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Home » Less-lethal » Pain Beam Not Easily Foiled

Pain Beam Not Easily Foiled

My recent pieces on the Active Denial System (ADS) or pain beam sparks dis­cus­sions here and else­where on the web. One of the most com­mon chal­lenges to the device is that the beam of short-​​wavelength microwaves could eas­ily be blocked with tin­foil.
Its not that easy.
Captain Jay Delarosa, spokesman for the Joint Non-​​Lethal Weapons Directorate told me:

“We have con­ducted exten­sive test­ing and have deter­mined that most read­ily avail­able mate­ri­als are not effec­tive as coun­ter­mea­sures against the ADS.

Few peo­ple appre­ci­ate the rea­sons behind this, and even John Pikes oth­er­wise excel­lent GlobalSecurity site claims:

Countermeasures against the weapon could be quite straight­for­ward for exam­ple cov­er­ing up the body with thick clothes or car­ry­ing a metal­lic sheet or even a trash can lid as a shield or reflector.

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As described pre­vi­ously, the beam is at least two meters in diam­e­ter, and the small­est skin expo­sure is enough to cause intol­er­a­ble pain. A red hot poker does not need to be in touch with much skin to make you pull away, and the ADS causes as much pain on your nerve end­ings. A shield will not work unless it cov­ers your whole body and them some, because the ADS beam dif­fracts. According to an arti­cle in Aviation Week & Space Technology last July -

actual tests show that the beams pen­e­trate even minute open­ings or cracks, for exam­ple, and some­times appear almost to wrap around cor­ners to affect fin­gers and feet of those try­ing to hide behind or hold up pro­tec­tive devices.
“The radio fre­quency is hard to block,” Booen says. “Some of the peo­ple tested against tried to hide by lay­ing down behind some con­crete traf­fic bar­ri­ers and the beam went under­neath [where there was uneven con­tact with the ground].”

What about that tin­foil? It will have to cover every square inch and any rips or tears will make it use­less. Joints may be tricky; if you flex foil too many times holes start appear­ing. For vision you will need a metal mesh visor, like the kind they use on microwave oven doors. The prob­lem is, the size of the mesh depends on the wave­length of the radi­a­tion - so short-​​wavelength ADS beam requires some­thing much finer than nor­mal microwave mesh. You also need to think about the effect on your breath­ing, body tem­per­a­ture and com­mu­ni­ca­tion.
While it is the­o­ret­i­cally pos­si­ble to put together an anti-​​ADS armor suit, this is less of a spur-​​of-​​the-​​moment impro­vised under­tak­ing and more of an elab­o­rate work­shop project tak­ing some time and effort. (And by the same token, you could make your­self bullet-​​proof if you used quarter-​​inch steel plate instead of foil.)
Get your suit work­ing and your prob­lems are just begin­ning, as it will quickly iden­tify you as a trou­ble­maker rather than an inno­cent bystander. Separating tourists from ter­ror­ists is one of the ADSs main goals, and as Capt Delarosa says:

If an indi­vid­ual makes exten­sive efforts to counter the effect of a non-​​lethal sys­tem, then they are likely show­ing hos­tile intent and an esca­la­tion of force may be war­ranted based on exist­ing rules of engagement.

The Marines will always ensure that non-​​lethals have lethal backup. Marine Corps Colonel Wade Hall is blunt about the use of ADS in a con­voy pro­tec­tion sce­nario:

“If they try and deflect beams then we will kill them because we know what their inten­tions are”

