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Gotta love the Tomcat — it just won’t give up the limelight! As Glenn Close says in Fatal Attraction, “I will not be ignored, Dan!“
Pinch Paisley
Feds Seize Old Privately-Owned F-14s
(AP)– Federal agents seized four retired F-14 fighter jets that authorities said were improperly transferred from the Navy to two air museums and the company that produced the TV show “JAG.“
The Tomcats were not properly demilitarized before being transferred to private parties, according to a statement issued Tuesday by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which worked with the Defense Criminal Investigative Service and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service in a 17-month investigation.
Under the rigorous demilitarization process, navigation, radar and other sensitive equipment are disabled so they can no longer perform military functions, said Cmdr. Dave Werner, a U.S. Navy spokesman.
“In this case, it seems (the jets) didn’t formally undergo the process,” Werner said.


Two of the jets were at the Yanks Air Museum in Chino, California, another was at the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, and the fourth, which was acquired by Paramount Pictures, then resold to a scrap dealer, had been stored at a facility operated by Southern California Aviation at the Southern California Logistics Airport in Victorville, California.
None of the jets were currently flyable, but one in Chino still has its engines and was at least superficially in very good condition, said ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice. The other three do not have engines but were otherwise essentially whole, she said.
There was no indication any of the hardware fell into the wrong hands “but it does present a vulnerability,” Kice said.
After-hours calls to curators at the Yanks Air and Planes of Fame museums were not immediately returned Tuesday. Efforts to reach Mark Thomson, the scrap dealer who bought the F-14 from the producer of “JAG,” were unsuccessful.
The Navy added F-14s to the fleet in 1972 and retired the last of them in 2006.
Iran, which acquired F-14s in the 1970s when it was an ally of the United States, is the only country trying to keep the jets in the air.
With little ability to produce parts on its own, Iran is aggressively pursuing several avenues to obtain U.S. spares, including contacting American aerospace supply companies or using U.S-based “front companies” to broker deals, according to an affidavit filed in support of the F-14 seizures.
“The aircraft, therefore, present an extreme safety hazard to the public, with potential liability on the part of the United States Department of Navy,” ICE special agent Joshua Barnett wrote in the affidavit.
The four seized jets were retired from active service at the Naval Air Station at Point Mugu, California in the late 1990s. A former Naval Chief Warrant Officer told investigators he sold the F-14s to a scrap dealer without verifying they were properly demilitarized and expected the fighter jets to be destroyed, the affidavit said.
“The same thing that makes these planes a source of interest for aircraft enthusiasts, their relatively pristine condition, also makes them desirable for those with less innocent motives,” Robert Schoch, special agent in charge for the ICE office of investigations in Los Angeles, said in a statement.
“The strict regulations governing the transfer of military aircraft are designed to reduce the likelihood that sensitive equipment and technology might fall into the hands of individuals or countries seeking to do us or our allies harm,” Schoch said.
The jets will be partially dismantled and taken to the military’s Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Center in Tucson, Arizona, for storage and final demilitarization.

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Mr. mike March 7, 2007 at 7:06 pm

Thats seems like pretty thin ice to justify seizing private property. If the jets were legaly purchased than this goverment seizure amounts to theft. In my opinon.

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Geedeck March 7, 2007 at 8:05 pm

They’re classified military vehicles that weren’t decomissioned properly… We’re not talking about someone’s Honda Civic. And Iran has specifically been trying to obtain F-14 parts. If this is thin ice, then why is that elephant walking across it?

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George Skinner March 8, 2007 at 4:23 pm

Lots of good reasons to seize those planes for demilitarizatino, although it is strange that they’re being sent to the boneyard instead of simply returning them after the work is done. In Canada, the former fighters donated to museums have often had their main wing spar cut in order to ensure that they’re no longer militarily value, let alone flyable again.

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Doug March 9, 2007 at 12:10 pm

A working military radar would be quite a find for an Iranian F14 that had radar problems! I don’t care much who owns the F14′s as long as no parts get into Irainian hands!

