(Editor’s note: This no kidding is a press release that was sent to the Defense Tech offices.)
18DoughtyStreet.com, Britains first political web tv station, has launched a two minute viral campaign to combat growing anti-Americanism across Britain and Europe.
The two minute campaign that has been posted on YouTube and is being distributed across Britain via email paints a world that would be less free, less healthy and less prosperous if America had never existed.
Through five fictional news reports from the 1950s onwards it portrays a world dominated by Soviet Russia and warns that much of the worlds prosperity and medical advances would have been lost.
18DoughtyStreet.com is the initiative of internet entrepreneur Stephan Shakespeare and a number of Britains most-read bloggers who have come together to challenge the biases of establishment broadcasters and mainstream parties.
Tim Montgomerie, Director of 18DoughtyStreet.com, said, For much of the last fifty years Europe has benefited from Americas security umbrella and from the dynamism of American enterprise and science. The advert ends by suggesting that if the US-led coalition had not intervened in Iraq the world could now be being held to ransom by a nuclear-armed Saddam Hussein.
The text of the advertisement is here:
Opening caption: Imagine a world without America.
SCENE 1: 1950s STUDIO WITH MAN IN DINNER SUIT
Caption: 1959
You are watching the News from London. General Secretary Stalin was in France today to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the liberation of Paris by the Red Army. Organised crowds of young people sang the Soviet anthem as troops marched down the Champs Elysees …
Caption: A World Without America … Would Be A World With Less Freedom
SCENE 2: 1960s STUDIO WITH SAME PRESENTER IN FLOWER POWER SUIT
Caption: 1969
Latest data from the British Department of Health show that deaths from polio rose again last year. The hunt for a vaccine continues…
Caption: A World Without America Would Be A World Without Many Medical Advances
SCENE 3: 1970s STUDIO WITH SAME PRESENTER IN LARGE LAPELED BROWN SUIT
Caption: 1979
Tonight the Mediterranean Sea is full of boats of Jewish refugees fleeing for their lives. Earlier in the day the poorly-equipped and under-funded Israeli army was finally defeated and Arab combined forces with Soviet air cover — entered Tel Aviv…
Caption: A World Without America Would Be A World Without Israel
SCENE 4: 1980s STUDIO WITH SAME PRESENTER IN SHOULDER-PADDED POWER SUIT
Caption: 1989
Arriving at todays hunger summit in her ministerial Lady Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher vowed to work with Austrian President Arnold Schwarzenegger in fighting increasing hunger across Asia…
Caption: A World Without America… Would Be A Poorer World
SCENE 5: TURN-OF-THE CENTURY STUDIO WITH SAME PRESENTER IN NEWSROUND-TYPE OPEN SHIRT AND JEANS
Caption: 1999
At a Downing Street press conference earlier today the British Prime Minister said that President Saddam Hussein was a man he could do business with. He was speaking after it was confirmed that the Revolutionary Republic of Iraq and Kuwait had acquired nuclear weapons…
Caption: A World Without America… Would Be A World Held To Ransom By Tyrants
CLOSING SEQUENCE
In the final sequence a whole series of words and phrases appear on the screen and then disappear… at first slowly and then fast…
A free Afghanistan
40 percent of the worlds R&D
Free Taiwan
Nylon
Elvis Presley
Air conditioning
Marshall Plan
South Korea
Democratic Nicaragua
Typewriter
A free Japan
Protection of world trading routes
Jazz
50 percent of the world food programme
The motorcar
The liberation of the Falklands
Berlin Airlift
The bra
Frozen food
Dishwasher
Denim jeans
$15bn HIV/AIDS programme
FM radio
Coca Cola
Free Haiti
Supercomputer
26 percent of global aid spending
Final message on screen with atlas of world without USA as image:
A WORLD WITHOUT AMERICA
A world with more disease, more poverty, more danger.
Sponsored by BritainAndAmerica.com
(Editor’s endnote: Wow, we’d better get on the step and make a list of things we should thank Europe for. I’ll start:
1. Pissing off our forefathers so bad that they came to America.
2. Some other things I can’t think of right now.)
– Ward
Oh, here’s the video:
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Some of these examples are a bit dodgy, for example motor cars have been around since before the USA existed.
Phil, could you please give me an example of a motor car that existed before 1776? I’m honestly curious.
Some interesting comments by Sam, so how about this:
1. The French and Spanish would have free reign to oppress Native American tribes in their North American Colonies, as well as the continued slaughter and oppression of these tribes by each other. Compared to the Spanish, the colonial English and other Europenas were Teddy Bears.
