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Home » Drones » Army “Future”: Fewer Drones

Army “Future”: Fewer Drones

The other day, Inside Defense broke the news that the Army was shav­ing bil­lions off of its mas­sive mod­ern­iza­tion pro­gram, Future Combat Systems. Now, we’re start­ing to get some details. Turns out the drones are the ones get­ting the axe.
shadow040922A_0MO6Iabb.jpgFCS orig­i­nally envi­sioned four types and sizes of unmanned aer­ial vehi­cles, or UAVs, buzzing over sol­diers’ heads. The lit­tlest ones would join pla­toons. Slightly big­ger drones would be assigned to com­pa­nies. Batallion com­man­ders would super­vise an even larger UAV. And the biggest of ‘em all — an armed, robotic heli­copter — would work for the brigade.
Those four classes of UAVs are now being trimmed down to two; just the tini­est and the most gar­gan­tuan drones will remain. There will still be other robotic planes in the Army’s arse­nal — the hand-​​held Ravens, the Shadows, and the big, high-​​flying, bad-​​ass Warriors.
But the move is the lat­est in a series of efforts to scale down the once-​​grandiose FCS vision. First to go were the all-​​electric, laser-​​firing, next-​​gen fight­ing vehi­cles. Then, the require­ment that those vehi­cles fit into a C-​​130 trans­port plane. And after that, the high-​​tech uni­forms that were sup­posed to elec­tron­i­cally tie the grunts to the larger Army. With the vehi­cles’ designs still very much in flux — and with the net­work con­nect­ing all of those drones and vehi­cles together still fac­ing major road­blocks — who knows what will be left, when FCS finally deploys?
UPDATE 3:55 AM: Speaking of those lit­tle Raven drones, it looks like the Marines will start using ‘em, too. Inside Defense says that the Corps has given up on its own mini-​​UAV, the Dragon Eye. During the Iraq inva­sion, Marines found the drone “too flimsy,” and didn’t stay in the air nearly long enough. Some fixes were made. But the things still had a nasty habit of “break[ing] apart upon repeated land­ings.” So it’s out with the Dragon Eyes. In with the stur­dier Ravens.

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  1. campbell says:
    December 14, 2006 at 6:34 am

    this is fun. I’m the air­ship guy.
    I pro­pose, instead of UNMANNED aer­ial vehicles.…..One Man RIGID SHELLED air­ships. As easy to fly as hot air bal­loons, linger over­head time lim­ited only by pilots’ endurance, speed slow about 30mph max, day/​night flight.….with a man on board who can make decisions/​communicate with ground troops instead of a robot.…who can use var­i­ous sen­sors such as infra red, sim­ple eye­ball obser­va­tion.…
    such craft would mea­sure about 60′ long, be about 40′ wide, 10’15′ deep.…shaped like Rogallo wing, sim­ple weight shift for alti­tude control.…upper sur­face of RIGID shell made of light­weight plas­tics with thin film solar array for power gen­er­a­tion (avail­able now tech)to elec­tric fan engines for day use.…obviously small com­bus­tion engine for night.….…bottom of RIGID SHELL cov­ered with E-​​PAPER which can then be pro­grammed to change color through white,grey,black…(available now tech) or pro­grammed to form distracting/​misleading shapes located away from pilot.….…pilot lives in cabin with thin light­weight tita­nium floor and Kevlar blankets.….….helium is con­tained within RIGID SHELL in many sep­a­rate Urethane bal­loon “cells”.……
    like I said, fun!
    and effec­tive and do-​​able and inex­pen­sive and vir­tu­ally off-​​the-​​shelf avail­able, imme­di­ately
    turtleair­ships AT hot­mail DOT com

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  2. SC says:
    December 14, 2006 at 9:20 am

    Airships huh? Do they fly at 35,000 feet? I know the unmanned ver­sions are get­ting rolled out but there’s some­thing about a slow-​​moving air­ship in a coun­try full of RPGs and anti­quated AA guns. Does your rigid shell make those bounce?

