Comments on: Nazi Roots for Iraq Super-Bombs

By: Macaca

Macaca — Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:42:17 +0000

I smell some arrogance (or stupidity) in the way US handles these kinds of emergent threats. I thought a commandment of war was to expect the unexpected? And it’s a war for clying out loud.
Cheating, playing facades, doing proxy warfare and hitting anything vurnerable has allways been the way (that old chinese guy had a book on it). Why is everybody debating wheter or not Iran is suppllying weapons? Handle it! It wont be aliens or goblins that make them.

By: ACGandolf

ACGandolf — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:21:53 +0000

So you take a Desert Eagle with the .50 caliber barrel and mag and load it with Raven ammo.
:)

By: C-Low

C-Low — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:49:59 +0000

The shaped charges are just part of the story.
The mortar shells dated manufacture after the US invasion of Iraq.
The Iranian agents caught in Iraq (Quads force the Iranian Special Forces).
The missiles ammunition RPG’s possible recent advanced SA-18’s use and older versions MANPADS.
The .50 cal sniper rifles Iran bought that then somehow ended up in Iraq (we just busted a stash of over a hundred).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml
And if you read the report it says that the shaped charges were not some Bubba job but manufactured assembly line type with processed metals. If they were scrapping these things out in the basement their would be no two the same. Their would be regional differences in shape, materials, craftsmanship, would all vary widely. That is not what we are seeing that is difference.
Of course it sounds like the shaped charges don’t have serial numbers on them so even if you can prove assembly line manufacture over Bubba’s basement you cannot prove Iranian manufacture. That is why the Mortar, .50 cal Snipers, Ammo, Rifles, Manpads varying designation, Quads captures, shipments crossing border captures, all of this taken together some of it pointing directly at the Iranian’s specifically is how A leads to Z. Their is no such thing as Irrefutable evidence but at some point you gotta take in the combined picture.

By: Robot.Economist

Robot.Economist — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:10:41 +0000

B. Skinner — Didn’t see the Military Channel show, but I had a phsyics professor who was know to dabble in IED concepts for the Army.
He demonstrated a miniature EFP for us once using 1.5″ steel pipe and a copper disc molded on a golfball. It shot the slug 50+ feet and penetrated all the way though a cider block.
He’s still free (last time I checked), so fortunately the DoJ shouldn’t be busting down your door anytime soon.

By: Solomon

Solomon — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:11:32 +0000

Quick clarification…I didn’t think this knowledge was so widely held…thats the reason for the “we’re screwed” comment…

By: Byron Skinner

Byron Skinner — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:37:41 +0000

Good Evening zak822,
I can do better. How to make a home made EFP as well as packed explosive devices was shown on the Military Channel a few weeks ago. The program is called Weaponogly, the one with the ex Seal.
Since this information was put out in the public domain I will answer your question zak822.
But for all who missed the program, all you need to do is go to home Depot buy( please don’t steal the material, that’s so sixtyish) about a 6″ Lgn. of PVC pipe, white or black it don’t matter an end cap and about an 8“x8” piece of copper. Bend the cooper into a cone about 3/4″ deep, cut coperinto a circle that will fit inside the PVC pipe. Drill a hole into the end cap for a deninator and glue the end cap to one end of pipe.
Fill pipe with explosive of choice. Insert cooper plate into open end of pipe and pack into explosives run some silcone around the edge of the cooper, insert blasting cap into hole in end cap and you have yourself one each terrorists special EFP. Total cost less explosives about $10.00.
The above statement no doubt violates serveral parts of the “Patriot Act”. As you can see making an EFP is not the work of any higher life form. I think the Robot Economists pretty well state the history of kenetic energy weapons and the use of explosives. All you are really doing is throwing something, not unlike a lever or bow and string, just a wee bit harder.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

By: pedestrian

pedestrian — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:26:40 +0000

>Why assume they came from Iran?
>And the English markings on the demo mortar round don’t look much like Farsi.
It might not be a complete answer, but I remember Iran supported Hezbollah has been using shape charged explosives against Israel long ago. Shape charged explosives used in Iraq has been spotted coming from the border of Iran. The use of shape charged explosives in Iraq has been covered by a news article from Telegraph. US officials have also blamed Iran for developing and exporting these to Iraq.

By: C-Low

C-Low — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:13:28 +0000

By the way for all of you “that don’t look like FArsi” experts on Iranian weapons.
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.com/pictures/IMF/Missiles/12_850.jpg
Iran is a self admitted Radical Islamist of the Shia stripe, AQ is self admitted Sunni Radicals, both groups of Islamic radicals may very well hate each other and be blood enemies at the end of the day. However “my enemy

By: Pan

Pan — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:23:28 +0000

I’m not sure about this story. The first German use of shape charges I know of in WWII was on May 10, 1940. The paratroopers attacking the Belgian fortress of Eben Emal took out the gun turrets with shape charges. I’ve visited the site, and the holes from the charges are clearly visible on the turrets.

By: Robot Economist

Robot Economist — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:01:44 +0000

Kevin G. — True, EFPs are like a subset of the shaped charge family. They are specially designed to maintain the continuity of the slug over long distances. While the measurements needed to produce an EFP are pretty precise, anyone with a proven design on paper and the appropriate materials can produce them outside of a factory setting.