2. The Spanish would have extended agricultural slavery from their Carribean colonies throughout the American South, Southwest and West.
3. The entire North American South, Southwest and West would now look like Mexico, that is to say a Third World slum.
4. Hawaii, having been unified by brutal conquest , would look just like the rest of the Pacific Islands: constant tribal warfare and canabalism.
Changing the way things are isn’t the point. Evaluating the way things are, based on what might have been, is the point. Perhaps leading to better decisions for the future. It’s clear that leaving the 20th Century to the Europeans was a disaster.
” French aid to the Americans in the Revolutionary War bankrupted the French monarchy” ?
And I thought it was the world war being fought between France and England that caused that. Another (or perhaps a continuation of the same one) resulted from the French Revolution and Napoleon
One of my liberal acquaintances, when traveling overseas, wears a Canadian flag camera strap. But then he
Perhaps we’re being too hard on Phil. Didn’t Leonardo invent the motor car? Or perhaps it was the Chinese. Now that they are going to inherit the USSR’s super-power status, they claim to have invented everything, and all prior to 1,000 BCE at that!
Ward:
More things we should thank Europe (and the Brits) for:
Cheese.
Beer.
Arthur Conan Doyle.
Pasta.
Reindeer.
Did I already say Beer?
The printing press (no, the damned Chinese did NOT invent printing!).
Beer.
I’ll try to think of some more tomorrow.
“…and if you don
or computers – ever heard of Alan Turing?
>Despite what the folks at 18 Doughty Street would have us believe, most of us Europeans
>actually like America – we just happen to hate the bunch of crooks who are running the country.
The congressmen are selected by the majority of the people who have casted their vote. They represent our country, and the voice of the majority, at least partial. Criticism of our government is also indirectly criticism against the majority of the Americans. As an example of anti-Americanism, US is often criticized for imperialism, part of the anti-American slogans.
>BTW, without Europeans, you wouldn’t have the WWW and all the web sites to bitch about them.
Why would we need Europe for the WWW to function? Tell me who invented the Internet? What was it’s purpose? Are the Europeans the only other people who have access to the Internet today? We are not mentioning all Europeans about anti-Americanism and yes there are also other oppinions as well.
> Why would we need Europe for the WWW to function?
America may have invented the internet, but there is a little something called html, and another little something called the World Wide Web – invented by Tim Berners Lee (who happens to be British).
What are the components that define and describe anti-Americanism? My guesses are 1)liberal (Europe) vs conservative values (US) 2)values of Kantism influenced Europe (such as value of life, stnce of death penality in specific) and influence of John Locke’s values on Americans 3)a little of Protestant vs Catholic 4)regionalism and nationalism 5)weight of pacifism of Europe vs weight of spreading democracy more than pacifism of US 6)Social Democratic vs Capitalism 7)influence of anti-American Muslims within Europe.
Without America we would no doubt be worse off as 18 Doughty Street says. It is great that we now have a right-wing balance to the left-wing BBC and Channel 4 news.
At the same time, though, we must all recognise that all countries (England included) has its own interests paramount, and we should not be surprised that the US doesn’t always please everyone else — they would be weak and less successful if they did.
From what I’ve seen in my recent European travels (London, to be precise) I’d agree with Embersfire’s comment (posted at 1:16 am). And, for the record, I’m good with that.
Denim came from gay Paris!
Ummm.. wasn’t polo vaccine created by a canadian?
The internet was created by tim burner’s lee… its america that make the internet what it is today…
There is a lot of little things americia does to force out countries… such as a mandatory 20% culture import… they must import TV shows and movies
The super computer is a result of years of combined research.. someone would have invented it eventually… really this guy is really miss placing his credits…
Afganistan is “America’s forgotten war” and is far from free….
If america didn’t exist.. I’m sure someone else would do the same thing they do…..
Oh.. and Saddam Huesein wouldn’t ever gotten to power if america didn’t solidify his power and sell him weapons…
When I talk to the staffers in the offices of my Congressman or Senators, they tell me that there are days when not a single private citizen calls their office, or sends a fax. Their only interaction with the country on such days might be with professional lobbyists.
I do call, both Congress and the White House, send e-mail and faxes, write letters. I vote. I write letters to the editor of my local newspaper. I have only the power of a single citizen, but I do what I can to influence the policies of my government.
And yes, it is my government. Even when I
Pardon me Macaca, but less war?????