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  3. campbell says:
    December 14, 2006 at 9:36 am

    (sigh) boy, this sure gets old…but I’ll bite any­way.…
    Nope, rigid shell only makes it more sturdy for ground han­dling and faster speeds.….
    (for­get what peo­ple “know’ about blimps, this is NOT in same class)
    (1) air­ship is silent, doesn’t attract imme­di­ate atten­tion to itself
    (2) air­ship as described has some camoflage abil­ity, mak­ing it less of a tar­get
    (3) at, say, 5,000′ AGL and mov­ing, even at 30mph, its still a dif­fi­cult tar­get.
    (4) rigid shell, of CARBON, with inte­rior of ure­thane would have at least some stealth char­ac­ter­is­tics (re: radar), cer­tainly more than chop­per
    (5) air­ship can still “fly”, or decend very grad­u­ally, even after sus­tain­ing mul­ti­ple hits from ground fire
    (6) attract­ing ground fire would result in obvi­ous suc­cess­ful accom­plish­ment of sur­veilance mis­sions to find enemy forces…and result in tar­get­ing and sup­pres­sion of same.
    bot­tom line…its a cheap, real, effec­tive tool. and Yes, I’d demo the thing myself to prove it.

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  4. Sven Ortmann says:
    December 14, 2006 at 4:06 pm

    Raven is a smaller Dragon Eye …
    By the way, in an inter­est­ing arti­cle about the British troops, Raven doesn’t look well, too.
    http://​www​.nxt​book​.com/​n​x​t​b​o​o​k​s​/​m​h​/​d​t​i​1​1​0​6​/​i​n​d​e​x​.​php
    pp. 26–28

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  5. Gordon says:
    December 14, 2006 at 4:38 pm

    Interesting note. The FCS Class I VTOL UAV was dubbed the “Flying Trash Can” by some peo­ple work­ing on the project. The Army wanted these VTOLs to be $25,000 a piece. The prob­lem is that right now they are $150,000 a piece with­out a pay­load.
    Me thinks that the Army wasn’t real­is­tic on pric­ing, and that this may be the rea­son for Class I scrappin’.

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  6. Nicholas Weaver says:
    December 14, 2006 at 9:55 pm

    You give me a con­tract which would allow me to NOT build to mil-​​spec and I could do them for $25k/​each.
    You want it to work with Jitters, and be to mil spec and every­thing else, $150k is doing pretty damn good.

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  7. Barry says:
    December 15, 2006 at 3:01 pm

    The biggest obvi­ous dis­ad­van­tage of air­ships is wind.

    Reply
  8. pauljs75 says:
    January 4, 2007 at 2:41 am

    Stumbled upon here doing a search on lighter than air rigid enve­lope. Anyhow…
    I’ll also vouch for a rigid enve­lope lighter-​​than-​​air craft. The out­side skin would be a hard, yet thin and light­weight car­bon or kevlar com­pos­ite. The inside would be mylar or ure­thane bags filled with helium. The entire shape would be an aero­foil, pos­si­bly symet­ric. The way to describe it is that it resem­bles a “preg­nant” B-​​2.
    Advantages? Unlike a con­ven­tional lighter than air craft, the hard out­side is designed to not deform at higher speeds. Thus you should be able to sur­pass 100MPH with­out enve­lope defor­ma­tion, so it will not peel like a bananna and self-​​destruct from result­ing tur­bu­lence. (Something that seems to be an issue with typ­i­cal soft-​​skinned lighter than air vehi­cles.) This thing could set lighter than air speed records that would embarass the Graf Zeppelin. Obviously, it will tol­er­ate wind a lot bet­ter than con­ven­tional air­ships due to its pro­file and hard enve­lope.
    The other advan­tage with a rigid com­pos­ite enve­lope, is that by design­ing it as an aero­foil struc­ture — it can do “buoy­ant glid­ing”. That is when pos­i­tively buoy­ant, you can shift the cen­ter of grav­ity back. The buoy­ant force will push it up, and dis­placed air is directed back. So it’s glid­ing for­ward as it goes up with­out any addi­tional propul­sive means. (Think of buoy­ant force act­ing in the place of grav­ity in tra­di­tional glid­ing.) Then you can glide down­ward in the con­ven­tional man­ner by shift­ing the cen­ter of grav­ity for­ward and reduc­ing buoy­ancy. Thus it would be pos­si­ble to engage in for­ward flight by sim­ple use of a buoyant/​gravitational por­pois­ing behav­ior. This would be a very stealthy way to approach, as it would make no more noise other than that of the air being dis­placed by the enve­lope. Also think of it as a really neat way to slow cruise effi­ciently. Then again, if you need it — use the props or fan­jets and you can cruise at more con­ven­tional air­craft speeds.
    Definitely not your typ­i­cal blimp, nor your zep­pelin either. Think of it more as a unique “air­plane that floats”.

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