http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 25 May 2012 15:51:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158045 Trung Tran Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:53 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158045 Methyl-Clathrates (or Methane-Hydrates) are the next fossil fuel. Why? It's there for someone to grab. That's part of the reason why Russia made a claim for the north pole. I also suspect that's why the Russians are playing for control of the Caspian sea. The resources are there but the technology is a little short at the moment. No matter, where there's a will, there's a way especially if all you have to do is bring it up from under the surface. Now think of this: With all that Methane or 'Natural-Gas' as it's commonly known there will be a lot more CO2 going into the air. What if we were to somehow 'charge' for making Oxygen? It would then be beneficial for us to be 'green'. Methyl-Clathrates (or Methane-Hydrates) are the next fossil fuel. Why? It’s there for someone to grab. That’s part of the reason why Russia made a claim for the north pole. I also suspect that’s why the Russians are playing for control of the Caspian sea. The resources are there but the technology is a little short at the moment. No matter, where there’s a will, there’s a way especially if all you have to do is bring it up from under the surface.
Now think of this: With all that Methane or ‘Natural-Gas’ as it’s commonly known there will be a lot more CO2 going into the air. What if we were to somehow ‘charge’ for making Oxygen? It would then be beneficial for us to be ‘green’.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158043 Jos Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:18:49 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158043 Dr. Roger Eichman posts: "Methal [sic] hydrates can supply all the gass [sic] needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs." I'm not sure how this is a useful idea since methyl hydrate is made from heating natural gas. In other words, you are adding energy to nat gas. So why not just quit while you have the nat gas? Also, the MH is toxic, so if it spills into the water supply it poisons the water - not a good result. Dr. Roger Eichman posts: “Methal [sic] hydrates can supply all the gass [sic] needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs.“
I’m not sure how this is a useful idea since methyl hydrate is made from heating natural gas. In other words, you are adding energy to nat gas. So why not just quit while you have the nat gas? Also, the MH is toxic, so if it spills into the water supply it poisons the water — not a good result.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-159591 Jos Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:18:49 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-159591 Dr. Roger Eichman posts: "Methal [sic] hydrates can supply all the gass [sic] needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs." I'm not sure how this is a useful idea since methyl hydrate is made from heating natural gas. In other words, you are adding energy to nat gas. So why not just quit while you have the nat gas? Also, the MH is toxic, so if it spills into the water supply it poisons the water - not a good result. Dr. Roger Eichman posts: “Methal [sic] hydrates can supply all the gass [sic] needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs.“
I’m not sure how this is a useful idea since methyl hydrate is made from heating natural gas. In other words, you are adding energy to nat gas. So why not just quit while you have the nat gas? Also, the MH is toxic, so if it spills into the water supply it poisons the water — not a good result.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158042 Norm E Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:23:19 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158042 Gaaaahhhh!! Not perpetual motion/energy machines again. There is a lot of goofy thinking going re energy mining. Folks with their feet on the ground have found no reasonable way to harvest methane hydrates/clathrates. It is true there is a lot of it out there. Could be that ocean warming may release it as it has in eons past. To be safe, let's figure out how to do with less. Gaaaahhhh!! Not perpetual motion/energy machines again. There is a lot of goofy thinking going re energy mining. Folks with their feet on the ground have found no reasonable way to harvest methane hydrates/clathrates. It is true there is a lot of it out there. Could be that ocean warming may release it as it has in eons past. To be safe, let’s figure out how to do with less.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158041 Baby Peanut Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:19:13 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158041 Jose writes: > Sorry. The deal is that over time the newest natural gas deposits to be located are smaller and smaller. Eventually the energy cost of constructing, installing and maintaining the rigs will use more energy than the field will return. ==== http://hubbertpeak.com/hubbert/ Dr. Hubbert (in response to remarks by David Nissen - Exxon): "... [T]here is a different and more fundamental cost that is independent of the monetary price. That is the energy cost of exploration and production. So long as oil is used as a source of energy, when the energy cost of recovering a barrel of oil becomes greater than the energy content of the oil, production will cease no matter what the monetary price may be." [referenced by Ivanhoe, 1982] Jose writes: >
Sorry. The deal is that over time the newest natural gas deposits to be located are smaller and smaller. Eventually the energy cost of constructing, installing and maintaining the rigs will use more energy than the field will return.
====
http://hubbertpeak.com/hubbert/
Dr. Hubbert (in response to remarks by David Nissen — Exxon): “… [T]here is a different and more fundamental cost that is independent of the monetary price. That is the energy cost of exploration and production. So long as oil is used as a source of energy, when the energy cost of recovering a barrel of oil becomes greater than the energy content of the oil, production will cease no matter what the monetary price may be.” [referenced by Ivanhoe, 1982]

