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By: Doc

Doc — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:53:18 +0000

The 110s were outstanding boats during their service life. They were designed to be a stop gap until the Heritage class WPBs were built, but those boats were cancelled. Even back in ’93, Farallon was having problems with hull plate because it was so thin.
The Coast Guard and Congress seem to want a jack of all trades WPB and have a champaign appetite on a beer budget. It’s a patrol boat for crying out loud. With the rate of technological advances we see today, why would you want a WPB for more than 15–20 years.
The 110s were the right boat at the right time. The CG would be well served to get today’s equivalent of the 110 off the shelf.

By: springbored

springbored — Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:34:38 +0000

Thanks for readin’ ya’ll. Hey, Axe, do you have a thing for Lockheed products? They don’t pay you, do they?
Anyhow, one thing that worries me-a mite bit-is a sorta throw-away mention–in„,I think the NY Times– about a screwup in the computer code used for the 123 design work. Haven’t gone back to confirm anything, but…if we can’t get the CAD software to function right.…it’s embarassing.

By: jack

jack — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:14:32 +0000

The 123 footers were former 110 ft Island class boats with 13 ft extensions stuck on to add a boat ramp. The 110’s were struggling with integrity problems before Deepwater. Lengthening them without reinforcing them was going to cause problems. The extension was Lockheed’s idea as part of their Deepwater solution. They legitimately get to take the heat for it.

By: ReformedCoasty

ReformedCoasty — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:58:49 +0000

Come on, Axe. Your skipping some of DeKort’s key claims. You dont even mention that LM was installing equipment on the decks of these ships that werent rated for the conditions they were to face in the field like FLIR systems that cant handle tropical heat or polar cold (like in the straights or alaska where FLIR capabilities can be key to SAR ops. Also radios on zodiacs that are not rated for outdoor use. LM argues it didnt specifically say in the contract that they needed to use outdoor radios. Thats just stupid. They think these guys were going be patrolling a bath tub??
Cracking hulls are the best thing that could have happened or we never would have known how bad these ships were and never examined how bad future boats could be.

By: knife

knife — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:48:21 +0000

Eh, who’s going to foot the bills, the Bush or Dicky? I’m up to my eyeballs in debts and taxes as it is and I don’t want to pay for something that I didn’t ask for or break.

By: AvBizWiz

AvBizWiz — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:57:16 +0000

Axe, you’re being silly. What happened to the 123-foot boats is not a “minor crime”, but one of the dumbest blunders I have yet come across in the defense industry, and that’s saying something. The coast guard took eight boats that worked perfectly fine and modified them in a way that ended up making all eight of them completely useless for anything but target practice.

By: 3nht2f97y1g

3nht2f97y1g — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:23:28 +0000

The post says: “The 123s worked just fine before their ancient hulls gave out. But when these hulls did give out, folks like DeKort saw an opportunity to attack the contractors“
A commenter says: “You don’t mention that somebody decided to take an old ship and add a few feet to the hull. THAT’s what failed.“
This commenter read the whole post and thinks the other commenter has a good point, maybe a clarification by the blogger would help.