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Ian M. Guajardo March 9, 2007 at 12:26 pm

Regardless what the outcome of this situation the F-14s that were sold to these two organizations should have mandated that certain ‘government owned hardware’ should have been removed or destroyed to twart off any potential ‘midnight supply runs’ for the Iranian arms dealers!
It is NO secret that Iranian arms dealers are frantic in aquiring any type of (American-made) F-14 spare airframes, engines, avionics, and related parts to maintain their fleet.
I am not against the DOD selling off retired aircraft (even the famous F-14) to museams, movie studios, private collections, educational facilities (A & P training facilities), and static displays.
But the DOD must make sure that these aircraft and certain valuable or sensitive spare parts can never be used in any flyable aircraft like Iranian F-14s!
The DOD must get their act together regarding this subject!!!
If our nation has to go to war against Iran regarding their nuclear weapons program it will be hard to explain to the American peaple that Iranian F-14s were used against our aviation assets with parts recently supplied by our country.
Regardless of the condition of the Iranian F-14s they still pose a clear and present danger to region! At the later part of WWII our navy experienced the Japanese kamakazi attacks of our advancing fleet.
Don’t be surprised that Iran will find some Jihadist homicide pilot to fly his F-14 into an American supercarrier in the Persian gulf!

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Capt pliskin, n.c. March 9, 2007 at 12:39 pm

If you give a monkey a razor blade he will hurt himself, if you give him a hammer he will hurt you.If you have ever met an arab you know they have no fuse at all, and they freak out on everything at the drop of a pin. It would be wise to post the names of the pukes who do sell the arab’s anything, nuff said.

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Charles March 9, 2007 at 12:43 pm

The F-14 is a system that has an immediate mission available…DARPA is looking at using a combination of the F-15 and and the Patriot Missile as a solution to CONUS cruise missile defense. Why not look to the 100+ F-14D’s as a better soltuion. The F-14D,coupled with the already proven AIM-54C,are a far better solution,which could be covering CONUS within 90 days of the decision to proceed. We have NAVAIR facilities on all three coasts, trained crews still available, and a mission that is looking at the wrong solution. Is anyone thinking about this solution, or is it too easy, and too readily available?

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Charles March 9, 2007 at 12:45 pm

The F-14 is a system that has an immediate mission available…DARPA is looking at using a combination of the F-15 and and the Patriot Missile as a solution to CONUS cruise missile defense. Why not look to the 100+ F-14D’s as a better soltuion? The F-14D,coupled with the already proven AIM-54C,are a far better solution,which could be covering CONUS within 90 days of the decision to proceed. We have NAVAIR facilities on all three coasts, trained crews still available, and a mission that is looking at the wrong solution. Is anyone thinking about this solution, or is it too easy, and too readily available?

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Art Waucht March 9, 2007 at 1:22 pm

I wonder if anyone has checked with Hertz?
You know Hertz Rent A Jet?

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CI 4life March 9, 2007 at 1:27 pm

Specifically, cav”hero”, you’re not getting the point, nor do I believe you have all the facts. Desperate times in Iran call for desperate measures. It’s the only thing they have left that can fight in the air (if they had competent crews to do it with). They will put forth great effort and resources to make them airworthy. Your friends at NCIS, AFOSI and USACIDC thank you for your cooperation.

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MikeKnable March 9, 2007 at 2:37 pm

Ah, so what, everyone else is stealing us blind, and Bush and Cheney are selling us to Halliburton,
so what can we expect from the troops. Snafu as usual..