There is another alter­na­tive. The Pulsed Energy Projectile (PEP), which I described in New Scientist (sub­scribers only) is a non-​​lethal weapon which fires an extremely short laser pulse, pro­duc­ing a plasma flash-​​bang at the tar­get. This could be deployed on the same plat­form as the ADS, using the same power source. Many of the coun­ter­mea­sures that can be envi­sioned against the ADS could be nul­li­fied by the PEP by abla­tion of the defence accord­ing to a Navy study on the effects of plas­mas. Such a laser could chew through a layer of foil with a few pulses.
A PEP might also negate foil with­out hav­ing to blast it away. Ultra-​​short pulses have recently been demon­strated that can turn met­als pitch black , so that the sur­face absorbs incom­ing radi­a­tion and reflec­tive foil is made use­less. This tech­nol­ogy was devel­oped at Rochester’s High Intensity Femtosecond Laser Laboratory ; they are funded by (among oth­ers) DARPA and the Air Force Office of Scientific Research. Well be look­ing more at short pulse lasers in 2007.
There are many ques­tions still remain­ing around the Active Denial System and its effects. But we may safely assume that in the many years of its devel­op­ment the Air Force has taken pos­si­ble coun­ter­mea­sures into account.
UPDATE 5TH JAN Some inter­est­ing responses in the Comments sec­tion.
Leather is no pro­tec­tion; wet leather, like any other wet mate­r­ial, will absorb the beam and heat up. This may sound like a good idea, until you look at the num­bers and realise that it only gives you a few sec­onds extra, then you have extremely hot water/​steam in con­tact with your skin…foil is a bet­ter idea. The issues around damp/​wet cloth, sweat etc were inves­ti­gated a few years back in FWR-2002–0016-H Effects of skin and envi­ron­men­tal con­di­tions on sen­sa­tions evoked by MMW cov­ered this). There was some con­cern about one sub­ject wear­ing a sweater devel­op­ing net­tle rash (urticaria) which is men­tioned in F-BR-2006–0018-H Effects of expo­sure to 400-​​W 95-​​GHz Millimetre Wave Energy on Non-​​stationary Humans , but this did not hap­pen again.
To clar­ify one con­cern, as I under­stand it run­ning away would not make you a tar­get for esca­lated force (like get­ting shot at); turn­ing up in a tin­foil body­suit might do.
And as for Nicholas Weaver’s request “Could you get zapped by it and tell us first hand?” — er, no thanks. It sounds painful. There’s a good first­hand account by Eric Adams in Popular Science here:

“About a half-​​second after ‘One,’ I felt a warm spot on my back. A mil­lisec­ond later the heat inten­si­fied dra­mat­i­cally, as though some­one were press­ing an elec­tric burner hard on my back. I expected to hear siz­zling, to smell burn­ing flesh. The pain exploded to the point where I was no longer actu­ally think­ing, and cer­tainly wasn’t in any sort of con­trol of my reac­tions. With a shout of “Yeow!” I invol­un­tar­ily sprang out of the way.” 

– David Hambling

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  1. Vash says:
    December 29, 2006 at 12:06 pm

    Good read, just one thing. Any armor will become a great deal more effec­tive if its grounded. The tin foil/​mesh will absorb the incom­ing waves, and ground them out, so the armor will be able to resist small holes and tares. Still, it would only be a frac­tion more prac­ti­cal.
    One more dan­ger, is if effec­tive armor is devel­oped and man­u­fac­tured using indus­trial mass pro­duc­tion processes. You know, china would jump on a chance to sell some clothes.
    Oh, and can you mount this thing on a mis­sile deliev­ery plat­form? Just inca­pac­i­tate whole neigh­bour­hoods while a small team of mag­i­cally shielded marines walk around and look for the one guy they need?

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  2. Robot.Economist says:
    December 29, 2006 at 12:24 pm

    Given the government’s obses­sion with force pro­tec­tion, I won­der if this means every U.S. sol­dier will now be issued a suit of 13th Century chain­mail or maybe even 14th Century chain/​plate combo armor? You know, to pro­tect them against the threat of ‘enemy’ area denial sys­tems. This would be in addi­tion to their flak jack­ets and those chem­i­cal war­fare suits they have to carry with them everywhere.

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  3. Nicholas Weaver says:
    December 29, 2006 at 1:23 pm

    David, on your excel­lent arti­cles, one thing…
    Could you get zapped by it and tell us first hand? Then recruit the Jackass crew for your real­ity show… If it can stop them, it can stop anyone.

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  4. Byron Skinner says:
    December 29, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    Good Morning Folks,
    Does this means mean a 50’s, 1957–58 to be exact, Fashion fad is back in “Vogue”, the “Tin Foil Hat”.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

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  5. DS says:
    December 29, 2006 at 1:58 pm

    Excellent read. PEP’s are an excit­ing area of research. Another intru­ig­ing idea is that of using lasers to ion­ize the air to the tar­get and trans­mit­ting high volt­age over the ion­ized paths to either dis­able IED’s or stun the tar­get. Cool stuff on the horizon.

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  6. compton_effect says:
    December 30, 2006 at 12:36 am

    In cer­tain sce­nar­ios the weak spot of the sys­tem is the oper­a­tor.
    Hostages. Human shields, so to speak. Preferably cap­tured troops or children.

