Comments on: Special Forces Say ‘No’ to M4 Barrel http://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:29:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: yiltxpvpahttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-258338 yiltxpvpa Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:12:14 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-258338 KFawkM <a href="http://dhuoiyrjrzyd.com/" rel="nofollow">dhuoiyrjrzyd</a> KFawkM dhuoiyrjrzyd

]]> By: Meriemhttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-258056 Meriem Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:04:09 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-258056 GoGo,I agree! All the American SpecOps are using 45 auto lordeas for that very reason, they want the first shot to put the bad guy down, the next two are just insurance!We are currently setting up for a little hog hunting with the Kriss, and that should be a telling experience. I'll be reporting on that adventure in detail.Albert GoGo,I agree! All the American SpecOps are using 45 auto lordeas for that very reason, they want the first shot to put the bad guy down, the next two are just insurance!We are currently setting up for a little hog hunting with the Kriss, and that should be a telling experience. I’ll be reporting on that adventure in detail.Albert

]]> By: Ercanhttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-258052 Ercan Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:20:48 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-258052 You have the best, most fun ideas, I swear! I alywas see those wonderfully colorful buttons, but I never know what to do with them as I really haaaate to sew. As alywas, thanks for sharing your talent. :) You have the best, most fun ideas, I swear! I alywas see those wonderfully colorful buttons, but I never know what to do with them as I really haaaate to sew. As alywas, thanks for sharing your talent. :)

]]> By: Joehttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-256511 Joe Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:45:54 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-256511 Money... If you have 200,000 rifles and an upgrade costs $400 per rifle, well.... you do the math. It is cheaper long term to let the soldier clean the shit out of his weapon and wait for the ultimate zombie killer, a ray gun. Im not saying they should not make the switch. I know I would love to have an easy to clean rifle. That star chamber is a pain in the ass. Money… If you have 200,000 rifles and an upgrade costs $400 per rifle, well.… you do the math. It is cheaper long term to let the soldier clean the shit out of his weapon and wait for the ultimate zombie killer, a ray gun. Im not saying they should not make the switch. I know I would love to have an easy to clean rifle. That star chamber is a pain in the ass.

]]> By: machttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-242637 mac Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:12:38 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-242637 This appears to be yet another idiot article that was written with no experience and half the facts. What the knob jockey meant to title and moan about was gas tube (impingement) vs gas piston. Not the barrel. THE GAS!!!! FOOLS!!! This appears to be yet another idiot article that was written with no experience and half the facts. What the knob jockey meant to title and moan about was gas tube (impingement) vs gas piston. Not the barrel. THE GAS!!!! FOOLS!!!

]]> By: Paulhttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-233605 Paul Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:00:19 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-233605 As an old guy, I remember 2 weapons used extensively in WW2, Korea & the opening days of Vietnam..........M1 Garand & the M1 Carbine. Not the most modern of designs by today's engineering standards I grant you. But they got the job done & without a lot of controversy. These 2 war dogs were both gas powered piston/op-rod cycled. They landed in the cold waters @ Normandy, fired reliably in the volcanic sands of beaches in the Pacific, the dust of Guadalcanal & N. Africa & worked well in the cold of Alaska & Belgium's Ardenne forest. The M14, son of the Garand, is still in use by our forces today. So, why not keep the soot & heat out of the receiver. Let it go out the muzzle & downrange with the projectile. Seems to me THIS is the better design in auto-loading rifles. As an old guy, I remember 2 weapons used extensively in WW2, Korea & the opening days of Vietnam.….…..M1 Garand & the M1 Carbine. Not the most modern of designs by today’s engineering standards I grant you. But they got the job done & without a lot of controversy. These 2 war dogs were both gas powered piston/op-rod cycled. They landed in the cold waters @ Normandy, fired reliably in the volcanic sands of beaches in the Pacific, the dust of Guadalcanal & N. Africa & worked well in the cold of Alaska & Belgium’s Ardenne forest. The M14, son of the Garand, is still in use by our forces today.