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Soonercraig March 9, 2007 at 2:39 pm

If you go to Google Earth and look at the large Air Base near Isfahan Iran you can see several F-14s parked near their acft shelters. If you can’t find them it means one of several things which probably should be given some careful thought… I’d be very surprised if the Iranians weren’t ‘reverse engineering’ everything on these aircraft which they should be able to do – especially when you remember that the technology of the F-14 they have on hand is 20+ years old. The assumption always seems to be (especially from reading the condesending tone of the article) that everyone who lives in another country (especially middle eastern / SW Asia countries) are barely functional crude bomb makers… For those of a more ‘lessons of history’ nature I would refer you to the history of a large number of our inventory of F-105s falling out of the sky in pieces early in the air war over North Vietnam due to NVA air defense action. There we also underestimated the enemy – with the resulting costly learning curve in lives… So to assume that these F-14s aren’t operational and probably upgraded with techhnology that is newer than 20+ years old is not a very prudent ‘threat assesment’ way to go – at least if you are the one doing the mission planning.

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Lt Col Harvey D. Bennett March 9, 2007 at 2:44 pm

I am the Vice president of public relations for the Gold Coast chapter of the Air Force Association (AFA)here in Florida. We have to replace an F-86 that was damaged during hurricane Wilma. The aircraft was located on a cement pylon at the entrance of Holiday Park in Ft.Lauderdale.
Our AFA members have been working with the City of Ft. Lauderdale in addressing this problem. Repairing the aircraft is very costly and we would like to replace it with another fighter aircraft. The F-86 is located at the Ft. Lauderdale Executive airport whetre it has sat for over a year.
My question: Is it possible to obtain a demiliterized fighter, such as the F-14 from a military surplus source? Can you help us?
Thank you.
Lt Col Harvey D. Bennett, CAP
U.S Air Force Aux.
fxepilot@aol.com

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sailray March 9, 2007 at 2:46 pm

INSTEAD OF HASSELING SOME COMPANY OR ORGINIZATION.. JUST DE-MIL IT ON SITE AND DO A BACKGROUND WHO THE WHITECOLLARED IDIOT WAS THAT IMPROPERLY RELEASED THE F-14 FOR SALE IN THE FIRST PLACE..THE RADARS(SEVERAL)CAN BE PULLED OUT ONSITE. THEY WERE PULLED OUT ON BOARD SHIP AND DIDNT HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED TO A SPECIAL SITE…WITH THE AMOUNT OF GRAFT AND UNDERHAND DEALINGS WITH IN THE BUSH ,CHANEY ,HALLIBURTON RING… THEY ARE THE ONES THAT THE GOVT. COPS SHOULD BE CHECKING..

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wildman March 9, 2007 at 3:00 pm

It seems to me that the problem rests with the
DOD ensure that all our military sales are without any sensitive equipment that could come back to hurt us. If discovered that this has not happened, correct it immediately at our expense, and then leave the jets with the people that bought them.
Of course for that to happen the Military Industrial Complex would have to stop spending money long enough to accomplish that mission.
A Jet that is still under our control by parties that are loyal to this nation is not as big a problem as someone having the guts to step up and say NO loud enough to stop the spending for items that are either not ready for use, will not do what they are touted to do, cost what the agreement was in the begining of the contract, and put on hold all contracts for future “high tech” weapons from manfacturers that we have stock piles from that are not working or performing as they claimed they would when they were paid for them.
And as far as Bush is concerned, I am sure you are being paid by a company to do a job and are responsible for that job being done. If your performance is lower than expected you will be fired.
Why don’t you ignorant people get a grip that he is not reponsible for everything bad in your life. He is President -yes,but he has political lifers that are susposed to be experts in their job. That itself is an absolute joke – and that includes both sides of the isle.
His results depend on people that are susposed to never lie to him, never cover up their mistakes, especially the ones that could damage this nation, and furnish him with advise that he in turn uses to direct this country efforts.

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TBird March 9, 2007 at 3:03 pm

Pure and simple incompetence! Heads should roll. The key word being, “should”!

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Richard March 9, 2007 at 3:51 pm

So long as the owners of the planes don’t have replacement parts—–Then they won’t be flying for very long. Maintenence personel will be a problem also. But parts are the big item to gain.
Rob Peter to pay Paul but in the end, Peter has petered out! No aircraft can survive for very long without the manufacturer supplying parts when it comes to Jets and Tanks and related equipment. Ya get down to an M-16 or an AK then the parts are plentiful if ya need any?

