DefenseTech Military.com
  • Categories
  • Full Archives
  • Monthly Archives
  • About Defense Tech
Subscribe to RSS

About Defense Tech

Defense Tech exam­ines the inter­sec­tion of tech­nol­ogy and defense from every angle and pro­vides analy­sis on what’s ahead.

Tip Us Off

Tip for Defense Tech?

SEND IT!

It’s Confidential!

Categories

  • 'Canes
  • Afghan Update
  • Ammo and Munitions
  • Armor
  • Around the Globe
  • Av Week Extra
  • Axe in Iraq (and Elsewhere)
  • Bizarro
  • Blimps
  • Blog Bidness
  • Body Armor Blues
  • Bomb Squad
  • Brownshoes in Action
  • Bubbleheads, etc.
  • Cammo Green
  • Catch the "Buzz"
  • Chem-Bio
  • Civilian Apps
  • Cloak and Dagger
  • Commandos
  • Comms
  • Contingency Ops
  • Cops and Robbers
  • Cyber-warfare
  • Data Diving
  • Defense Tech Poll
  • Defense Tech Radio
  • Dissent Tech
  • Door Kickers
  • Drones
  • DT Administrivia
  • Eat DT's Dust
  • Extra! Extra!
  • Eye on China
  • Fast Movers
  • FCS Watch
  • Fire for Effect
  • FOS Files
  • Friday Funnies
  • Gadgets and Gear
  • Going Green
  • Grand Ole Osprey
  • Ground Vehicles
  • Guns
  • Homeland Security
  • In the Weeds with Eric
  • Info War
  • Iraq Diary
  • Jarhead Jazz
  • JSF Watch
  • Just War Theories
  • Lasers and Ray Guns
  • Less-lethal
  • Logistics
  • Los Alamos and Labs
  • M4 Monopoly
  • Medic!
  • Mercs
  • Missiles
  • Money Money Money
  • Most Wanted
  • MRAP Edge
  • Net-Centric
  • Nukes
  • Old Skool
  • Our Shrinking Planet
  • Planes, Copters, Blimps
  • Podcast
  • Politricks
  • Polmar's Perspective
  • Popular Mechanics
  • Rapid Fire
  • Raptor Watch
  • Red Team
  • Retro-Futuro
  • Robots
  • Roll Your Own
  • Sabra Tech
  • Ships and Subs
  • Snipertech
  • Soldier Systems
  • Space
  • Special Ops
  • Star Wars
  • Strategery
  • Stray Trons
  • Tactical Development
  • Terror Tech
  • The Deadlies
  • The Defense Biz
  • The Peoples' Site
  • The Sunday Paper
  • The Tanker Tango
  • The View from Av Week
  • Those Nutty Norks
  • Training and Sims
  • Trimble on the Case
  • Uncategorized
  • Video Lounge
  • War Update
  • Ward'z Wonderz
  • You can run…

Archives

  • November 2009
  • October 2009
  • September 2009
  • August 2009
  • July 2009
  • June 2009
  • May 2009
  • April 2009
  • March 2009
  • February 2009
  • January 2009
  • December 2008
  • November 2008
  • October 2008
  • September 2008
  • August 2008
  • July 2008
  • June 2008
  • May 2008
  • April 2008
  • March 2008
  • February 2008
  • January 2008
  • December 2007
  • November 2007
  • October 2007
  • September 2007
  • August 2007
  • July 2007
  • June 2007
  • May 2007
  • April 2007
  • March 2007
  • February 2007
  • January 2007
  • December 2006
  • November 2006
  • October 2006
  • September 2006
  • August 2006
  • July 2006
  • June 2006
  • May 2006
  • April 2006
  • March 2006
  • February 2006
  • January 2006
  • December 2005
  • November 2005
  • October 2005
  • September 2005
  • August 2005
  • July 2005
  • June 2005
  • May 2005
  • April 2005
  • March 2005
  • February 2005
  • January 2005
  • December 2004
  • November 2004
  • October 2004
  • September 2004
  • August 2004
  • July 2004
  • June 2004
  • May 2004
  • April 2004
  • March 2004
  • February 2004
  • January 2004
  • December 2003
  • November 2003
  • October 2003
  • September 2003
  • August 2003
  • July 2003
  • June 2003
  • May 2003
  • April 2003
  • March 2003
  • February 2003
  • January 2003