So, why not keep the soot & heat out of the receiver. Let it go out the muzzle & downrange with the projectile. Seems to me THIS is the better design in auto-loading rifles.

]]> By: DomShttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-216647 DomS Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:03:03 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-216647 It's not really the HK propaganda machine, it's been trialed by the special forces and its their request... It’s not really the HK propaganda machine, it’s been trialed by the special forces and its their request…

]]> By: darkcharismahttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-208656 darkcharisma Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:52:52 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-208656 over rated or not, your not gonna like it when your gun jams on you while taking incoming fire. dude, all these soldiers are dying for you people and can't get a little support when they are getting excited that some companies are improving the design...if not to improve then what else is the purpose? yeah DI works when you clean them...can you clean enough? for civilian dogs like us not firing the AR much enough.......never mind....... i think im wasting my time explaining..... over rated or not, your not gonna like it when your gun jams on you while taking incoming fire. dude, all these soldiers are dying for you people and can’t get a little support when they are getting excited that some companies are improving the design…if not to improve then what else is the purpose? yeah DI works when you clean them…can you clean enough? for civilian dogs like us not firing the AR much enough.……never mind.…… i think im wasting my time explaining.….

]]> By: Team 6 Memberhttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-189748 Team 6 Member Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:17:55 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-189748 I served 2 tours in Afghanistan in 2001 & 2002, and then served 5 tours back to back in Iraq from 203 thru 2008. Trust me when I say this, The M4 & M1`6 are junk! I was fortunate to serve with Naval Special Warfare, and in 2004 I was allowed to use an HK-416 in 7.62x51mm Cal. The 416 functioned flawlessly every time! I jammed all the time with the M4, but I hardly had a jam with the 416! Plus, the 7.62 not only gave me knock down power, it gave me punch thru power, because I was able to shoot thru walls and kill my enemy who was trying to hide behind the concrete walls which line every house & village in Afghanistan & Iraq. The HK-416 IS the most effective weapon I have ever fought with. The upper echelon in the Pentagon needs to stop listening to bean counter analysts and start listening to the soldiers & sailors in the field that actually have to use the weapon they are issued. To this day, I will NEVER, pick up an M4 again. I will only deploy with an HK-416 in my hands, PERIOD! I served 2 tours in Afghanistan in 2001 & 2002, and then served 5 tours back to back in Iraq from 203 thru 2008. Trust me when I say this, The M4 & M1‘6 are junk! I was fortunate to serve with Naval Special Warfare, and in 2004 I was allowed to use an HK-416 in 7.62x51mm Cal. The 416 functioned flawlessly every time! I jammed all the time with the M4, but I hardly had a jam with the 416! Plus, the 7.62 not only gave me knock down power, it gave me punch thru power, because I was able to shoot thru walls and kill my enemy who was trying to hide behind the concrete walls which line every house & village in Afghanistan & Iraq. The HK-416 IS the most effective weapon I have ever fought with.
The upper echelon in the Pentagon needs to stop listening to bean counter analysts and start listening to the soldiers & sailors in the field that actually have to use the weapon they are issued. To this day, I will NEVER, pick up an M4 again. I will only deploy with an HK-416 in my hands, PERIOD!

]]> By: Joehttp://defensetech.org/2007/03/26/special-forces-say-no-to-m4-barrel/#comment-189441 Joe Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:53 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2410#comment-189441 Or the least expensive route would be to retrofit all of our M-16's and M-4's with Gas Pistons, since that is available today.Without changing the entire rifle system and round used, Gas Piston upgrade would be the most sound thing right now. Or the least expensive route would be to retrofit all of our M-16’s and M-4’s with Gas Pistons, since that is available today.

Without changing the entire rifle system and round used, Gas Piston upgrade would be the most sound thing right now.

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