http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-60765 Mike Burleson Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:09:59 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-60765 "Iraq-fueled tension in the Middle East"? Seems like it was pretty tense before we got there. Like for the last 1400 years! “Iraq-fueled tension in the Middle East”?
Seems like it was pretty tense before we got there. Like for the last 1400 years!

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156763 Craig Landon Thu, 22 Feb 2007 04:54:08 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156763 Arms binge. Hmmm. I govern on the Arabian peninsula. Who is my biggest threat? Maybe its the dude across the pond who wants to run my Muslim world. Operator, get me 1-800-PAT-ROIT (ABM division) Arms binge. Hmmm. I govern on the Arabian peninsula. Who is my biggest threat? Maybe its the dude across the pond who wants to run my Muslim world.
Operator, get me 1–800-PAT-ROIT (ABM division)

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156762 Joe Katzman Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:50:26 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156762 Amazing... not a single mention, or even consideration, of the possibility that IRAN may choose to act in ways the Gulf States might find threatening or destabilizing, without any external prods. Which seems to be a very big part of this equation. Because, you know, nobody out there actually exists or has free will and plans of their own except America (and Israel). No, it's all about me, me, ME!!! And the Jews, errr, neocons, of course. Kris, precisely when did you become a complete idiot? You've previously shown some level of sense. Hopefully, at some point you'll return to that state by paying some attention to outside developments on their own terms. Amazing… not a single mention, or even consideration, of the possibility that IRAN may choose to act in ways the Gulf States might find threatening or destabilizing, without any external prods. Which seems to be a very big part of this equation.
Because, you know, nobody out there actually exists or has free will and plans of their own except America (and Israel). No, it’s all about me, me, ME!!! And the Jews, errr, neocons, of course.
Kris, precisely when did you become a complete idiot? You’ve previously shown some level of sense. Hopefully, at some point you’ll return to that state by paying some attention to outside developments on their own terms.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156761 Joe Katzman Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:48:45 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156761 Amazing... not a single mention, or even consideration, of the possibility that IRAN may choose to act in ways the Gulf States might find threatening or destabilizing, without any external prods. Which seems to be a very big part of this equation. Because, you know, nobody out there actually exists or has free will and plans of their own except America (and Israel). No, it's all about me, me, ME!!! And the Jews, errr, neocons, of course. Kris, precisely when did you become a complete idiot? You've previously shown some level of sense. Hopefully, at some point you'll return to that state by paying some attention to outside developments on their own terms. Amazing… not a single mention, or even consideration, of the possibility that IRAN may choose to act in ways the Gulf States might find threatening or destabilizing, without any external prods. Which seems to be a very big part of this equation.
Because, you know, nobody out there actually exists or has free will and plans of their own except America (and Israel). No, it’s all about me, me, ME!!! And the Jews, errr, neocons, of course.
Kris, precisely when did you become a complete idiot? You’ve previously shown some level of sense. Hopefully, at some point you’ll return to that state by paying some attention to outside developments on their own terms.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156760 Macaca Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:03:10 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156760 I have a gut feeling that although the war in Irak costs the US government a shipload of funds, the USA as a whole is making good business from all this (in money and jobs), but I would enjoy it if someone with a bit more knowledge (authority) could shed a light on it. Considering the new oil/gas contracts, the rebuilding of the infrastucture, the supply-goods and now the whole region buying US (or US backed) weaponary. Plus the fact that the military buys weapons and ammo from US company's, and all the soldiers will spend a big chunk of their paychecks at home. (note: i'm not directly blaming US for making war for the money, but it certainly flows both ways) I have a gut feeling that although the war in Irak costs the US government a shipload of funds, the USA as a whole is making good business from all this (in money and jobs), but I would enjoy it if someone with a bit more knowledge (authority) could shed a light on it.
Considering the new oil/gas contracts, the rebuilding of the infrastucture, the supply-goods and now the whole region buying US (or US backed) weaponary. Plus the fact that the military buys weapons and ammo from US company’s, and all the soldiers will spend a big chunk of their paychecks at home. (note: i’m not directly blaming US for making war for the money, but it certainly flows both ways)

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156759 Hoax Meister Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:37:41 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156759 Ahh, there's nothing like spreading a little chaos--I mean freedom! Democracy is on the march, or is that the sound of an army? Ahh, there’s nothing like spreading a little chaos–I mean freedom!
Democracy is on the march, or is that the sound of an army?