Home » Money Money Money » Breaking: Double the Troops in “Surge” (Updated)

Breaking: Double the Troops in “Surge” (Updated)

President Bush and his new mil­i­tary chiefs have been say­ing for nearly a month that they would “surge” an addi­tional 21,500 troops to Iraq, in a last, grand push to quell the vio­lence in Baghdad and in Anbar Province. But a new study by the non-​​partisan Congressional Budget Office says the real troop increase could be as high as 48,000 — more than dou­ble the num­ber the President ini­tially said.
troops_to_copter.jpgThat’s because the com­bat units that President Bush wants to send into hos­tile areas need to be backed up by sup­port troops, “includ­ing per­son­nel to staff head­quar­ters, serve as mil­i­tary police, and pro­vide com­mu­ni­ca­tions, con­tract­ing, engi­neer­ing, intel­li­gence, med­ical, and other ser­vices,” the CBO notes.

Over the past few years , DoDs prac­tice has been to deploy a total of about 9,500 per­son­nel per com­bat brigade to the Iraq the­ater, includ­ing about 4,000 com­bat troops and about 5,500 sup­port­ing troops.
DoD has not yet indi­cated which sup­port units will be deployed along with the added com­bat forces, or how many addi­tional troops will be involved. Army and DoD offi­cials have indi­cated that it will be both pos­si­ble and desir­able to deploy fewer addi­tional sup­port units than his­tor­i­cal prac­tice would indi­cate. CBO expects that, even if the addi­tional brigades required fewer sup­port units than his­tor­i­cal prac­tice sug­gests, those units would still rep­re­sent a sig­nif­i­cant addi­tional num­ber of mil­i­tary per­son­nel.
To reflect some of the uncer­tainty about the num­ber of sup­port troops, CBO devel­oped its esti­mates on the basis of two alter­na­tive assump­tions. In one sce­nario, CBO assumed that addi­tional sup­port troops would be deployed in the same pro­por­tion to com­bat troops that cur­rently exists in Iraq. That approach would require about 28,000 sup­port troops in addi­tion to the 20,000 com­bat troopsa total of 48,000. CBO also presents an alter­na­tive sce­nario that would include a smaller num­ber of sup­port per­son­nelabout 3,000 per com­bat brigadeto­tal­ing about 15,000 sup­port per­son­nel and bring­ing the total addi­tional forces to about 35,000.

According to the study, the costs for the “surge” would also be dra­mat­i­cally dif­fer­ent than the President has said. The White House esti­mated a troop esca­la­tion would require about $5.6 bil­lion in addi­tional fund­ing for the rest of fis­cal year 2007. Of that, about $3.2 bil­lion was sup­posed to go to the Army and Marines for their esca­lated activ­ity.
But that fig­ure appears to have been grossly under­es­ti­mated. The CBO now believes “that costs would range from $9 bil­lion to $13 bil­lion for a four-​​month deploy­ment and from $20 bil­lion to $27 bil­lion for a 12-​​month deploy­ment.” There’s a more detailed analy­sis of the num­bers on pages 3 and 4 of the study, which was sent to House Budget Chairman John Spratt today.
UPDATE 1:43 PM: Here’s Spratt’s reac­tion, in a state­ment just released:

An aver­age of 170,000 mil­i­tary per­son­nel has been main­tained in the Iraq the­ater of oper­a­tions, and this high deploy­ment level has taken a toll. Last year, CBO reported that the Department of Defense had reduced the amount of dwell time for many troops from two years to one year in order to sus­tain troop lev­els. Dwell time is the time troops spend in train­ing at bases in the United States while liv­ing with their fam­i­lies. CBO ques­tioned whether such a high pace of oper­a­tions was sus­tain­able over the long term. The Presidents pro­posal will increase this level to above 200,000 troops, and to reach this level, the Pentagon will prob­a­bly have to relax dwell time stan­dards even more.
CBOs report con­cludes that the cost of the Presidents plan to surge troops will be higher than pre­vi­ously indi­cated, both in dol­lar terms and in the bur­dens it places on our military.