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  7. n/a says:
    December 30, 2006 at 8:40 am

    I think all _​these_​ non-​​lethal ray guns are irrel­e­vant, and here is why.
    Lets say they are a part a of con­voy defense in a hos­tile area. The day after their bril­liant debut, the word will be spread and the coun­ter­mesures used will be an IED and/​or a bunch of semi-​​literate guys with RPGs and/​or SVDs on the roofs or wher­ever it suits. They will take out the giz­mos, and then it will come down to the usual. Net com­bat effect for the ray guns: zero.
    Lets see if it is use­ful in urban crowd con­trol in a politically-​​sensitive area, where the machine gun shoot­ing and shelling sprees are not an option. Just a few quick points:
    – A city is a 3D space, full of invis­i­ble eyes and ears.
    – The mobile com­mu­ni­ca­tions allow the crowd to be at least one step ahead.
    – The LOS in the big cities is usu­ally small enough for the usual stones and fire­bombs.
    – Any such con­fronta­tion is on the crowd’s home ground.
    – Remember the storm­ing of Grozny, Chechnya, just 12 years ago. With just about any wit, any vehi­cles can be eas­ily blocked in urban canyons. Than dis­abled in an eye­blink, if desired. You can make your own con­clu­sions.
    BTW#1: Based solely on its method of oper­a­tion, the 94GHz beam should have a prob­lem get­ting through a leather soaked in salt water.
    BTW#2: The ADS as a sys­tem can be dis­abled by a less-​​than-​​the-​​best col­lege stu­dent covertly, with much greater stand-​​off, non-​​lethally, and for a price of a small party. There are peo­ple here who are at the bet­ter than the said com­pe­tence level, so there is no need for a detailed expla­na­tion. I’ll just call it the “B-​​ray”. :)

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  8. pedestrian says:
    December 30, 2006 at 12:40 pm

    Can PEP be mod­i­fied for more power to become lethal and cre­ate very strong explo­sions that matches tra­di­tional explosives?

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  9. Schrecken Strahl says:
    December 31, 2006 at 12:17 am

    This thing is totally sinister.…sounds like some­thing out of a bad horror/​sci-​​fi movie in that it can appar­ently “get” you even if you think you’re safe! But then again, I sup­pose it is rather log­i­cal that the energy can get around objects.….being that microwaves are part of the elec­tro­mag­netic spec­trum and there­fore behave much like vis­i­ble light — you stand in the shade on a sunny day and you still get hit with reflected light.…such reflect­ing is inevitable.
    But as for counter mea­sures, I had been think­ing about leather too — after­all, leather is essen­tially skin, albeit dead skin. Suppose some­one was cov­ered head to toe in leather (the face would be tough if you wanted to see where you are going)? Surely that would tend to mit­i­gate the effects of the beam. Leather is not an uncom­mon cloth­ing item and there­fore would prob­a­bly attract lit­tle atten­tion (say, if there were a lot of bik­ers around) in a crowd.
    Also, sup­pose they used it in an area of extreme cold? People bun­dled up in heavy clothes + exposed skin being very cold to begin with could dampen or retard the effects.…
    It would also be inter­est­ing to find out how (or if) they intend to warn aggres­sors that they are about to be fired upon. What would they say, “Stop or we’ll microwave!”? Suppose no warn­ing was given — it’s hard to imag­ine that peo­ple wouldn’t panic and pee their pants when hit by an invis­i­ble wall of “fire”! Worse yet, I’d imag­ine that most peo­ple don’t know this thing even exists — the only rea­son I know is that I was research­ing info to write a sci­ence fic­tion novel and I stum­bled across this stuff. Think about it.…all other weapons you can see or hear (and often both).…people lit­er­ally wouldn’t know what hit them with this.…
    But seri­ously, this is one very cool, very awe­some and very nasty device!