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Richard McPherson March 9, 2007 at 3:51 pm

This is nothing new. The sales of used DOD equipment is full of fraud; mostly by non-uniformed people managing assets after we are done with them taking bribes.

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JFSleuth March 9, 2007 at 4:04 pm

I didn’t even see the name Bush mentioned in the article. Nor did I see anything “blaming” him or anyone associted with him for this situation.
Mistakes were made. Now that the appropriate people are aware of it, changes are being made to remedy it.
‘Nuff said.

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captainedd March 9, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Well, it’s good to know that the Iranians were buying tires and not avionics for the tomcats…unlike what they did in the 70′s with the Phantoms, by buying avionics, but no tires, so they couldn’t even take off from the ground! Oh well, it’s safe to say that the only constant in the universe is the bureaucratic mentality…(apologies to Leonard McCoy)

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RGant March 9, 2007 at 5:07 pm

The good warrant officer failed to exercise his moral duty when he claimed “he sold the planes!”
To edify, demilitarization process is not a one man show. It is handled in stages and if this process fell in the cracks, the Navy Regulations, must be closely scrutinized the associated staff be returned to active duty if retired to pay the prize of thier poor performance. Working with Army Materiel Readiness, this does not make sense. Punishment should not always be pointed to the lowest ranker, but all the way to those folks who failed to verify their quality control procedures (QC). Shame on you Navy Officers, leave it to your better enlisted sailors to do the job for you. To those at fault, yet made your promotion, Congratulations. “ANCHORS AWEIGH….. HOPE YOU’RE AT THE END OF THE ROPE/CHAIN!”

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raptor001 March 9, 2007 at 5:20 pm

This usual Government stupidity not the hard working mechanics that have maintained them through there Flying lives. I you want blood then lets see which government office really suppose to over see this program and have there rear end.

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Navrinc March 9, 2007 at 6:35 pm

What a sad day when all the tomcats died. As a former production control enlisted, my signature is in 50 percent of those logbooks. As usual, NCIS is sweating bullets about nothing. I doubt the parts the Iranians need are in any of them.

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eagle 1939 March 9, 2007 at 8:16 pm

Hey Navy!
hope the f14′s dont come back and bite you in the posterior. or launch a missle down your gullets.

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Trashdummiee March 9, 2007 at 11:44 pm

Funny thing, I used to be part of an F-14 Tomcat inspection team from COMFITWINGONE OCEANA. If ICE or any other police organization made a statement about and F-14′s condition without checking with REAL Tomcat inspectors, shame on them. The guys and gals I worked with were one of the best two inspection teams in the world. The othe team can speak for themselves. Don’t confuse B.S. with facts, thats the job of our elected representatives.
R. Smith SCPO (AW) USN RET, also A.S.,ATA, BS/BM

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gary lynch March 9, 2007 at 11:57 pm

I’ve visited the planes of fame museum many times. That F-14 was missing it’s engines, and after burners, it

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mrushin March 10, 2007 at 12:24 am

This is one of those birds that could reach out and touch our foes,(when the F/A-18 can’t even go a 1/4 of that distance to defend a battle group the way it needs to be defended) [DO YOU REMEMBER LYBIA IN 1981 & in 1989]. A hornet can’t even fly without a drop tank. Oh well so much for the original plan to upgrade these wonderful birds of prey with the same electronics systems that the F/A-18s have.
I do remember when I went to Framp school on the F/A-18A’s in 1984. The instructor’s stated ” If you had a 4th grade education you could work on this A/C”. The F/A-18 was after all designed for 3rd world countries that didn’t need the skills that the United States had to maintian an a/c.
I believe that the only reason we ever put this A/C into the NAVY’S inventory was due to a gov’t legislature compromise. If it ain’t broke “DON’T FIX IT!!!”