I am afraid that America has been the primary reason for the death of major wars over the past 60 years. American power has guaranteed the sovereignty of many more countries than it has grossly violated. If you consider the fact that no nation or empire has ever had such a qualitative advantage in military power in the history of man, America’s behavior has been, by historical precedent, incredibly benign. Do not take that as a sign that I am pleased with the current administration. Its foreign policy has demonstrated a naivete that would almost be impressive if it wasn’t so damn dangerous.
Sam,
Do you really think that the native peoples of the Americas would have been at all better off if we hadn’t broken away from Britain? First off the mast majority of them were “screwed” when the first white man made landfall. This would have happened no matter how good the intentions might have been as the slew of deadly pathogens that were novel to the western hemisphere would have ravaged every population across the continent. Then there is the issue of whether European powers would have treated them any better and from European experience in the Americas you would have to conclude that they would not.
A real grassroots effort, which in my opinion once did more for mutual transatlantic understanding than this PR-driven action, was the http://www.sorryeverybody.com/ website, with its sister project http://www.apologiesaccepted.com/ .
Calling the dislike of the US governmental/corporate policies “antiamericanism” and equaling it with hate towards rank-and-file Americans – so often themselves a collateral damage of those policies – is akin to using said Americans as psychological warfare human shields.
Please excuse the typos in my comment below.
- less cultural degeneration. The US puts out more food production that feeds more people around the world than Europe combined!
This should read:
America has the most diverse culture in the world. No one is forced to live one way or another. If you dont want our culture in your country stop buying our products. How many American films have you seen? how many McD’s burgers have you eaten? how many pairs of jeans do you own? As far as language, if you are in Euoro or Britain be thankfull its not Russian or German.
I know it must be hard to resist but I suspect things like the editor’s end note just perpetuate what is already a silly situation.
No argument there, JP. And we get paid for this? Soooweeet!
This video completely miss the point,a world without the United States of America would be very different.But nobody cares about that.
What people are complaining about isn’t the existence of the US,it’s the way the US is behaving.
Honestly,I am not anti-american and I consider the current US foreign policy to be stupid and extremely dangerous.
There’s also those who for some reasons believes it would be better if the US(and the west)stayed quiet instead of distributing bad points and good points to sovereign states like an all-seeing god.
There’s also those who believes that the US is far too powerful for its own good and the good of the world.Iraq probably confirmed their belief.
There’s the muslims,those are a special case.I guess they need a convenient scapegoat.
And there’s what I call the idiots.Self-righteous people mostly european and sometimes US liberals who contribute absolutely nothing and just critisize everything that isn’t perfectly moral by their completely unrealistic standard.Personnaly,I despise them.
Defensetech says Screw being partisan lets just go for full alt LLL wing insanity. and f*ck america tooo ahayeeyeyeaa
yeah and I guess it would be totally out of line to question the patriotism of you Sam, Macaca, Foreign Boy, Bison, Shad, JB, and ohh yeah Ward. You peeps remind me of a one of those dum super models that are near death (or dead) skinny becuase everytime you look in the mirror all you see is this or that imperfection. Self hate is a disease nobody’s perfect nor ever will be, that goes X’s 300+million for a nation the size of the US.
When you compare the US you must compare US to other nations not some unacheivable utopia figment that has never existed. For you guys I mentioned above name a better nation and go there PLEASE, we really don’t need ya. My nation the US may not be perfect but its by far the best nation on earth and we don’t need you self hating tards trying to drag US with you into some suicide becuase you hate yourself and your nation. Go suck a pistol (and no thats not a gay reference).
Thank god, a case of fiction keeping up with reality!
Technically the “European Security Advisory Group” was the first with plain “anti-anti-US” propaganda in many European newspapers and even on TV. This script sounds like a silly rerun of their Chemical, Biological and nuclear flavoured tv ads … http://www.bearstrong.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?search=esag#1461 Has anyone figured out if this involved US tax dollars and the US dept. of strategic influence yet? Sounds like a FOIA request for “anything related to DoD contact with VALE international” should do the trick.
But the British comedy series “Absolute power” was even closer to their ad. Look at Season 2 Episode 5 “Spinning America”. If you have paid you BBC license fees you could get a torrent…
http://www.demonoid.com/details.php?torrent_id=931777&5427554
The TV ad starts, A dark street in black and white, haunting voices
Uneasy narrator: “England 2010″
the camera moves on with a twitching low angle showing scared and depressed faces walking the otherwise empty shopping streets.