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  10. deep-thinker says:
    December 31, 2006 at 3:44 am

    It seems that many of those com­ment­ing aren’t aware of the physics here. As was said by Mr. Hambling, to be able to see one would need a fine metal mesh sim­i­lar to that incoro­prated in the door of a microwave oven but with finer mesh due to the wave­length of the RF energy.
    The holes in the mesh of your microwave are about 1/​16th of an inch in diam­e­ter. The RF energy emit­ted by this sys­tem can eas­ily pro­pogate through a hole smaller than that, so your “leather soaked in salt water” needs to be with­out seams, button-​​holes, or zip­pers as these all pro­vide ingress paths for the energy. Oh, and it needs to encase you head to toe, as well. Again, with­out any gaps.
    Keep in mind also that this is not a stand-​​alone item. When agen­cies or orga­ni­za­tions need to dis­perse crowds, do they only use one method or do they deploy mul­ti­ple tech­nolo­gies? When riot police are deployed, aren’t there usu­ally armored vehi­cles with water can­non, tear gas, etc? Not to men­tion the other offi­cers in back with the fire extin­guish­ers and fully-​​lethal weapons.
    This sys­tem was devel­oped for use in sit­u­a­tions where crowds/​mobs are dif­fi­cult to con­trol, dis­cour­age, and dis­perse because the only tools at hand are lethal. Even rub­ber bul­lets can kill, as every­one must have heard in the past.
    Just ask those fas­cist crap­head cops that were at Kent State in the ‘60s, or the Britixh forces that camped out in Northern Ireland for decades, or any embassy per­son­nel that have ever watched a demon­stra­tion out­side tthe com­pound walls, or what­ever.
    Hostages are a non-​​issue, as the sys­tem doesn’t cause phys­i­cal harm. The hostages and kid­nap­pers alike will be in excru­ci­at­ing pain, ren­der­ing them unable to func­tion.
    Upon due con­sid­er­a­tion, I can imag­ine that per­sons under the influ­ence might be able to ignore the effects of the sys­tems. After all, if a guy on PCP can take a num­ber of bul­lets to his torso and keep fight­ing, then this sys­tem won’t help in that one instance. But then we go back to the lethal options again.

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  11. JFK says:
    January 1, 2007 at 6:13 am

    I can­not believe how EVIL peo­ple can be. To think that the users of such devices are not the per­pe­tra­tors of wrong-​​doing, is to be totally blind and totally igno­rant.
    Shame on those who invent or use such devices against inno­cent peo­ple.
    Disgusting Miliary and Political minds…
    D I S G U S T I N G

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  12. John T says:
    January 1, 2007 at 9:51 am

    They are going to use it on YOU. The American people.

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  13. nomi says:
    January 1, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    I have been tar­geted by an orga­nized group of per­sons, unknown to me, who are malev­o­lently using var­i­ous mil­i­tary grade weapons,directed energy weapons,including but not lim­ited to elec­tro­mag­netic weapons, microwave weapons, radiofre­quency weapons to assault me con­tin­u­ously around the clock. There are many oth­ers sim­i­larly sit­u­ated.
    I have found no shield­ing. Does any­one have any ideas about shield­ing.
    This is tor­ture and crimes against humanity.

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  14. Shayne says:
    January 1, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    I will never cease to be amazed by the ing­i­nu­ity of the human race when it comes to tor­ture. Just when I think I have heard it all…
    By the way, since when have new wheapons only been used on the enemy. They always find their way into pri­vate hands.

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  15. melanie says:
    January 1, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    it is ALUMINUM FOIL…get with the program!

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  16. G.L.W. says:
    January 1, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    What both­ers me is how effec­tive the ADS could be if used on demon­stra­tors and pro­test­ers at home in America. If it works so well, it will really dis­cour­age and pos­si­ble make it very dif­fi­cult for pro­test­ers who are essen­tial in any democ­racy. Tear gas and rub­ber bul­lets are pos­si­ble to tol­er­ate to a degree but this thing seems too much like a sure fire dissper­sal tool to me.

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  17. jeR says:
    January 1, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    deal with it peo­ple. i did.
    good­luck and take the blue pill.

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  18. KATSESAMA says:
    January 3, 2007 at 12:10 am

