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Home » Nukes » Nuke Grenade: Indestructable

Nuke Grenade: Indestructable

dirty-bomb-ch_small.jpgIf you’re stand­ing near Sharon Weinberger, be care­ful. Her head may explode, after read­ing this post.
Despite her best efforts — includ­ing a whole freakin’ book — to explain to folks that a nuclear hand grenade vio­lates science’s most basic prin­ci­ples, the idea just won’t die. The lat­est exam­ple: OK, OK… it’s from Maxim, not the New Republic or Foreign Policy. But still, the fact that the nuke grenade (also known as the “hafnium bomb”) sur­vives a basic fact-​​check — from any mag­a­zine — says some­thing about the imag­i­nary weapon’s durability.

Get ready for an adrenaline-​​pumping inter­na­tional game of dodge­ball. For years — and to the tune of $10 mil­lion so far — the Department of Energy has been pur­su­ing the idea of nuclear grenades, hand­held weapons that could yield kilo­tons of destruc­tive power thanks to one cen­tral ingre­di­ent: super­ex­cited ele­ments called iso­mers. A golf ball hold­ing the energy of just one halfnium 178 iso­mer– the ele­ment being con­sid­ered for use in the weapon — would con­tain the equiv­a­lent of 10 tons of explo­sives. The moment researchers dis­cover the best way to trig­ger the release of that energy…we’re all screwed!

(Big ups: JH)

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  1. David Hambling says:
    January 9, 2007 at 2:50 am

    I’ve been on this one for quite a while now… http://​www​.new​sci​en​tist​.com/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​.​n​s​?​i​d​=​d​n​4​049
    I’m sure Sharon would be the first to agree that the con­cept is not phys­i­cally impos­si­ble — iso­mer trig­ger­ing is an accepted sci­en­tific fact — the issue is over whether the spe­cific approach taken using Hafnium 178m2 will release enough energy in the right way. This remains the sub­ject of heated debate.
    (If the Hafnium bomb was viable, you do have to ask what mea­sures would be taken to pro­tect the tech­nol­ogy and whether dis­in­for­ma­tion would fig­ure.)
    Also, I don’t think either Sharon or Carl Collins (orig­i­na­tor of the con­cept) have men­tioned the source of the ‘hand grenade’ tag, which Collins used as a graphic way of describ­ing the power of the nuclear iso­mers. I believe it comes from an old Bob Hope enter-​​taining-​​the-​​troops gag, which ran roughly:
    “You know what they’ve got now? An atomic hand grenade. It destroys every­thing for a hun­dred yards.
    Problem is, it’s so heavy you can only throw it fifty yards.“
    The gag was applied incor­rectly to the Davy Crockett ‘atomic bazooka’, and in the case of the Hafnium bomb it back­fired too as peo­ple imme­di­ately think it sounds like a dumb idea. In real­ity, nobody has ever sug­gested a hand grenade rather than a warhead.

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  2. JH says:
    January 9, 2007 at 3:25 am

    I sent Noah that New Scientist arti­cle along with the Maxim arti­cle. I won­der why he didn’t men­tion or quote that?

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  3. Geoff Broomberg says:
    January 9, 2007 at 7:29 am

    When Alli Akba Kaboom gets his claws on this cute lit­tle thermo nuclear device, he won’t be throw­ing it.……72 vir­gins is pretty tempt­ing to those who con­sider sheep cute in cer­tain light­ing! With help from the Rising Dragon, this note is going to become due in brimstone.

    Reply
  4. Noah Shachtman says:
    January 9, 2007 at 10:48 am

    JH: I *do* give you credit, right at the bot­tom of the piece!

    Reply
  5. bladewriter says:
    January 9, 2007 at 11:23 am

    The hafnium bomb is absolute crap. None of the legit­i­mate nuclear physics groups — not one — has been able to repro­duce Collins’ shoddy work on trig­gered depop­u­la­tion of the hafnium K iso­mer. There is no heated debate — only fig­ur­ing out
    how Collins could have gone so badly wrong and why
    any­one is still tak­ing this seri­ously.
    Would some­one care to define “not phys­i­cally impos­si­ble”? Go learn some­thing about quan­tum mechan­ics, nuclear decay chan­nels, for­bid­den tran­si­tions, and then come back and tell us about “phys­i­cally impos­si­ble.” As long as engi­neers like Tony Tether dis­re­gard knowl­edgable advice from groups like the JASONS, the gov’t will con­tinue to piss mil­lions up the rope.

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  6. Geoff Broomberg says:
    January 9, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Bladewriter: If some­thing is “not phys­i­cally impos­si­ble” as you put it, then accord­ing to your own logic it is pos­si­ble! Hypothisis “spin­ning” around the fur­ther con­cen­tra­tion of fis­si­ble diodes is evolov­ing into the­ory even as we chicken peck our back­seat quar­ter­back­ing into cyber­land. I’m no doom­screamer but blood­lust increased expone­tially will sta­tis­ticly even­tu­ally yeild a win for the odor chal­lenged. There is huge profit in war so don’t expect the bankers to halt the flow of rev­enue to those who want a golf ball that can blow up Park Avenue.

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  7. JH says:
    January 9, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    Noah, I wasn’t talk­ing about giv­ing me some credit. I was refer­ring to you not dis­cussing the New Scientist article.

    Reply
  8. Russell Seitz says:
    January 9, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    Gentlemen: This is no humbug–it’s a com­plete crock in the same league as Cold Fusion and the Puckle Gun–
    After three cycles of fail­ing to pro­duce any repro­ducible results , the par­a­digm seems to be ’ if we had twelve orders of mag­ni­tude more ham we could make a pig’s ear. But we don’t-so lets apply for an ear­marked mus­tard research grant.…‘
    Poor Martin Stickley– he shoulda lis­tened to JASON.

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  9. David Hambling says:
    January 10, 2007 at 2:34 am

    I’m intrigued that peo­ple are so absolute in con­demn­ing this, when Tantalum-​​180 iso­mer trig­ger­ing is unques­tioned. Nuclear iso­mers are here to stay.
    As I said, this looks more like an aca­d­e­mic feud than an ratio­nal debate. When terms like ‘an absolute crock’ replace rea­soned dis­cus­sion of results — and in a rar­efied field like quan­tum nucle­on­ics — then you know you have problems.

    Reply
  10. robert chittenden says:
    January 19, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    why wont this idea work? we have the sci­ence, a true hand thrown grenade that has a mas­sive yeild.why not, if you can set it as to make a clean get­away i could see many uses for this idea>

    Reply
  11. robert chittenden says:
    January 19, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    why wont this idea work? we have the sci­ence, a true hand thrown grenade that has a mas­sive yeild.why not, if you can set it as to make a clean get­away i could see many uses for this idea>

    Reply
  12. robert chittenden says:
    January 19, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    why wont this idea work? we have the sci­ence, a true hand thrown grenade that has a mas­sive yeild.why not, if you can set it as to make a clean get­away i could see many uses for this idea>

    Reply
  13. Yael says:
    June 15, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    look­ing for geff broomberg

    Reply

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