irri­gate vil­lage crops, any more than you’d use a nuclear-​​powered desalin­iza­tion plant. But if it lives up to the hype, it sounds use­ful for dis­as­ter relief teams. Thanks for the WHO num­bers.
    If I take the high-​​end per capita cost esti­mate, and mul­ti­ply it by a round 3 bil­lion, I come up with a dol­lar fig­ure equal to about a third of our “defense” spend­ing (more like a fifth, if you fac­tor in things like DoE spend­ing, VA spend­ing, etc.). We get damn poor value for money out of “defense”.

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  6. Dave E says:
    May 4, 2007 at 9:19 am

    I read about the con­cept of using com­bus­tion to make water on motor­boats used dur­ing world war II. The idea was basi­cally to attach a lit­tle pan to the exhaust. It was pretty effi­cient as I recall. Though i think it had to be fil­tered.
    What was even more funny though is that when they were look­ing for ways to get water to troops stranded on boats in the pacific they came up with the idea of basi­cally shov­ing salt water up your bum. Now this isn’t as crazy as it sounds — as in in hos­pi­tal a patient that can’t take water oraly is given saline (salty water) rec­tally. They did some tri­als in the desert, but unfor­tu­nately you need 1/​2 the con­cen­tra­tion of salt to make it viable.
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