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bryan mcgee March 10, 2007 at 1:43 am

I would have to agree that it is sad that the millitary has retired such a kick ass plane like the f 14 tomcat. pretty soon all the planes of my childhood will be gone.I just hope that the US does not sell or donate these auewsome planes to the wrong people like the Irainians or any other rag head country

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marc March 10, 2007 at 10:39 am

It’s a shame that the Navy might of not correctly totally demilitarize some of the decommisioned F-14s. In this day and age of terrorism, this shouldn’t be an issue. But, as I read on, Iran is having problems acquiring parts for their own F-14s; which means its costly and time consuming to keep them reliable. Who knows, maybe there’s going to be a black market for desirable F-14 jets or parts? I don’t know how many F-14s are still around, other than the ones in Iran and four decommissioned listed in this article. I still think the F-14 is still a unbeatable plane and a threat if a pristine jet (like the one in Chino) fell into the wrong hands.
When I was in the Navy, as a A-6E Aviation Mechanic, I heard alot of the F-14 capabilities; very multi-functional. I know a local retired F-14 BN who told me alot of stories about sorties in the jet; just awesome. Of course, the F-14 has its flaws, like any jet, and I know the military is well aware of them in case it fell into the wrong hands. Hopefully, this will never a issue.
I read a post in here about the F/A-18 Hornets. I’m surprized that they still have a fuel consumption issue (needing drop tanks). That seemed to be the problem when they were being tested. Our squadron of A-6 tankers used to follow the Hornets around during flight Ops in Fallon and Florida. So I would imagine that the F/A-18s are a “short range” fighter/light attack plane. Something different than the long range Tomcats.
I’m thinking there’s a whole new strategy in the Aircraft Carriers’ battlegroup, then when I was in the Navy. Back then, we had; F-14s, A-6s, A-7s.
Now, the Navy has funneled those outstanding aircraft into the F/A-18? I wonder how it all came possible when I left the military? Things have definiately changed. I still think the old Airwing group is unbeatable. The F-14s, that singed my eyebrows everytime it took off the fight deck (afterburner), is still one of the best fighters ever built.

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Henry March 10, 2007 at 2:26 pm

There is a simple fix. Make it treason to sell weapons or articles that may be used as weapons or information to an county that is an enemy of the United States, either declared by US or them, an act of “Treason” punishable by death!
I’m tired of people committing these acts that put the lives of American solders at risk for personal gain getting 5 years or 10 years. They deserve the firing squad!

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mike striker March 10, 2007 at 6:08 pm

can someone please bring back the f-4 phantom? and the tomcat? big guns, big bombs, and lots of napalm, lets rain terror on those sand ——-, lets blast them all to hell

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darren March 10, 2007 at 8:27 pm

I think we were stupid enough to give the F-14 to I ran in the first place. Now we can supply them with their needs for parts! Which will happen!

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dave March 10, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Marc, one very major advantage of the F/A 18 Hornet is the fact that it is a Fighter/Bomber. The A-6E was a great Bomber, but no forward fire capability, so you relied on F-4 or F-14 protection. During Desert Storm while serving on the Saratoga, there was a case of an F/A-18 splashing an Iraqi, then going to air ground mode and delivering their bombs. Yes, the F-14 Tomcat is a great Fighter, but time marches on.

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HERETIC March 11, 2007 at 5:48 am

Either you are selling arms or you are not selling arms. The U.S. Arms Industry supports the livelihood of millions of Americans, putting the lives of a few Americans at risk come with the territory. Sales of weapons should not be exclusive to big corporations, private individuals ought to be able to cannibalize equipments for parts and sell them to any Tom, Dick and Harry who can afford to pay in order to make a living. Would we feel better if American lives were put in danger by foreign made gadgets ? The quality, skill and knowledge of American service persons should be ultimate safeguard of American lives. Not a few pieces of junks.

