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Home » Nukes » Mr. Plow eagerly awaits nuclear war

Mr. Plow eagerly awaits nuclear war

Mr_Plow.gifStep off, Al Gore. I, with a lit­tle help from an eager group of atmos­pheric sci­en­tists, have found a quick fix to global warm­ing. All we need is a hand­ful of nuclear weapons! They can even be small ones!
Youre prob­a­bly think­ing that the heat is mess­ing with my mind. A slew of stud­ies released in the past few months, though, has con­firmed that using nuclear weapons could sig­nif­i­cantly — per­haps even cat­a­stroph­i­cally — cool the planet.
This phe­nom­e­non was first stud­ied towards the end of the Cold War, in the early 1980s. The idea was that the smoke and car­bon par­ti­cles released by fires (in turn caused by nuclear attacks on cities, where much of the world’s fuel is stored) could have sim­i­lar cool­ing effects to those known to be caused by the ash released in major vol­canic erup­tions — only worse (due to phys­i­cal and chem­i­cal dif­fer­ences between ash and smoke). A sem­i­nal study in 1983, often called TTAPS (after its authors), con­firmed this hypoth­e­sis and coined the term “nuclear win­ter.“
Even using extremely crude mod­el­ing, TTAPS pro­jected that a mas­sive nuclear exchange between Russia and the U.S. could cause cat­a­strophic cool­ing in the con­ti­nen­tal inte­ri­ors — a change of as much as –35 degrees C (-63 degrees F). For com­par­i­son, the last global ice age, at its peak, saw aver­age global cool­ing of only –5 degrees C (-9 degrees F) — though the cool­ing at con­ti­nen­tal inte­ri­ors would have been more dras­tic. Later stud­ies con­cluded that these changes would per­sist for around 3 years.
Nuclear win­ter stud­ies con­tin­ued until 1990 and then ceased abruptly (pre­sum­ably the end of the Cold War sucked the urgency out of the issue). This fall, how­ever, Alan Robock of Rutgers University and some of his col­leagues have pub­lished sev­eral new stud­ies on nuclear win­ter — the first such stud­ies in almost 20 years.
nuclearwinter.JPGClimate mod­els today — and the com­put­ers to run them — are con­sid­er­ably more sophis­ti­cated than those of the early 1980s. Using these improved mod­els, Robock et al. con­firmed that the nuclear win­ter the­ory holds, in gen­eral. The tem­per­a­ture effects for a mas­sive nuclear exchange should actu­ally be slightly less extreme than orig­i­nally pre­dicted, but accord­ing to the new model they would last for over a decade, rather than just for a few years.
Taking a com­pletely new approach, one study also exam­ined a sce­nario no one both­ered to con­sider dur­ing the Cold War: a regional nuclear con­flict. They found that mas­sive, superpower-​​style nuclear exchanges are not required to force major cli­mate change. Even a rel­a­tively small nuclear exchange between, say, India and Pakistan, could cause aver­age global sur­face cool­ing of over 1 degree C (1.8 degrees F) and peak cool­ing at con­ti­nen­tal inte­ri­ors of around 4 degrees C (7 degrees F).
Interestingly, the stud­ies found that the per­sis­tence of the cli­mate changes did not depend on the size of the nuclear exchange. In other words, the cli­mate effects from a regional nuclear war would last just as long as those from a global nuclear war, though they would be less extreme.
Recent mod­el­ing has also con­firmed that nuclear exchanges will dras­ti­cally reduce global pre­cip­i­ta­tion, by as much as –45% for a mas­sive super­power exchange and –10% for a regional exchange. In the for­mer case, for instance, Northern Hemisphere mon­soon sea­sons would dis­ap­pear entirely.
These stud­ies have weak­nesses — for instance, they assume nuclear weapons will only tar­get cities, where most smoke-​​generating fuel is gath­ered, rather than iso­lated mil­i­tary instal­la­tions — but col­lec­tively they are a rea­son­able step towards updat­ing the sci­ence of nuclear win­ter. After such a long hia­tus, with nuclear pro­lif­er­a­tion loom­ing in Asia and the Middle East, and even though nuclear win­ter itself is rather ter­ri­fy­ing, I find it reas­sur­ing that long-​​neglected effects of nuclear weapons are being stud­ied anew.
– Eric Hundman
(Special thanks to Haninah for the illus­tra­tion!)
UPDATE 7:10 PM: Russell Seitz says the whole nuclear win­ter thing has been over­sold.
UPDATE 01/​05/​06 4:25 PM: Eric rebuts the rebut­tal, here.