UPDATE 2:06 PM: As they say on the Internet, “WTF?” Gen. George Casey, the nom­i­nee for Army chief of staff, “told a Senate panel Thursday that improv­ing secu­rity in Baghdad would take fewer than half as many extra troops as President Bush has cho­sen to com­mit,” the AP is reporting.

Asked by Sen. John Warner, R-​​Va., why he had not requested the full five extra brigades that Bush is send­ing, Casey said, “I did not want to bring one more American sol­dier into Iraq than was nec­es­sary to accom­plish the mis­sion.“
With many in Congress oppos­ing or skep­ti­cal of Bush’s troop buildup, Casey did not say he opposed the president’s deci­sion. He said the full com­ple­ment of five brigades would give U.S. com­man­ders in Iraq addi­tional, use­ful flex­i­bil­ity.
“In my mind, the other three brigades should be called for­ward after an assess­ment has been made on the ground” about whether they are needed to ensure suc­cess in Baghdad, Casey said. later.

Now, Casey has long been skep­ti­cal of a troop increase. “It’s a tough nut, whether or not bring­ing in more troops, more US troops will have a sig­nif­i­cant long term impact on the vio­lence,” he said back in October. And just the other day, Casey was argu­ing that any addi­tional boots on the ground could be removed by the sum­mer. So this feels like we’re see­ing the edges of an inter­nal squab­ble between the White House and the Army brass. Or maybe between gen­eral and gen­eral.
UPDATE 02/​02/​07 6:36 PM: The White House is deny­ing the CBO report.
(Big ups: JA)

Share |

February 1st, 2007 | Money Money Money, Strategery, War Update | 3446161 Comments »http://defensetech.org/2007/02/01/breaking-double-the-troops-in-surge-updated/Breaking%3A+Double+the+Troops+in+%22Surge%22+%28Updated%292007-02-01+17%3A22%3A04hambling You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not allowed.

« « Osprey Ready for Primetime? Part Two | Rapid Fire 02/​01/​07 » »

This website uses IntenseDebate comments, but they are not currently loaded because either your browser doesn't support JavaScript, or they didn't load fast enough.

  1. PhilLeech says:
    April 7, 2007 at 3:02 pm

    Politcians are always look­ing for the opti­mistic esti­mates. From the looks of things right now, it appears the increase in troops was a good idea. We can’t make up for the under-​​strength begin­ning of this thing, but we sure can make a dent in it.

    Reply
  2. Joe says:
    April 11, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    You peo­ple are pathetic.
    This war was prov­ably based on lies (Downing Street Memo & Whitehouse Memo).
    The Democrats haven’t done a sin­gle thing because the OIL COMPANIES AND CONTRACTORS DONATE TO BOTH PARTIES.
    When can we quit clin­ing to these bought-​​and-​​paid-​​for polit­i­cal par­ties and stand up as Americans?
    We need to get out of this war, cut our spend­ing bud­get in half, secure the bor­ders and work on legit­i­mate trade agree­ments that don’t reward cor­po­ra­tions for tak­ing out econ­omy over­seas.
    Wake up and quit cry­ing. THE BUSHES VACATION W? THE CLINTONS! It is always the elite vs the mid­dle class through­out his­tory. If you treat these poli­ci­cal par­ties (in real­ity a one-​​party sys­tem) like foot­ball teams while fight­ing amongst one another we will never get any­where!
    My God Man