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jonathan Strogan March 11, 2007 at 9:23 am

I think that it was stupid to retire the F-14 in the first place. For the simple fact that its radar system can kill several targets at once. This just the federal government way of spending money when it doesn’t have to. The F-14 is still a great airplane. In the wrong hands it can still take out alot of targets at one time. If the plane falls into the wrong hands it can and will kill american miltary and civilian targets. This is another case of stupid people in power doing stupid things.

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jonathan Strogan March 11, 2007 at 9:24 am

I think that it was stupid to retire the F-14 in the first place. For the simple fact that its radar system can kill several targets at once. This just the federal government way of spending money when it doesn’t have to. The F-14 is still a great airplane. In the wrong hands it can still take out alot of targets at one time. If the plane falls into the wrong hands it can and will kill american miltary and civilian targets. This is another case of stupid people in power doing stupid things.

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D. Sirard ATCS(AW) Retired March 11, 2007 at 9:38 am

As a former Maintenance Chief, 15 years with F14A & D’s and 6 years with F/A-18A-F’s, I can tell you that they both have their pro’s and con’s, just like any other aircraft. My true love though is the Tomcat, just ask anyone. All you old Tomcat maintainers out there will confirm, no matter how many hours, blood, sweat and tears were spent maintaining them, there was nothing but pride watching one take off to perform its mission. To this day when I go to a museum displaying a Tomcat, I stand there in amazement and honor that I was blessed to be apart of the Tomcat community. I have been part of SARDIP functions, along with prepping aircraft to become static displays for a base or museum. I even had the sad distinction of watching a scrap metal company chop a Tomcat into pieces and haul it off in trucks. I just find it hard to believe that one person is responsible for aircraft being sent to a museum, before they were prepped to do so. No way! Others were responsible as well and as usual one person, usually the low man on the totem pole, is the one that is at fault. I’d be curious to know if he was even familiar with the Aviation Community??? The fact is these aircraft were purchased by museums with good faith, so the public would be able to view one of these honorable aircraft up close. Somehow they were delivered without being prepped for display. To me, this snafu was not their fault, but yet they are being penalized, along with the public, by the removal of these aircraft from the museums. Granted these aircraft, in the condition that they are reportedly in, need to be corrected. It’s reported that they are going to send a team to dismantle and prep the aircraft for transportation to another location. Why can’t they just send a team in to go through the aircraft as required to ensure that they are in a condition to be a static display? Everyone wins! I am also curious to know the BuNo or the markings of the one aircraft that still have the engines installed? Sounds like an aircraft that was kept at a base in California that I was stationed at?

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Evin March 11, 2007 at 12:15 pm

ok, so first off, i personally believe that they shouldn’t have retired the tomcat. and second off, if they didnt want iran to have the parts, then they ( the government) needs to do a better job at disassembling the planes.

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Jim March 11, 2007 at 2:48 pm

These Jets are not private property, the Warrent Officer who sold them, did not have authorty to sell them…
So they are illegally purcahsed, and that is where the theft is….
Trust me you cannot just buy Tomcat or any piece of one….
All the museum birds are still owned by the Military, and are on loan to muesum, and are inspected regularly to ensure they are maintained…
I’m a retired Maintenance Master Chief and worked on Tomcats for 15 years, and part of my job was ensuring that the tax payers equipment was secured and maintained….

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Rainman March 11, 2007 at 3:44 pm

So it’s come down to some retired CWO selling non demilled aircraft. You can hardly find an M151A2 Jeep that’s not cut into pieces, and some guy is selling entire planes? Is this retired Navy man still getting his retirement from good ole Uncle Sam? Oh yeah, how much and what happened to the cash?. And some of you think we have the whole story yet! Come on, what are the chances anyone would keep a secret from the American public?

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D. March 11, 2007 at 8:07 pm

Jim, I thought that aircraft at museums were owned by the museums, not still owned and on loan from the military. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Rainman, point taken minus questioning my retirement.
For Excellent Tomcat info check out Home of M.A.T.S. or Tomcat Alley websights.