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  1. campbell says:
    January 3, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    yeah. I saw that new study. But for a very long time prior to that, my response to “global warm­ing!” has been a soft reply of “nuclear winter”.….(loved the vin­di­ca­tion of my
    smart-​​aleck atti­tude)
    only.…my thought has been.…not a small nuclear exchange between war­ring factions.…but how bout a delib­er­ate, many sites, attempt at set­ting off vol­canos using nukes inside of them?
    DARPA.….eat your hearts out! heh heh

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  2. BT says:
    January 3, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    Climate engi­neer­ing! I hope no one has the huber­ous to think they can accu­rately pre­dict and mod­ify the global cli­mate (Art Bell aside). We will one day be able to do this, but not for a few hun­dred years. Unless one thinks that all the land masses will either be under­wa­ter or a desert (Al Gore), why even attempt such as dan­ger­ous and unpre­dictable effort, regard­less of the tools we have?
    I believe Carl Sagan dreamt up the “nuclear win­ter” and his end of life scen­rio to scare peo­ple of nuclear war, so now we would use them to save life. Bad idea, there are bet­ter ideas to try, if you want to block some of the sun’s energy, and effec­tively “cool” the planet.

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  3. Glenn Charles says:
    January 3, 2007 at 8:08 pm

    Just for the record–‘hubris’ not ‘huber­ous’. Had to think about it for about 20 sec­onds, though.
    Glenn
    8]

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  4. Gary says:
    January 3, 2007 at 8:09 pm

    I sup­pose when the 12th Imam finally comes out of the well, and the fun kicks off between Iran and Israel we’ll get the chance to prove or dis­prove this lit­tle ditty.
    Just so long as we don’t get to expe­ri­ence the THREADS movie as well!

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  5. George Skinner says:
    January 4, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    Has any­one attempted to val­i­date the nuclear win­ter hypoth­e­sis using data from the period around World War 2? If it’s cor­rect, I would think that the mas­sive bomb­ing cam­paigns against Germany and Japan should’ve gen­er­ated some per­tur­ba­tion in the climate.

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  6. Big D says:
    January 4, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    How many MT of war­heads were det­o­nated on the sur­face of the planet dur­ing the period 1945–1955?
    And how much of an impact did *that* have on the weather?
    Sheesh.

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  7. Eric Hundman says:
    January 5, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    Seitz bases his post on a *1986* piece he wrote for the National Interest claim­ing that the orig­i­nal nuclear win­ter model was incor­rect — he finds vin­di­ca­tion by com­par­ing the orig­i­nal results to those in Robock’s new study (which he also claims is faulty) which shows much more mod­est results.
    While the new study he cites does show a much more mod­est effect, this is pri­mar­ily because it depicts a rad­i­cally dif­fer­ent sce­nario: 100 nukes exchanged between India and Pakistan, total­ing ~1.5 MT, rather than hun­dreds or thou­sands of nukes between the USSR and USA, total­ing 100 MT — 5000 MT.
    Seitz appears to have ignored or failed to read a com­pan­ion study (also by Robock et al) which *did* revisit the sce­nario exam­ined in the orig­i­nal study he took issue with — and it found results sim­i­lar, if not iden­ti­cal, to the orig­i­nal study, even using far more sophis­ti­cated mod­els. He never men­tions this in his blog post.
    Note, for exam­ple, the fig­ure Seitz has cre­ated. The curve he links to with “All that’s left of Sagan’s Big Chill today” and attempts to super­im­pose on the TTAPS curve is, again, drawn from the most recent model of a *regional* nuclear exchange — not the revis­i­ta­tion of the TTAPS sce­nario. It is, at the least, mis­lead­ing to com­pare the two directly and it is cer­tainly incor­rect to con­clude on that basis that the TTAPS results have been refuted.
    Seitz also makes other incor­rect claims. For instance, in para­graph 8, he says “they have tweaked the soft­ware to arbi­trar­ily loft [soot] into the stratos­phere.” So far as I can tell, the authors inserted the car­bon into the upper *tro­pos­phere* and the model — which con­tains its own mod­ule to cal­cu­late aerosol par­ti­cle behav­ior and seems to be widely accepted as one of the best and most accu­rate avail­able — showed that the par­ti­cles would be lofted into the stratos­phere.
    In com­mu­ni­ca­tion, Seitz also claimed that the orig­i­nal TTAPS study, like the new study, mod­eled a “regional” exchange. In fact, the old study appar­ently did model one sce­nario it called a “regional” exchange (lim­ited to Europe), but accord­ing to Seitz him­self this exchange too involved 100 MT of total yield — nearly a fac­tor of 100 greater than that exam­ined in the new regional exchange study.
    I am cer­tainly not an atmos­pheric sci­en­tist (nei­ther, by the way, is Russell Seitz), so I never intended to claim that the new stud­ies are with­out flaws. But it doesn’t take an atmos­pheric sci­en­tist to see the fatal flaws in Seitz’s claims — all it takes is read­ing the studies.