Uneasy narrator: “A fast food giant has driven out English restaurants from the British high streets”
The camera enters a small and dark fast food restaurant. A young guy stands behind a
He wears lederhosen. In strong accent he says “If you BUY the souper size fondue you get a free William tell doll”
The camera jumps back to the dark street
Uneasy narrator: “at the local cinema, the latest blockbuster is playing” the narrator says in a British accent that is getting stronger and stronger. The Camera zooms in on a movie poster it entitled:”The last tram from Zurich”
In front of a music store
Uneasy narrator: “And home grown bands dont have a chance of topping the charts”… In the window display a TV play a music clip…. ITS YODELING!
A warm voice with a US accent: “If there has to be a world supper power, aren`t you glad it isn`t Switzerland?” A colorful waving US flag appears AND “Why everybody loves America!!!!!” the attack ad finishes ;-)
“Absolute power” is a brilliant BBC comedy that is as accurate about the work of the Rendon or Lincoln group and VALE international as “Yes minister” was about British politics ;-)
It’s fairly interesting, and to those commenting on he bias of defensetech… Please get over. Stop seeing shadows in every corner. It’s just news, they report it.
I think the message is a bit subversive (that end bit?) but overall probably not bad. Then again here in the states, I’d be happy if foxnews would run something like “MUSLIMS: NOT ALL BAD” or such.
Hey, C-Low if this nation is the best one ever on this planet then explain to me why black americans are still being discriminated systematically in our society and got introduced to the tail end of the chain which ‘happens’ to be tied to the rear bumper of a frigging pickup truck and dragged? What about the mistreatment of Japanese, Italian, Irish, Hispanic and Chinese Americans? I suppose one needs to be of the right color to be ‘treated correctly’ here in America and if that’s the case then I need to go elsewhere as I’m a mix with blood from different races. This administration needs to go as it policies are very divisive and provocative.
I am absolutely serious Wade and others. Still waiting for someone to name this utopian dreamland that beats the US in the world. Hell you guys can even use historical nations that are long dead. Until you can name a nation that is better the US is the best.
That self hating super model can be pretty convincing with why she is really an ugly monster needing emergency plastic surgery and less here cover here nip tuck blah blah. Like I said self hatred is a disease.
Some points:
An automobile powered by the Otto gasoline engine was invented in Germany by Karl Benz in 1885.
Alan Mathison Turing, OBE (June 23, 1912
The stupidity of Liberals really shines throughout this post.
Italian physicist Enrico Fermi fled Italy and became an American teaching at the University of Chicago where the first nuke test occured.
J. Robert Oppenheimer was the scientific director of the Manhattan Project and born in New York City. Yes there were a lot of other scientists from around the world, but thats America isnt it?
“Alan Mathison Turing, OBE (June 23, 1912
”
Some of these examples are a bit dodgy, for example motor cars have been around since before the USA existed.Posted by: Phil Hunt at February 22, 2007 12:06 AM ” well, not exactly Phil:
Leonaardos was for a compression”LESS” engine.
# 1509: Leonardo da Vinci described a compression-less engine.
# 1673: Christiaan Huygens described a compression-less engine.[1]
# 17th century: English inventor Sir Samuel Morland used gunpowder to drive water pumps.
# 1780′s: Alessandro Volta built a toy electric pistol ([1]) in which an electric spark exploded a mixture of air and hydrogen, firing a cork from the end of the gun.
# 1794: Robert Street built a compression-less engine whose principle of operation would dominate for nearly a century.
# 1806: Swiss engineer Fran
Yes, people get dragged behind a car/pickup here and only here in amreica but not anywhere else. What a pity! I can’t believe the ‘greatest’ nation that ever graced the surface of this planet actually condones practices like lynching and use of such degrading words as n_____ against it’s own citizens. No one race built this nation singhandedly but it took the collective efforts of different people to accomplish the work. The Germans to till the land; the Italians to build the houses; the Irish and the Chinese to help built the railroad that connected the country. These are just samples of what others had done for this country.
Surely this is a hoax to stir up trouble?
(That famous British ‘irony’ which is supposed to baffle the US)
You’re probably right, David. It’s like that Benny Hill caper back in the ’70s. The nation is still scratching its collective head over that one.
C-Low, since when does criticism equate to hate? When your mommy told you to buckle up, did she hate you? When your friend tells you you’ve had a bit too much to drink, does he hate you?