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ABHAN John Wagner March 11, 2007 at 8:40 pm

The F14 should be preserved as were the aircraft of the prevous wars .But she is more deadly than the p51 mustang or even the famous B17. great care should be taken by the govenment. maybe the Blue Angles could fly a few of them to and from airshows. I would love to be able to work with this great aircraft again.

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AM1 March 12, 2007 at 3:21 am

F-14′s were great aircrafts.
I miss the people from VF-124 (NAS Miramar).
Thanks for the good years.

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Welduh March 12, 2007 at 5:39 am

What! they took an opportunity to make bad parts available to Iran – then decided they might be liable if those parts made their way into an accident on US soil?

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Sudilos March 12, 2007 at 12:41 pm

I call Bullshit on this one. By Navigation they mean “Wings”, by Radar they mean “Windshield” and by other systems they mean “engines”.
They are all but saying the aircraft were recovered due to an Iranian Effort to Obtain them, and person to person resell of the units.
That IS a problem.
I believe one or Two models should be kept flight capable “engines not installed.” by wealthy privet benifactor, such as Billgates, in a secure manner and location/base. To preserve this bit of Our history for our future. Civilians shouldn’t have one parked in thier driveway.
On Terror and theat of this, I seriously doubt a terrorist force could aquire, flight prep, arm with missles, and carry out an attack. 911 was just some guys on a flyable plane already in the air. Big diffrence. Now.
Would ya shut up about terror already, you’ve been brain washed to make it an every day word even thou the last terrorist action on American soil was thousands of blinking LED devices placed on a city bridges to promote “Aqua teen hunger force”. The one before that was years ago.
By speaking About Terror as an every day thing, You become the Terrorist. /salute Good job Hero.
I Lost someone in 911 and I dont even Feel threatened by Terrorists or talk about Terror Attacks. Thats thanks to YOU. I live just fine thanks. All I’m saying is, now that we’re Safe. Let it go? eh? Cmon :D Can I get a group hug?
I call this Elephant and the mouse Syndrome. The Elephants really to big for anything to hurt it, It knows no fear. King of it’s world. Then one day, a speedy lil mouse is stirred up from the Grass and Darts underneath the Mighty beast. Unable to stop it, He panics. Feeling great Trama, with his inability to stop the smallest and weakest of creatures from disappearing beneath him to do god knows what. The elephant shall always fear and panic, at the thought and sight of the smallest of the small.
The end.

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robert g. loughry March 12, 2007 at 3:43 pm

just why in the hell the tom cats could’nt be upgraded like the multi-billion dollar b-52s is asnine. come on folks stop wasting our tax payer dollars on the raptor and keep a well proven aircraft flying!

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Robin March 13, 2007 at 8:28 pm

“I call this Elephant and the mouse Syndrome”
I remember *my* first beer.

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Rainman March 14, 2007 at 8:41 am

D., So your saying your the one that sold these 4 Tomcats? If so, treason is a better government retirement plan for you! 3 not so hots, and a cot.
Rainman

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D. March 14, 2007 at 4:05 pm

Sorry to disappoint you Rainman, but the answer is NO, NO, NO, NO, NO … and if you still don’t understand? NO! My idea of a good time is not being a permanent resident of CLUB FED, besides I’m perfectly happy with my retirement just the way it is, thank you very much. One misguided notion and branded for life? UNCLE! Never said I was the sharpest tool in the shed, but I’m not a bowling ball either, well at least that’s what my Mom tells me.
D.

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charlie March 23, 2007 at 12:40 pm

If Iran was not getting parts for their F-14′s why do we continue to see them flying?
Perhaps thy are patching the plane together with stuff they purchase on the open market but it is intresting how they keep this plane in the air many years after we have stopped selling them parts.