    Gentlemen,once again it is time
    for good ol uncle KATSESAMA to chime in,
    so brace your­selves for a sober­ing micro-​​wave
    blast of truth.
    the fact that noah is share­ing infor­ma­tion over
    the net about ADS pretty much insures a well
    informed pub­lic as to the real­ity of this tech.
    Now,knowing this,how is it that still,some of you
    out there think it could be used with­out our
    consent,against us? In light of that its pretty
    fool­ish to con­tinue prop­ing up the­o­ries of
    gov­ern­ment con­spir­acy where said gov­ern­ment would
    use ADS on the cit­i­zenry.
    let me gen­tly remind you all were you live​.in a
    free democratic,constitutional republic.not some
    imaginary,big-brother,totalitarianistic regime as
    some who have posted here in the past seem to so
    ardently believe.any hint that tha admin­is­tra­tion
    were going to uti­lize this weapon on the pub­lic
    would more then likely be plas­tered over the net
    faster then sadam’s exe­cu­tion video.Thus quosh­ing
    any con­trar­ian fan­tasies of evil repub­li­can empire
    and sub­ju­ga­tion.
    As far as it being inhu­mane? well,compared to what
    the insur­gant fanat­ics do to peo­ple to keep them
    in line,its a gentle,feathery tickle by com­par­i­son
    so lets not equate it so fast with torture,as those whom we would use this against uti­lize real
    tor­ture as a mat­ter of fact way of doing bussi­ness
    But,as iv’e posted previously,those who believe
    that were liv­ing in the mod­ern day equiv­a­lent to
    nazi ger­many will not be swayed because their too
    wrapped up in their fan­tasies to under­stand that
    for our nations enemies,it would be far bet­ter to
    recieve what amounts to a severe sun-​​tan then a
    marines well placed bullet.‘Nuff said.

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  19. Lee Femling says:
    January 3, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    Clearly any pro­tec­tion will have to be mag­netic in nature

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  20. Ivan Stojic says:
    January 3, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    A quote from the article:

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  21. Rayon says:
    January 4, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Those of you stu­pid enough to believe this weapon is not des­tined for use in domes­tic crowd con­trol sit­u­a­tions need to study his­tory a tad more thor­oughly. This web­site might help.
    http://​www​.gnn​.tv/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​s​/​2​5​6​3​/​R​u​m​s​f​e​l​d​_​s​_​G​u​i​n​e​a​_​P​igs

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  22. Dr. Love says:
    January 28, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    “To clar­ify one con­cern, as I under­stand it run­ning away would not make you a tar­get for esca­lated force (like get­ting shot at); turn­ing up in a tin­foil body­suit might do.“
    I think this pretty much sums it up. Unless you’re in a large unruly crowd, I don’t think you need worry about this sys­tem. It would seem less irri­tat­ing than tear gas or a fire hose, and cer­tainly less irri­tat­ing than 7.62mm NATO.

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  23. Randall Flagg says:
    January 31, 2007 at 4:03 pm

    Anybody who thinks this gad­get won’t be used on pris­on­ers strapped to tables is liv­ing in a dream­world. It is the per­fect tor­ture device.

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  24. ellend2 says:
    November 5, 2007 at 10:03 pm

    Bush should be impeached. The use of
    these weapons on Americans is clearly
    in vio­la­tion of their con­sti­tu­tional
    rights. (California, please note what
    is being done to you on the cover of the
    February issue of Popular Science 2007).

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  25. john says:
    November 18, 2008 at 12:10 am

    KATSESAMA, even though you are (noth­ing per­sonal, no, really!) delu­sional beyond com­pre­hen­sion in your trust in the benev­o­lence of our gov­ern­ment and the abil­ity of the pub­lic and media to restrain its evil activ­i­ties, in this case you are still by and large cor­rect about the deploy­ment of the ADS unit as reported. That big hum­mer is not going into the streets of America, and mak­ing the gen­eral pop­u­la­tion hop around in the field of its par­tic­u­larly nasty tune with­out a bunch of peo­ple know­ing about it.
    That is not the wor­ri­some issue here. When the other per­son men­tioned “tor­ture”, did you or any­one else seri­ously envi­sion the hum­mer pulling up at the back of a prison in some south­ern state and doing their evil in the pub­lic eye?
    DARPA and the JNLWP have teamed up with the DOJ and with this, devel­oped var­i­ous appli­ca­tions of this tech­nol­ogy with some pretty nasty vari­a­tions. 95 Ghz at a lower power level than the unit in this arti­cle sim­ply causes dis­com­fort, and that over long peri­ods of time is tor­ture. They have hand­held units being used by DOJ per­son­nel in our com­mu­ni­ties right now, they call it “sur­veil­lance” and they use it to drive out “unde­sir­ables”, not con­victed of any crim­i­nal activ­ity, and it’s per­fectly legal under Bush’s new FBI guide­lines for inves­ti­ga­tions.
    Our gov­ern­ment is full of bureau­crats that are out of con­trol. Wake up, Pollyanna.

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