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158040 clueless Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:24:50 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158040 Fischer-Trope also works with wood, if you don't feel like using coal. Posted by: Brian at March 15, 2007 09:18 AM How do you harvest wood ? Are you going to use the liquid fuel you make from the wood to harvest the wood ? You are kidding right ? And BTW: Batteries at this time(and probably never will be)are not a viable solution - Too heavy a payload, the efficiency goes way down. Be kind of funny to see a bunch of Armored vehicles on the battlefield waiting for AAA to give them a jump. Fischer-Trope also works with wood, if you don’t feel like using coal.
Posted by: Brian at March 15, 2007 09:18 AM
How do you harvest wood ? Are you going to use the liquid fuel you make from the wood to harvest the wood ? You are kidding right ?
And BTW:
Batteries at this time(and probably never will be)are not a viable solution — Too heavy a payload, the efficiency goes way down. Be kind of funny to see a bunch of Armored vehicles on the battlefield waiting for AAA to give them a jump.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158039 clueless Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:09:40 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158039 Methal hydrates can supply all the gass needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs. Posted by: Dr. Roger Eichman at March 18, 2007 09:36 PM Really ? Got a production/deliver strategy or plan ? Methal hydrates can supply all the gass needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs.
Posted by: Dr. Roger Eichman at March 18, 2007 09:36 PM
Really ?
Got a production/deliver strategy or plan ?

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-158038 Jos Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:02:07 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-158038 The army isn't saying that nat gas won't be available. They're saying that it won't be "viable" - i.e. it'll be too expensive. There's always nuclear, petroleum, coal, coal oil, coal gas, etc. Hydrogen and methyl/ethyl alcohol are not fuels, they're stored energy since it takes as much energy to make them as you get from them. Nat gas is going to be short because so much is slated to be used for "green power" to keep the global warming crowd quiet. So it's just a matter of choices. If we go green, nat gas will be in short supply. The army isn’t saying that nat gas won’t be available. They’re saying that it won’t be “viable” — i.e. it’ll be too expensive. There’s always nuclear, petroleum, coal, coal oil, coal gas, etc. Hydrogen and methyl/ethyl alcohol are not fuels, they’re stored energy since it takes as much energy to make them as you get from them. Nat gas is going to be short because so much is slated to be used for “green power” to keep the global warming crowd quiet. So it’s just a matter of choices. If we go green, nat gas will be in short supply.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-159590 Jos Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:02:07 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-159590 The army isn't saying that nat gas won't be available. They're saying that it won't be "viable" - i.e. it'll be too expensive. There's always nuclear, petroleum, coal, coal oil, coal gas, etc. Hydrogen and methyl/ethyl alcohol are not fuels, they're stored energy since it takes as much energy to make them as you get from them. Nat gas is going to be short because so much is slated to be used for "green power" to keep the global warming crowd quiet. So it's just a matter of choices. If we go green, nat gas will be in short supply. The army isn’t saying that nat gas won’t be available. They’re saying that it won’t be “viable” — i.e. it’ll be too expensive. There’s always nuclear, petroleum, coal, coal oil, coal gas, etc. Hydrogen and methyl/ethyl alcohol are not fuels, they’re stored energy since it takes as much energy to make them as you get from them. Nat gas is going to be short because so much is slated to be used for “green power” to keep the global warming crowd quiet. So it’s just a matter of choices. If we go green, nat gas will be in short supply.

]]> http://defensetech.org/2007/03/14/army-foresees-natural-gas-crisis/#comment-62090 Dr. Roger Eichman Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:36:46 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=3558#comment-62090 Methal hydrates can supply all the gass needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs. Methal hydrates can supply all the gass needed for any of our life times at nearly present costs.

]]>