Of course not. So why is it that criticising America = hating America, in your mind?
Oh please, it’s *impossible* to know how the world would look like without USA.
And what’s now going on has practically zero to do with freedom. The neocons are imperialists and if you don’t know that then you haven’t read their own papers and agendas. It’s nothing but self serving interests to become the global hegemony, to have “full spectrum dominance” in all areas such as space, internet, water, land, economy, resources etc…things that would make any imperial madman proud. The common American has no clue on what’s really going on.
And don’t come talking about freedom when freedom after freedom is being eroded although no real domestic threats have shown up like the supposed hundreds or thousands sleeper cells that are just waiting to be activated.
Dictators Supported by the U.S. Governments:
http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/dictators.htm
CIA Third World War How 6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm
What I’ve Learned About US Foreign Policy: The war against the Third World:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453261789658676035
That’s some information to counterbalance the “we’re the exception” myth. Our own crimes is nothing we’d like to see, and no school really teaches them.
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality–judiciously, as you will–we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
It will be interesting to see if people like Ron Paul is correct about another gulf of Tonkin event to launch the Iran war to go after made up nuclear threats or like Brzezinski just recently said that a terrorist attack within USA would be blamed on Iran. Another operation northwoods anyone?
I’m no fan of theocrats in the middle-east but I’m also certainly not fan of the self serving hypocrisy from maniacs who want to become kings of the world. Empires always fail, and USA will fail as well if it doesn’t stop acting like an empire.
And no, sending troops to quigmire after quigmire is not supporting the troops. And it’s not about protecting freedom no matter how much you’d like it to be the truth.
1984, some of that might be true, but look at the choices at that time and the alternatives. Sure as hell makes alot of sinse to me.
Didn’t Al Gore invent the car in 1775? I mean, he invented the Internet didn’t he?
Can’t tell if you’re sarcastic or not but..
Gore + internet claim = false
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
1984, some of that might be true, but look at the choices at that time and the alternatives. Sure as hell makes alot of sinse to me.
Posted by: Mike1 at February 22, 2007 11:25 PM
In many cases the alternatives have been far far better.
I thought I was done with this, but some of these posts just beg for a response. (Not Thomas L. Nielsen from Denmark. He’s just background noise).
If you think anti-Americanism isn’t a disease of the American radical left, just read the posts from 1984. I don’t know who he is or where he’s from–he’ll hide behind the anonymity of a book title–but he sounds like a rabid spoiled Columbia student. And virtually illiterate, as are most Columbia students.
I do however agree with some of 1984s advice–we shouldn’t send any troops to quigmire after quigmire. Quigmires are TERRIBLE places. You get Quigs in your boots if you don’t cover them up over night, and beer goes flat almost immediately.
Lets all agree to stay out of quigmires!
I checked out http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp to see if we have all been berating poor Al unjustly. Well, I think not. They go through double back flips of logic trying to say he didn’t mean if he said it, but he said it: “…I took the initiative in creating the Interent.” Res Ipsa Loquitur.
Mike, there’re several problems with the ‘lesser of two evils’ argument.
In the first place, the pattern of behavior seen in the Cold War was simply a continuation of the policies begun with the Spanish-American War. The difference was that America was acting globally, rather than just in Latin America and parts of the Pacific.
In the second place, quite a few American decisions had nothing to do with combating or containing the USSR. Take the overthrow of the freely elected Iranian government, for instance; Mossadegh, despite the rhetoric, was not a communist. Or Ho Chi Minh; the US govt. spent years trying to find evidence that he was being directed from the Kremlin. It didn’t find any, and so declared (in 1948, IIRC) that so long as Minh didn’t sever all ties with and publicly repudiate the USSR, he must be a tool of the worldwide communist conspiracy. Which was nonsense.
..and then I came upon this, also on Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/winston.asp
It reminds me that we have been friends for a long time, and will disagree as friends do, but are still bound powerfully by shared culture and past events.
I think as time passes, we will forget current differences and be fine friends again.
Anyone looking forward to the Academy Awards? Talk about a now defunct video? Although there are many things we can be thankful for, as a Super Power, Americans continue to embarass themselves. I can’t wait until the democrats take control of the White House. Better yet, I think America (a major superpower) is ready for a woman president. Oh, yes, one other thing, she’s got Terry McAuliffe on her side.
oh one more thing.. that isn’t even the surface of issues that piss me off.. so in the words of John Paul Jones
“I have no yet begun to fight!!”