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-60758 Mycroft Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:53:47 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-60758 Just a minor nitpick. It'd take some very impressive targeting to hit a ship with a ballistic missile. Just a minor nitpick. It’d take some very impressive targeting to hit a ship with a ballistic missile.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156758 chris Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:26:12 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156758 Alpine, Bush pulled troops out of Saudi Arabia after the US defeated Saddam: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm Maybe I've been duped by the neocons/Jews/military industrialists, but I don't think the Bush administration forces Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, etc. to accept millions of dollars in military aid. I don't think Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kuwait, UAE or Oman are complaining about the millions of dollars infused into their economies from the U.S. bases they host. Can you point to a news article where any of these countries have formally asked the US to leave? Personally, I think the US should pull out of Turkey because they don't have oil and they didn't let US forces attack Iraq from its bases there. Alpine,
Bush pulled troops out of Saudi Arabia after the US defeated Saddam:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984547.stm
Maybe I’ve been duped by the neocons/Jews/military industrialists, but I don’t think the Bush administration forces Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, etc. to accept millions of dollars in military aid. I don’t think Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kuwait, UAE or Oman are complaining about the millions of dollars infused into their economies from the U.S. bases they host. Can you point to a news article where any of these countries have formally asked the US to leave? Personally, I think the US should pull out of Turkey because they don’t have oil and they didn’t let US forces attack Iraq from its bases there.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156757 alpine Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:51:34 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156757 Yes, the current Iranian regime does pose a security risk to the region but so does this Bush regime which doesn't even reside in the area. Since when this Bush administration been given the right to call anyone a threat to their own area? We don't even live there but we station massive military forces over there right at their door step all in the name of regional security - namely our own selfish interests in accessing the black gold. These events all play into the hands of the neo-cons and the military industrial complex. I wonder what would the neo-cons do if another country was to station carrier battle groups etc in the Gulf of Mexico and thousands of combat troops in Central America. Yes, the current Iranian regime does pose a security risk to the region but so does this Bush regime which doesn’t even reside in the area. Since when this Bush administration been given the right to call anyone a threat to their own area? We don’t even live there but we station massive military forces over there right at their door step all in the name of regional security — namely our own selfish interests in accessing the black gold. These events all play into the hands of the neo-cons and the military industrial complex. I wonder what would the neo-cons do if another country was to station carrier battle groups etc in the Gulf of Mexico and thousands of combat troops in Central America.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/02/21/binge-and-surge/#comment-156755 Ward Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:04:54 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3502#comment-156755 House: I agree that the notion of arms proliferation is not necessarily new to the region. (During my years as a Tomcat RIO I worked with Kuwaitis, Omanis, UAE-ees, Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Israelis . . . on and on.) But I think there is something to what Kris is talking about regarding the increased entrophy that recent shifts in the balance of power are causing. It's the basic "law of unintended consequences." So if you have second generation fighters like Hunters or Jaguars and you procure fourth generation fighters like the Super Hornet what happens to your national attitude regarding hostilities? House:
I agree that the notion of arms proliferation is not necessarily new to the region. (During my years as a Tomcat RIO I worked with Kuwaitis, Omanis, UAE-ees, Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Israelis … on and on.) But I think there is something to what Kris is talking about regarding the increased entrophy that recent shifts in the balance of power are causing. It’s the basic “law of unintended consequences.“
So if you have second generation fighters like Hunters or Jaguars and you procure fourth generation fighters like the Super Hornet what happens to your national attitude regarding hostilities?

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