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> <channel><title>Comments on: Drunks, Butts Test Pain Ray; Paris Hilton Next?</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:08:46 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Robert</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152168</link> <dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:19:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152168</guid> <description>They just featured a reporter getting hit with this thing on 60 Minutes (now, 4 Mar 08).  I don&#039;t care if it&#039;s harmless or not.  It&#039;s a torture weapon. Using this on civilians should be considered a war crime.  Beyond that, it is a threat to democracy at home.  &quot;Bull&quot; Connor would have loved this baby in Birmingham, 1963.  Kept everyone it their place, it would have.
I also have some questions based on various comments I&#039;ve read here.  If this thing can deliver enough power to boil the water in a wet &quot;protective&quot; leather garment, why -wouldn&#039;t- it burn the top layer of your flesh rather than merely causing the -sensation- of burning?  It seems to me that if it couldn&#039;t hurt you, it couldn&#039;t deliver the energy needed to defeat a moist-protective barrier.  And if the only reason that it can&#039;t hurt you is some safety mechanism that stops it from delivering too much energy, then the safeties can be defeated to create a lethal weapon.  (Which is in some ways more desirable -- because in the long run it would remove the pretense of this being some sort of &quot;humane&quot; weapon.)
So, when do we start selling this to the Chinese Communist Party to put down strikers?  I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be glad to learn from our own history.  Shooting strikers dead makes you unpopular.  But control them &quot;humanely&quot; (cough) and you might spin the news in your favor -- as long as the comfortable audience at home never suffers the same torture.
This is sheer sickness.  Nothing &quot;cool&quot; about it. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They just featured a reporter getting hit with this thing on 60 Minutes (now, 4 Mar 08).  I don’t care if it’s harmless or not.  It’s a torture weapon. Using this on civilians should be considered a war crime.  Beyond that, it is a threat to democracy at home.  “Bull” Connor would have loved this baby in Birmingham, 1963.  Kept everyone it their place, it would have.<br
/> I also have some questions based on various comments I’ve read here.  If this thing can deliver enough power to boil the water in a wet “protective” leather garment, why –wouldn’t– it burn the top layer of your flesh rather than merely causing the –sensation– of burning?  It seems to me that if it couldn’t hurt you, it couldn’t deliver the energy needed to defeat a moist-protective barrier.  And if the only reason that it can’t hurt you is some safety mechanism that stops it from delivering too much energy, then the safeties can be defeated to create a lethal weapon.  (Which is in some ways more desirable — because in the long run it would remove the pretense of this being some sort of “humane” weapon.)<br
/> So, when do we start selling this to the Chinese Communist Party to put down strikers?  I’m sure they’ll be glad to learn from our own history.  Shooting strikers dead makes you unpopular.  But control them “humanely” (cough) and you might spin the news in your favor — as long as the comfortable audience at home never suffers the same torture.<br
/> This is sheer sickness.  Nothing “cool” about it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JoSchmo</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152167</link> <dc:creator>JoSchmo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:22:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152167</guid> <description>I watched the video: All I saw were paid actors making a commercial, not &quot;actual effects&quot; of the system. The enemy combatants aren&#039;t going to automatically raise their hands and walkinto a conveniently located holding pen in the opposite direction of the RAY GUN&gt; this is more pork, like most of the other SPACE JUNK we&#039;ve been seeing on the Discovery Channel. Who are you trying to kid? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the video: All I saw were paid actors making a commercial, not “actual effects” of the system. The enemy combatants aren’t going to automatically raise their hands and walkinto a conveniently located holding pen in the opposite direction of the RAY GUN&gt; this is more pork, like most of the other SPACE JUNK we’ve been seeing on the Discovery Channel. Who are you trying to kid?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ronald Morris</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152166</link> <dc:creator>Ronald Morris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152166</guid> <description>I have a serious question?  What happens when an ADS system hits the blasting cap or detonator on an IED?  No effect, fry cell phone based remote, detonate cap?  If we had something to detonate IEDs and suicide vests reliably from a distance, and was area of effect as well, now that would be a good item to have. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a serious question?  What happens when an ADS system hits the blasting cap or detonator on an IED?  No effect, fry cell phone based remote, detonate cap?  If we had something to detonate IEDs and suicide vests reliably from a distance, and was area of effect as well, now that would be a good item to have.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: whatareuthinking</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152165</link> <dc:creator>whatareuthinking</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:12:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152165</guid> <description>Just call it the Terrorist Creator. It doesn&#039;t harm enough to stop someone from coming back to fight again but it is going to make them really really mad. Fact is the way you win wars is by Killing People not ma,king them angry or wasting a bunch or money. This will only end up in the hands of all the, couldn&#039;t get a real job with my GED cops who already misuse Tasers and pepper spray. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just call it the Terrorist Creator. It doesn’t harm enough to stop someone from coming back to fight again but it is going to make them really really mad. Fact is the way you win wars is by Killing People not ma,king them angry or wasting a bunch or money. This will only end up in the hands of all the, couldn’t get a real job with my GED cops who already misuse Tasers and pepper spray.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Fang Liang</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152164</link> <dc:creator>Fang Liang</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:37:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152164</guid> <description>Why tinfoils would not work?  I try reading the article again, still see no reason why it would not.  there is mention of metallic object creating hot spots, but I don&#039;t see why covering yourself in metallic foil/mesh would not bounce off the microwave.  I can see how such metallic cloth would bounce the microwave in such an fashion to magnify the cooking effect, but I am not however convinced.  Is it because the high frequency waves are able to penetrate, or go through any seams and openings larger than a few millimeters?  please do tell in detail, I do like to know.  I used to work in an mil. antenna company, and we use fancier version of the kitchen foils all the time, but we work on lower frequencies, and I am Mech Engr, and not so verse in EM as I should, so do tell.