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  8. Russell Seitz says:
    January 5, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    Hundman’s piece is evi­dently unin­formed by such con­tem­po­rary cri­tiques of TTAPS and its bio­log­i­cal con­se­quences as: Nuclear Winter Re-​​appraised” by Schneider & Thompson of the National Centerfor Atmospheric Research, which appeared in Foreign Affairs in 1986, and Kerry Emmanuel’s harsh crit­i­cism in Nature :, which referred to them as hav­ing become “noto­ri­ous for their lack of sci­en­tific integrity. I think he went over the top– nuclear win­ter may not make the grade as what philoso­phers of lan­guage style ” a rigid des­ig­na­tor in the set of real phe­nom­ena” but is a cau­tion­ary exam­ple of hype, not hoax.
    If any­thing is fatally flawed, it is Hundman’s fail­ure to acknowl­edge that the old and new stud­ies quan­ti­ta­tively over­lap in terms of the quan­tity of black car­bon injected into the model atmos­pheres. In the mod­els , that para­me­ter is inde­pen­dent of the ‘war’ sce­nario whether real­is­tic or absurd.The melt­down I refer to spans not just the 30 plus degree dif­fer­ence between the old results and the new , but the gross dif­fer­ence in the opti­cal depth and the reduc­tion in sun­light– ‘nuclear win­ter’ entered the lan­guage as an apt descrip­tion of the after­math of a mil­lion fold reduc­tion in sun­light, not one of ten watts per square meter or less.
    Many dis­ci­plines deem a two order of mag­ni­tude crack-​​up grounds for pub­lish­ing a retrac­tion– not this one — instead we are see­ing stonewalling in defense of the orig­i­nal exer­cise in seman­tic aggression.Paul Crutzen got it right when he pub­lished the orig­i­nal hypoth­e­sis in 1983 under the rubric “Twilight at Noon.
    Hundman is cor­rect to chide me for refer­ring to the 300 Mb ele­va­tion at which Robock et al inject black aerosols as ” the stratos­phere” that is off by about 10–15% depend­ing on lat­i­tude . I should have stuck to high as Mt Everest” as the met­ric for kick­ing mass upstairs in the face of grav­ity — but one exam­ple of why” you don’t have to be an atmos­pheric sci­en­tist” to under­stand why many of that fra­ter­nity are grow­ing tired of the same old cohort stretch­ing the lim­its of sci­en­tific –and strate­gic plau­si­bil­ity to delay the inter­ment of the orig­i­nal snow job in the fac­toid ceme­tery along­side the “Energy Crisis” and the “Population Bomb.“
    Hundman sim­ply errs in char­ac­ter­iz­ing my reprint­ing the 1986 arti­cle ver­ba­tim as a cri­tique of the present papers — its sub­ject is TTAPS, and it speaks for itself.
    Though relieved at not being called an atmos­pheric sci­en­tist, my mod­est con­tri­bu­tions to the study of the large scale gen­er­a­tion and ( rarely) global atmos­pheric trans­port of dust and smoke were pub­lished under peer review in Nature and Naturwissenschaften in 1986 and 1988. My cri­tique of Sagan’s Winter 1983 Foreign Affairs arti­cle appeared there in 1984. I hope Hundman reads it too.

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  9. Russell Seitz says:
    January 5, 2007 at 11:23 pm

    May I also make a col­le­gial sug­ges­tion to Eric– would he please pre­vail upon Robock & Co to dis­play the first 400 days od _​all_​ of their time-​​temperature curves for _​all_​ of their’nuclear win­ter’ sce­nar­ios nicely drawn atop and to the iden­ti­cal scale as the famous TTAPS fig­ure?
    We’ll all feel bet­ter when they do.

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