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CELSO C. GARZA March 27, 2007 at 9:40 pm

HOW CAN I OBTAIN A DE-COMMISSIONED F14-TOMCAT FOR
A TRIBUTE TO THE MOST AMAZING JET OF ITS KIND. IT WILL BE FOR UVALDE COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE OF THE UVALDE ESTATES. PLEASE, GIVE ME SOME DATA ON THIS REQUEST.
SINCERELY,
CELSO C. GARZA

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Tyler July 27, 2007 at 9:35 am

MILITARY IS THE BEST THING EVER

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wayne a graham August 10, 2007 at 3:13 pm

are 100% disable vets excempt from paying property & house taxes?

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wayne a graham August 10, 2007 at 3:15 pm

are 100% disable vets excempt from paying property & house taxes? in nc

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Democratic Repulic of Congo But Reside in
Abidjan Cote d’ivoire
West Africa,
Dearest one,
It is my pleasure to contact you for a business venture which I intend to establish in your country. Though I have not meet with you before but I believe, one has to risk confiding in succeed sometimes in life. There is this amount of Eighteen million U.S dollars($18,000,000.00) which my late husband Laurent Desire Kabila kept for me and my son David Urch Kabila with a Fiduciary Fund Holder in ivoiry coast before he was assasinated by his bodyguard during this war in Democratic Republic of Congo.
Now I have decided to invest these money in your country or anywhere safe enough outside for security and political reasons. I want you to help me claim and retrieve these fund from the Fiduciary Fund Holders and transfer it into your personal account in your country for investment purposes on these areas:
1). Telecommunication
2). The Transport Industry
3). Five Star Hotel
If you can be of an assistance to me i will be pleased to offer to you good % Of the total fund. I await your soonest response.
Respectfully yours,
Madam Jumai Kabila.

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jumailkabila_0088@yahoo.com December 10, 2007 at 8:40 am

jumailkabila_0088@yahoo.com
From Madam Jumai Kabila
Democratic Repulic of Congo But Reside in
Abidjan Cote d’ivoire
West Africa,
Dearest one,
It is my pleasure to contact you for a business venture which I intend to establish in your country. Though I have not meet with you before but I believe, one has to risk confiding in succeed sometimes in life. There is this amount of Eighteen million U.S dollars($18,000,000.00) which my late husband Laurent Desire Kabila kept for me and my son David Urch Kabila with a Fiduciary Fund Holder in ivoiry coast before he was assasinated by his bodyguard during this war in Democratic Republic of Congo.
Now I have decided to invest these money in your country or anywhere safe enough outside for security and political reasons. I want you to help me claim and retrieve these fund from the Fiduciary Fund Holders and transfer it into your personal account in your country for investment purposes on these areas:
1). Telecommunication
2). The Transport Industry
3). Five Star Hotel
If you can be of an assistance to me i will be pleased to offer to you good % Of the total fund. I await your soonest response.
Respectfully yours,
Madam Jumai Kabila.
jumailkabila_0088@yahoo.com
From Madam Jumai Kabila
Democratic Repulic of Congo But Reside in
Abidjan Cote d’ivoire
West Africa,
Dearest one,
It is my pleasure to contact you for a business venture which I intend to establish in your country. Though I have not meet with you before but I believe, one has to risk confiding in succeed sometimes in life. There is this amount of Eighteen million U.S dollars($18,000,000.00) which my late husband Laurent Desire Kabila kept for me and my son David Urch Kabila with a Fiduciary Fund Holder in ivoiry coast before he was assasinated by his bodyguard during this war in Democratic Republic of Congo.
Now I have decided to invest these money in your country or anywhere safe enough outside for security and political reasons. I want you to help me claim and retrieve these fund from the Fiduciary Fund Holders and transfer it into your personal account in your country for investment purposes on these areas:
1). Telecommunication
2). The Transport Industry
3). Five Star Hotel
If you can be of an assistance to me i will be pleased to offer to you good % Of the total fund. I await your soonest response.
Respectfully yours,
Madam Jumai Kabila.

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Kevin Alexander September 3, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Looking to rent a home in Phoenix Az, 85040
What web site do I look up Or can you send me information where I can rent to disable vet. I would like to get started.
Plus hire vets to fix up homes

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