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Home » Drones » Killer Drone Clings to Life

Killer Drone Clings to Life

Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles, or UCAVs, have a rather sad his­tory in the U.S. mil­i­tary. When the General Atomics RQ-​​1 Predator proved, in the 1990s, that you could arm a medium-​​sized sur­veil­lance drone with air-​​to-​​ground weapons and turn it into an elu­sive, lethal and rel­a­tively cheap hunter-​​killer, folks in the Pentagon got real excited. They wanted to take that basic con­cept, throw some money at it and see what hap­pened if you designed a drone from the ground-​​up to be a killer. Boeing was work­ing on one of these so-​​called UCAVs, the X-​​45, for the Air Force. Northrop Grumman, mean­while, had the X-​​47, which was beefed up for Navy use. Both pro­grams were joint efforts with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or Darpa. Looking to boost economies of scale, in 2003 the Pentagon brought both X-​​planes into the same pro­gram, called Joint-​​Unmanned Combat Air System. As J-​​UCAS picked up steam, Darpa relin­quished con­trol in 2005 and the mil­i­tary took over. A fly-​​off was immi­nent. The future looked bright.

Jucas Then, with­out warn­ing in January 2006, the Air Force dropped out, effec­tively killing J-​​UCAS. The ser­vice said it had decided to focus money and effort on the new Long-​​Range Strike pro­gram to develop a new (per­haps unmanned) bomber. But folks inside the Boeing X-​​45 office said that was a load of bull and advanced their the­o­ries: that the Air Force was scared that the cheap, smart and lethal UCAVs might threaten the manned Lockheed Martin F-​​35 Lightning fighter and start putting fighter pilots out of busi­ness; or that the Air Force was uncom­fort­able shar­ing tech­nol­ogy with the Navy and let­ting the sea ser­vice call any shots in the UCAVs designs. (Navy air­planes have to be con­sid­er­ably bulkier and heav­ier than Air Force planes in order to sur­vive repeated air­craft car­rier launches and recoveries.)

Whatever the rea­son, the Navy was left to sal­vage some­thing from J-​​UCAS. They renamed the pro­gram, first to N-​​UCAS for Naval then to UCAS-​​D for Demonstration. And they announced their inten­tion to keep both indus­try teams in the run­ning. Its taken an entire year for the Navy to piece UCAS-​​D together; the request for pro­pos­als is due any day now. But whether it will even­tu­ally pro­duce a real live com­bat air­craft is any­bodys guess. Technological hur­dles are few but cul­tural, fis­cal and orga­ni­za­tional obsta­cles abound.

Sources inside the Boeing X-​​45 pro­gram say that the office has been effec­tively split in two, with some staff still sur­viv­ing on remain­ing J-​​UCAS funds and oth­ers spend­ing com­pany money while await­ing the Navy con­tract. Problem is, these two camps are pro­hib­ited from work­ing together, for polit­i­cal rea­sons. And those resid­ing the viable Navy half of the office are appar­ently being rather mis­man­aged encour­aged to do advanced work on X-​​45 despite the con­tract and prospects for gov­ern­ment money being some months away. Thats risky, espe­cially in light of the ten­u­ous health of Boeings other drone pro­grams, which have been stripped of peo­ple and money in order to keep UCAS-​​D going. No word on whether Northrop Grumman is suf­fer­ing sim­i­lar in-​​fighting. Probably not, con­sid­er­ing that X-​​47 has long been Navy-​​optimized and also bear­ing in mind the firms tremen­dous suc­cess with the RQ-​​4 Global Hawk drone.

After a bull­ish decade, aer­ial drones are get­ting a real­ity check. The Pentagon has cast its lot with manned fight­ers over UCAVs and the Army is cut­ting in half its port­fo­lio of future air­borne drones in order to save cash; mean­while, the Air Force seems to pre­fer a manned bomber for the Long-​​Range Strike mis­sion. But if the Navy stands by UCAS-​​D, drones future just might turn around.