    Reply
  3. sam says:
    April 12, 2007 at 12:07 am

    What is every­ones prob­lem? Can it not be under­stood that this surge and the over­all direc­tion of our mil­i­tary pres­ence in iraq. We need to get out of every­bod­ies busi­ness and go back to our pol­icy of non inter­ven­tion in for­eign wars. It has been proven over and over with­out a doubt that our own gov­ern­ment lied to get us into this war. Not to men­tion the fact its involve­ment in the sept. 11 ter­ror­ist attacks. Or should I say the event that allowed the patriot act to get voted into law. Our gov­ern­ment has bro­ken so many laws of the con­sti­tu­tion and bill of rights that it would be hard to count them. And still they are in office. Why This con­sti­tu­tion that they seem to think noth­ing about has worked for the us for a long. The politi­cians have enjoyed the free­dom to do as they wish for entirely way to long. They are cit­i­zens just like every­one else and they should have to abide by the same laws as we all do. Some would say that it is already to the point of a police state being imple­mented in the us. I thought that act­ing now would keep our lib­er­ties only to find out that the fight would be to get back the lib­er­ties that we have already lost. Those who have sworn to pro­tect this nation and uphold the con­sti­tu­tion have not upheld their oath. In fact they are doing every­thing they can to do away with any over­sight at all. This is not a good direc­tion for the us to be going. The far­ther we ven­ture down this road the harder it will be to get back on track. The NWO is not the answer. The fed­eral reserve bank is not con­trolled by nor is it held account­able by any gov­ern­ing body. People need to start ask­ing ques­tions that mat­ter. Stop assum­ing that all is well. Expect the worse and hope and work for the best and maybe in the end you wont be dis­ap­pointed. Strive for world peace and not just for per­sonal gain. Money is not everything–just ask the fam­i­lies of those sol­diers that have fallen while our gov­ern­ment stayes the course on its fight against ter­ror­ist that itself has funded and trained for years only to make more ene­mies for amer­ica to fight. The only ones who gain from this are the defense contractors(war machine)and the ceos that start and end con­flicts to fill their own pock­ets. god bless amer­ica and the rest of the world thank you and have a nice day

    Reply
  4. The End says:
    April 12, 2007 at 7:56 pm

    Americans have been taught to look at wars like sport­ing events, cheer­ing for OUR SIDE. Well guess what, this war is bad for most of the planet. Some oil CEOs and weapons man­u­fac­tur­ers make a killing off of it, but thou­sands upon thou­sands of sol­diers and inno­cent Iraqi civil­ians are killed and maimed.
    Iraqis say their prob­lems are now WORSE than when they had Saddam to deal with! What does that tell you? Enough of this “Ra ra ra!” dumb mil­i­tary junk. There’s noth­ing noble, hon­or­able, or brave about ille­gally invad­ing some­one else’s coun­try on the pre­text of lies & minsin­for­ma­tion.
    The American mil­i­tary has NOTHING to be proud of, unless they’re proud of act­ing like lit­tle bitches and fol­low­ing the insane demands of King Bush. How pathetic. Every dolt in back­wa­ter American thinks he can go to Iraq and then claim him­self to be some kind of “hero.” It’s not that easy. It’s more heroic to edu­cate your­self and THINK about what you’re actu­ally doing, instead of just act­ing like a trained attack dog for the liars in the White House.

    Reply
  5. Peter Macdonald, Lee NH says:
    September 14, 2007 at 7:13 am

    VA Complaint against NH VA Director Mark Levenston 9–14-07
    A copy of this let­ter goes to Mark Levenston and Dr Dan Potenza
    Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824
    A crime against the United States has been com­mit­ted here. A 100% ser­vice con­nected dis­abled veteran

    Reply
  6. Peter Macdonald, Lee NH says:
    September 14, 2007 at 7:14 am

    VA Complaint against NH VA Director Mark Levenston 9–14-07
    A copy of this let­ter goes to Mark Levenston and Dr Dan Potenza
    Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824
    A crime against the United States has been com­mit­ted here. A 100% ser­vice con­nected dis­abled veteran

    Reply
  7. ????? says:
    April 22, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Not nec­ces­sar­ily a lie. Possibly another cal­cu­lated mis-​​direct or, nearly as bad, a basic mis­un­der­stand­ing by our esteemed Commander in Chief.