DW:
Of course Ho was a communist. But he was a nationalist first. He was friendly toward America, and made several efforts to form ties; these efforts were ignored by the Truman admin. His ties to the USSR and PRC consisted of getting guns from them, essentially; and he only needed to form such ties because the west was actively involved in oppressing the populace of the area.
He was no more a tool of the USSR or the ChiComs than, say, the Mujahadeen were a tool of America. What’s more, the Americans in Indochina were well aware of this, and repeatedly told the Truman admin that this was the case. They were ignored as well.
The decision to back the French and suppress moves toward independence was purely realpolitik. (De Gaulle, if you’ll recall, essentially said to Truman that if France didn’t get its colonies back, it’d go make nice with the USSR. Rather than challenging this, Truman acquised and aided France in its quest to reassert control over Indochina. The troop ships that took French forces to Indochina in ’45 were American).
By the time the French lost, Washington had managed to convince itself, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that the Vietnamese nationalist movement was an appendage of the Kremlin and/or ChiComs. Partly this was due to McCarthyism, the attendant anti-commie fervor, and the purging from State of people who actually knew Indochina from a hole in the ground. Partly it was obstinance and wishful thinking. It was wholly a mistake, however.
1984. I’m interested could you enlighten us to your background? I say this in the form of are you a student? a student of history? a teacher of history? The reason I ask is that you sound just like a professor I had many years ago.
Max; I am lost as to this comment . “Partly this was due to McCarthyism, the attendant anti-commie fervor, and the purging from State of people who actually knew Indochina from a hole in the ground. Partly it was obstinance and wishful thinking. It was wholly a mistake, however.” Fisrt how does McCarthyism play into that. McCarthy was all about Communists/sympathizers in the Govt. Which I would add were well founded. If ANYONE says that he was wrong or just a madman go and do the research, read the Vernona files. It clearly shows that there were people in high places that we were to be afraid of. Second. at what level do you believe that the Soviets or Chicoms were not helping the NVA? It also has to be recognized that prior to Kennedy’s death there was a very real possibility that the US was going to intercede in Angola rather than Vietnam. At this point I will concede that there was a much greater threat of soviet involvment in Angola than in Vietnam. Which is why Kennedy wanted Angola. I have to do some reading before commenting on the rest.
well max is right the chinese and the vietnamese didn’t like each other.. and they still don’t.. but don’t underestimate a communist country.. the thing i hate the most is ppl who see what they wanna see and i’m not accusing you of this max i’m just saying. ppl see chinese ppl and they see ppl who love americans… just because they wear western clothes doesn’t mean they wanna be western.. now .. the ppl are not inherently bad ppl. but i wouldn’t underestimate the control the govt has on it’s people anyone remember tianamen square. and in both the korean and vietnam war.. i don’t know if this was mentioned in this post.. both wars saw action of SOVIET fighter pilots.. we never could prove this at the time but it was later proved with soviet records so ho may not have been a moscow puppet but he had signifigant help from them.. and kim (senior) had help from both beijing and moscow. anyway the point of this is. communist countries may not like each other but they have come to each others aid in the past. and russia may not be commi anymore but i wouldn’t be so eager to trust putin just yet. just look at the stink he’s makeing over the estonia statue thing
“communist countries may not like each other but they have come to each others aid in the past.”
Well, yes. And? We aided the USSR while it fought Germany. We aided the Muhajadeen vs. the USSR.
That doesn’t mean we were allies, or joined at the hip. It means that, at the time, we had a mutual enemy. Nothing more.
If it’s 1948, and the French–with American funding–are your enemy, who are you going to look to for support/supplies/training/’advisors’? If it’s 1960, and the GVN–with American funding, equipment, training, and advisors–is your enemy, who are you going to look to for aid? If it’s 1970, and America and the GVN are your enemies, who are you going to look to for aid?
The USSR and ChiComs, of course. Who else would give you aid for the express purpose of thwarting American strategic objectives? Not the first world–they rely on America. Not the third world–they couldn’t even if they wanted to. Which leaves the second world.
“The liberation of the Falklands” huh? am I missing something here? Maybe the authors were thinking of the Argentinian ‘liberation’. The US did play a part in that seeing as they sold them the amtracs they landed in. That and the A4s the Argentinian AF used to launch CAP missions against Royal Navy ships.
The actual liberation was as a result of the British Army and the Royal Navy, and not as a result of some very minor diplomatic wrangling to save face by the State Dept.
Can we lay off the revisionist history, it is was it is.
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