–David Axe, cross-​​posted at Ares
ALSO:
* Killer Drone Plan Revealed
* Killer Drone Construction Begins
* Killer Drone’s Big Brother
* Killer Drone, Dead; New Bomber Lives
* Who Killed the Killer Drone — and Why?
* Who Killed the Killer Drone? (Redux)

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  1. Nicholas Weaver says:
    January 22, 2007 at 11:41 am

    Probably the biggest prob­lem with UCAVs, and why the USAF has backed off from them: They, by def­i­n­i­tion, need good com­mu­ni­ca­tion, both to receive and to send.
    I seri­ously doubt that the US will ever field an autonomous UCAV any­time soon, the lim­its to autonomous weapons in our doc­trine are pretty severe because we don’t want skynet/​collatoral dam­age sce­nar­ios.
    With this restric­tion, then, UCAVs have a seri­ous prob­lem: They need to receive infor­ma­tion from the pilot on the ground and, before get­ting per­mis­sion to fire, they need to trans­mit infor­ma­tion.
    In a sit­u­a­tion like Iraq, this isn’t a prob­lem. The oppo­si­tion isn’t both­er­ing with wide­spread jam­ming and other attacks. Even in Iran it prob­a­bly would be OK.
    Heck, you could strap some hell­fires on the Goodyear Blimp and be good with it in Iraq as long as you are fly­ing high enough.
    For the Army, this isn’t as big a prob­lem. Much of what the Army would use a UCAV are tac­ti­cal: there are already troops on the ground nearby, so break­ing radio silence/​stealth on the UCAV is not a prob­lem.
    But for the USAF, its poten­tially a huge prob­lem: the moment the UCAV sends a mes­sage to get confirmation-​​to-​​fire, it finds some SAMs head­ing its way mui pronto.

    Reply
  2. TrustButVerify says:
    January 22, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Nicholas,
    I dis­agree, with cer­tain qual­i­fiers.
    Bear in mind that SATCOM arrays are highly direc­tional. Yes, I know about side­lobes. But a good array com­binded with spread-​​spectrum tech­niques makes inter­cep­tion very dif­fi­cult.
    An inter­cept net­work of suf­fi­cient capa­bil­ity to guide, or even “cue”, a weapons sys­tem would be quite an invest­ment; unless I’m mis­taken you’re talk­ing about layer upon layer of receiver sites which would make the infra­struc­ture of a mod­ern cell net­work look like so many tin­ker­toys by com­par­i­son.
    I’m eager to dis­cuss this. Do you see angles left uncovered?

    Reply
  3. Ken Larson says:
    January 22, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    Good Post. I enjoyed your com­men­tary.
    On related mat­ters, USA Today has recently reported in its Washington Section that the CIA plans to uti­lize more open sources and blogs in its intel­li­gence work and out­source more of its intel­li­gence soft­ware devel­op­ment to com­mer­cial con­trac­tors in an attempt to re-​​establish itself as the pre­miere world intel­li­gence agency.
    The “Strategic Intent” is posted on the CIA pub­lic web site. Defense Industry Daily fur­ther reports that General Electric is gob­bling up Smith’s Industries for $4.8B.
    http://​www​.defen​sein​dus​try​daily​.com/​2​0​0​7​/​0​1​/​g​e​-​b​u​y​s​-​s​m​i​t​h​s​-​a​e​r​o​s​p​a​c​e​-​f​o​r​-​4​8​b​/​i​n​d​e​x​.​php
    I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of work­ing in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons sys­tems being used by our forces as we speak. Let’s look at this for a moment and do our patri­otic duty by read­ing along with the CIA (after all, they have announced they are read­ing this blog)
    1. The new CIA approach comes exactly at the for­ma­tion of the agency

    Reply
  4. TrustButVerify says:
    January 22, 2007 at 8:37 pm

    Nicholas,
    I under­stand the mean­ing of “inter­cept” which you’re refer­ring to, but in this case I’m tal­ing about the abil­ity to *detect* a trans­mis­sion, not com­pre­hend it.
    I think you have a valid point regard­ing poten­tial dual-​​use of wire­less infra­struc­ture. This still puts an adver­sary a step behind– assum­ing said adver­sary can afford the moun­tains of hard­ware such a solu­tion would entail. The adver­sary is still react­ing to our threat. The dec­tion net­work is hypo­thet­i­cal, but the UCAV is already proven.
    Granting your propo­si­tion, who might we expect to deploy it? The Chinese or the Russians might be able to pull it off on some scale; can any­one else say the same?
    I’m in a poor posi­tion to judge, but I like your point about Moore’s Law.

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