as for being marked as a shinny insurgent...put on another layer of cloth to cover it.
I know that no weapon system is perfect, but do our troops have problem dispersing crowds over there? I just haven&#039;t heard much of mass protests in Iraq.
I don&#039;t know, just think that dish is just a huge target for someone to pop a few bullets into the array, especially in a urban environment where the threat can come from all directions, and there are so many corners that you can hide behind.
Is the array so rubost not to suffer from such small arm fires or minor damages?
What is the beam with of this thing? 30 deg? then you are exposed to 330 deg attacks. I suppose you can scan it, but that&#039;s a big dish to move....
I just don&#039;t know enough about the system at this point, but I just haven herd how this system can be use effectively.  It&#039;s new and a new strategy would need to be develop to use it, but in my mind, it&#039;ll be years before it becomes the magic bullet or even effective.
Like I hear else where, what&#039;s wrong with tear gas? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why tinfoils would not work?  I try reading the article again, still see no reason why it would not.  there is mention of metallic object creating hot spots, but I don’t see why covering yourself in metallic foil/mesh would not bounce off the microwave.  I can see how such metallic cloth would bounce the microwave in such an fashion to magnify the cooking effect, but I am not however convinced.  Is it because the high frequency waves are able to penetrate, or go through any seams and openings larger than a few millimeters?  please do tell in detail, I do like to know.  I used to work in an mil. antenna company, and we use fancier version of the kitchen foils all the time, but we work on lower frequencies, and I am Mech Engr, and not so verse in EM as I should, so do tell.<br
/> as for being marked as a shinny insurgent…put on another layer of cloth to cover it.<br
/> I know that no weapon system is perfect, but do our troops have problem dispersing crowds over there? I just haven’t heard much of mass protests in Iraq.<br
/> I don’t know, just think that dish is just a huge target for someone to pop a few bullets into the array, especially in a urban environment where the threat can come from all directions, and there are so many corners that you can hide behind.<br
/> Is the array so rubost not to suffer from such small arm fires or minor damages?<br
/> What is the beam with of this thing? 30 deg? then you are exposed to 330 deg attacks. I suppose you can scan it, but that’s a big dish to move.…<br
/> I just don’t know enough about the system at this point, but I just haven herd how this system can be use effectively.  It’s new and a new strategy would need to be develop to use it, but in my mind, it’ll be years before it becomes the magic bullet or even effective.<br
/> Like I hear else where, what’s wrong with tear gas?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Emilie</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152163</link> <dc:creator>Emilie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:28:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152163</guid> <description>Those studies can go join the pile with the others, &quot;Tasers Cannot Kill,&quot; &quot;Depleted Uranium is Safe and Effective,&quot; &quot;There is no Gulf War Illness,&quot; and &quot;Flouride is Good for You.&quot;
Why don&#039;t you spend more time figuring out WHY these wars are going on:
http://www.ghosttroop.net
http://www.teamliberty.net/id215.html
If Iran&#039;s desire...is old news, which it is, then why is
it being splashed as breaking headlines across the
world?  Why now?
Iran does pose a real threat [that] the Big Five is not
reporting...In March 2006, Iran will break the seals on
its Iran Oil Bourse....the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse
will accelerate the fall of the American Empire....
I...served ten years in the United States Marine Corps.