    Reply
  8. ? says:
    April 22, 2008 at 1:59 am

    But of course!

    Reply
  9. ???? says:
    April 22, 2008 at 1:59 am

    But of course!

    Reply
  10. Overseas Removal says:
    May 6, 2008 at 5:37 am

    let

    Reply
  11. Air Freight Forwarder says:
    May 26, 2008 at 3:14 am
    Reply
  12. jiexik says:
    December 12, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    http://www.bestshopweb.com,there have some UGG shoes,the shoes is cheap,beautiful,safe.I sug­gest that you can go to the shop if you are free.
    wel­come to our web-www.bestshopweb.com.Here,you can find some beau­ti­ful UGG shoes,we are cer­tain that the goods are fine and the price is cheap.we are sure that you will have a happy travel in here.
    http://www.bestshopweb.com-a good web­site where is sell beau­ti­ful shoes ‚I bought one in there ‚and I feel the shoe is fine ‚besides the price is very cheap. if you have some time,you can go to there to have a look.

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Click here to cancel reply.

Spam Protection by WP-SpamFree

    Most Popular Posts
    • What Does this Handle Do?
    • Marines Quiet About Brutal New Weapon
    • Starship Troopers Meets G.I. Joe
    • Dowd's Bogus Grief Deficit
    • Adapting Women to Subs
    • Fort Hood Rampage
    • Keep it Simple
    • Mystery Drone Revealed
    • REPLACEMENT ARM, GOOD AS NEW
    • Semi-auto Grenade Thrower
    Recent Comments
    • Fort Hood Rampage
      Jews wasn't a threat for anyone, that's why this was a tragedie
      A.g.
    • Quick-Deploy 120mm Mortar
      The 120 is mounted in the back of a mortar track and...
      SSG Knapp 11C3O
    • Fort Hood Rampage
      "I am a New Yorker, and have seen the holes in the ground where...
      Sam
    • Fort Hood Rampage
      "This is not the first Muslim soldier to commit treason against his...
      Sam
    • Time to Pull the Plug
      4. The Iraqi Rebels went underground to penetrate OUR and...
      Osher Doctorow
    • Time to Pull the Plug
      Some questions about the Gen. Petraeus Iraqi "Surge"...
      Osher Doctorow
    • The Non-lethal Claymore
      There is a non lethat weapon put out by laser energitics name daser...
      red
    • Semi-auto Grenade Thrower
      These guys seem to have had the right idea for a while,...
      TheBoogyMan
    • Airbag Defense
      Hey jack ass (fart) at any time durring that triade did you watch the video?...
      Valcan
    • Fort Hood Rampage
      This episode is another demonstration that there aren't good...
      Westerner
    Recent Articles
    • Semi-​​auto Grenade Thrower
    • Market for Acoustic Defense Systems Heats Up
    • Fort Hood Rampage
    • Keep it Simple
    • Airbag Defense
    • Dowd’s Bogus Grief Deficit
    • Did Someone Move the Furniture Around?
    • Lockheed Says Sbirs Still on Track For 2010
    • What Does this Handle Do?
    • Adapting Women to Subs
  • Channels: Military.com | Military Benefits | Military News | Off Duty | Join the Military | Military Education | Veteran Jobs | Military Money | Military Deals | Military Family | Military Community
  • Military.com Network: Military.com | MilBlogging | Defense Tech | DoD Buzz | SpouseBuzz | Fred's Place | GI Bill Express
  • Services: Army | Navy | Air Force | Marine Corps | Coast Guard | National Guard | Military Spouse
  • About Military.com About Us | Advertise With Us | Press | Affiliate Program | Monster Network | Help | Feedback | Privacy Policy | User Agreement | © 2009 Military Advantage