Arguably, we are all hawks.  There are wars worth
fighting....Sustaining the Federal Reserve Banking
Cartel...is not one of them. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those studies can go join the pile with the others, “Tasers Cannot Kill,” “Depleted Uranium is Safe and Effective,” “There is no Gulf War Illness,” and “Flouride is Good for You.“<br
/> Why don’t you spend more time figuring out WHY these wars are going on:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.ghosttroop.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghosttroop.net</a><br
/> <a
href="http://www.teamliberty.net/id215.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.teamliberty.net/id215.html</a><br
/> If Iran’s desire…is old news, which it is, then why is<br
/> it being splashed as breaking headlines across the<br
/> world?  Why now?<br
/> Iran does pose a real threat [that] the Big Five is not<br
/> reporting…In March 2006, Iran will break the seals on<br
/> its Iran Oil Bourse.…the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse<br
/> will accelerate the fall of the American Empire.…<br
/> I…served ten years in the United States Marine Corps.<br
/> Arguably, we are all hawks.  There are wars worth<br
/> fighting.…Sustaining the Federal Reserve Banking<br
/> Cartel…is not one of them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Beth</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152162</link> <dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152162</guid> <description>Thanks for keeping this issue in the public eye.
This technology in slightly downgraded form is being used by civians at the present time around the world to commit the &quot;evidence-less&quot; crime.
Directed energy weapons leave no evidence behind except on the victims and that can&#039;t be traced.
Directed energy equipment can be made easily in one&#039;s garage with few components and a few tools, for those who can&#039;t borrow them from a military or DOD contractor&#039;s pipeline due to failures in inventory control and oversight. People are being harmed by these technologies in neighborhoods because these weapons in place of conventional firearms because these don&#039;t leave any traceable evidence or make any noise to attract attention when used. Even the victims don&#039;t always know what hit them.  I agree with you that there needs to be a public demonstration of some kind that is transparent to the public. There should be a pain endurance and side effects trial. I would volunteer for it to spare someone else because I already have been in the line of it&#039;s fire, and it&#039;s hell on earth. This is the technology of the 21st Century. Since the US is in the business of hugely funding these weapons, the citizens need to know what our tax dollars are paying for. It would help people understand also what they may be subjected to by one of their strange neighbors or adversaries when they start feeling undiagnosable pain in the night or they have ringing in the ears and disorientation that defies explanation. This technology is a criminal&#039;s dream, and they don&#039;t have to dream anymore. They have these weapons and use them. Tin foil won&#039;t do anything against these frequencies. Nothing in the civilian sector will. Wake up America and smell the.....burn.
Beth
San Diego </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for keeping this issue in the public eye.<br
/> This technology in slightly downgraded form is being used by civians at the present time around the world to commit the “evidence-less” crime.<br
/> Directed energy weapons leave no evidence behind except on the victims and that can’t be traced.<br
/> Directed energy equipment can be made easily in one’s garage with few components and a few tools, for those who can’t borrow them from a military or DOD contractor’s pipeline due to failures in inventory control and oversight. People are being harmed by these technologies in neighborhoods because these weapons in place of conventional firearms because these don’t leave any traceable evidence or make any noise to attract attention when used. Even the victims don’t always know what hit them.  I agree with you that there needs to be a public demonstration of some kind that is transparent to the public. There should be a pain endurance and side effects trial. I would volunteer for it to spare someone else because I already have been in the line of it’s fire, and it’s hell on earth. This is the technology of the 21st Century. Since the US is in the business of hugely funding these weapons, the citizens need to know what our tax dollars are paying for. It would help people understand also what they may be subjected to by one of their strange neighbors or adversaries when they start feeling undiagnosable pain in the night or they have ringing in the ears and disorientation that defies explanation. This technology is a criminal’s dream, and they don’t have to dream anymore. They have these weapons and use them. Tin foil won’t do anything against these frequencies. Nothing in the civilian sector will. Wake up America and smell the.….burn.<br
/> Beth<br
/> San Diego</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Hambling</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152161</link> <dc:creator>David Hambling</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:34:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152161</guid> <description>Everyone brings up the &#039;kitchen foil&#039; idead - read the article to find out why it won&#039;t work.
It also has an even bigger problem, in that it immediately marks you out as someone the security forces want to get to know better. You might as well carry a sign saying &quot;I&#039;m an insurgent, shoot me&quot; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone brings up the ‘kitchen foil’ idead — read the article to find out why it won’t work.<br
/> It also has an even bigger problem, in that it immediately marks you out as someone the security forces want to get to know better. You might as well carry a sign saying “I’m an insurgent, shoot me”</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Peter</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152159</link> <dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:58:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152159</guid> <description>GENIOUS.  If I had the connections, I&#039;d set this up in a heartbeat.  Anybody with solid network contacts? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GENIOUS.  If I had the connections, I’d set this up in a heartbeat.  Anybody with solid network contacts?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Peter</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2006/12/05/drunks-butts-test-pain-ray-paris-hilton-next/comment-page-1/#comment-152158</link> <dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:48:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2323#comment-152158</guid> <description>GENIOUS.  If I had the connections, I&#039;d set this up in a heartbeat.  Anybody with solid network contacts? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GENIOUS.  If I had the connections, I’d set this up in a heartbeat.  Anybody with solid network contacts?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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