<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: GUILTY!…</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:23:08 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: T. E. Galvin</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160900</link> <dc:creator>T. E. Galvin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:54:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160900</guid> <description>An update: At a court of inquiry, held Jan. &#039;08 Nicholson acknowledged that the number of dead had not been established and that U.S. Troops who arrived on the scene 30 minutes after the bombing found no dead or wounded Afghans. The court concluded the Marines acted appropriately and recommended every Marine in the convoy be awarded the Combat Action Ribbon and a sergeant injured during the blast receive the Purple Heart. There was never any evidence other than the word of the Afghans that any civilians were killed. No bodies were recovered; there were no autopsies, no forensic evidence. The various lists of injured and dead civilians cannot be verified by any source.   The Army did not check the solatia list, instead, accepted the list from the Nangahar governor.  Afghan testimony contained numerous instances of fraud.  Tribal elders told some citizens to say they were injured to receive money. It is the leadership of Army Col. ( Now Gen. )John Nicholson and Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, falsely accusing their own soldiers, that should be investigated. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update:<br /> At a court of inquiry, held Jan. ’08 Nicholson acknowledged that the number of dead had not been established and that U.S. Troops who arrived on the scene 30 minutes after the bombing found no dead or wounded Afghans.<br /> The court concluded the Marines acted appropriately and recommended every Marine in the convoy be awarded the Combat Action Ribbon and a sergeant injured during the blast receive the Purple Heart.<br /> There was never any evidence other than the word of the Afghans that any civilians were killed. No bodies were recovered; there were no autopsies, no forensic evidence.<br /> The various lists of injured and dead civilians cannot be verified by any source.   The Army did not check the solatia list, instead, accepted the list from the Nangahar governor.  Afghan testimony contained numerous instances of fraud.  Tribal elders told some citizens to say they were injured to receive money.<br /> It is the leadership of Army Col. ( Now Gen. )John Nicholson and Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, falsely accusing their own soldiers, that should be investigated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: T. E. Galvin</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160899</link> <dc:creator>T. E. Galvin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:54:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160899</guid> <description>An update: At a court of inquiry, held Jan. &#039;08 Nicholson acknowledged that the number of dead had not been established and that U.S. Troops who arrived on the scene 30 minutes after the bombing found no dead or wounded Afghans. The court concluded the Marines acted appropriately and recommended every Marine in the convoy be awarded the Combat Action Ribbon and a sergeant injured during the blast receive the Purple Heart. There was never any evidence other than the word of the Afghans that any civilians were killed. No bodies were recovered; there were no autopsies, no forensic evidence. The various lists of injured and dead civilians cannot be verified by any source.   The Army did not check the solatia list, instead, accepted the list from the Nangahar governor.  Afghan testimony contained numerous instances of fraud.  Tribal elders told some citizens to say they were injured to receive money. It is the leadership of Army Col. ( Now Gen. )John Nicholson and Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, falsely accusing their own soldiers, that should be investigated. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update:<br /> At a court of inquiry, held Jan. ’08 Nicholson acknowledged that the number of dead had not been established and that U.S. Troops who arrived on the scene 30 minutes after the bombing found no dead or wounded Afghans.<br /> The court concluded the Marines acted appropriately and recommended every Marine in the convoy be awarded the Combat Action Ribbon and a sergeant injured during the blast receive the Purple Heart.<br /> There was never any evidence other than the word of the Afghans that any civilians were killed. No bodies were recovered; there were no autopsies, no forensic evidence.<br /> The various lists of injured and dead civilians cannot be verified by any source.   The Army did not check the solatia list, instead, accepted the list from the Nangahar governor.  Afghan testimony contained numerous instances of fraud.  Tribal elders told some citizens to say they were injured to receive money.<br /> It is the leadership of Army Col. ( Now Gen. )John Nicholson and Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, falsely accusing their own soldiers, that should be investigated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: breechblock</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-29309</link> <dc:creator>breechblock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:10:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-29309</guid> <description>This officer is simply jealous of the new Marine Spec-Ops! That simple! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This officer is simply jealous of the new Marine Spec-Ops! That simple!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: breechblock</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160898</link> <dc:creator>breechblock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:05:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160898</guid> <description>I will not waste my time writing a long letter with a lot of big words to make it seem more viable, the truth of the matter is simple. The Army commanders who condemded these Spec-Op Marines fell threatened by them! The unit they have been leading should be thankful for the extra firepower, yet these Army officers play pentagon politics simply because they are threatened by these Marines! The Army officer who made these initial statements is a disgrace to any American fighting man or women, you sir are a pompous, jealous, MAGGOT, keep your sewer shut you don&#039;t even rate to say the word MARINE.  P.S can not help it you are not Spec.Forces, you have already shown you don&#039;t have what it takes with your attacks on the Marine Corps.People like you get people killed in combat, to hell with the mission, You want you some medals.You, Sir are a joke &amp; a lot of military people see it!!!!! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not waste my time writing a long letter with a lot of big words to make it seem more viable, the truth of the matter is simple. The Army commanders who condemded these Spec-Op Marines fell threatened by them! The unit they have been leading should be thankful for the extra firepower, yet these Army officers play pentagon politics simply because they are threatened by these Marines! The Army officer who made these initial statements is a disgrace to any American fighting man or women, you sir are a pompous, jealous, MAGGOT, keep your sewer shut you don’t even rate to say the word MARINE.  P.S can not help it you are not Spec.Forces, you have already shown you don’t have what it takes with your attacks on the Marine Corps.People like you get people killed in combat, to hell with the mission, You want you some medals.You, Sir are a joke &amp; a lot of military people see it!!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: breechblock</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160897</link> <dc:creator>breechblock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:02:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160897</guid> <description>I will not waste my time writing a long letter with a lot of big words to make it seem more viable, the truth of the matter is simple. The Army commanders who condemded these Spec-Op Marines fell threatened by them! The unit they have been leading should be thankful for the extra firepower, yet these Army officers play pentagon politics simply because they are threatened by these Marines! The Army officer who made these initial statements is a disgrace to any American fighting man or women, you sir are a pompous, jealous, MAGGOT, keep your sewer shut you don&#039;t even rate to say the word MARINE.  P.S can not help it you are not Spec.Forces, you have already shown you don&#039;t have what it takes with your attacks on the Marine Corps,people like you get people killed in combat, to hell with the mission, You want you some medals.You, Sir are a joke &amp; a lot of military people see it!!!!! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not waste my time writing a long letter with a lot of big words to make it seem more viable, the truth of the matter is simple. The Army commanders who condemded these Spec-Op Marines fell threatened by them! The unit they have been leading should be thankful for the extra firepower, yet these Army officers play pentagon politics simply because they are threatened by these Marines! The Army officer who made these initial statements is a disgrace to any American fighting man or women, you sir are a pompous, jealous, MAGGOT, keep your sewer shut you don’t even rate to say the word MARINE.  P.S can not help it you are not Spec.Forces, you have already shown you don’t have what it takes with your attacks on the Marine Corps,people like you get people killed in combat, to hell with the mission, You want you some medals.You, Sir are a joke &amp; a lot of military people see it!!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FrmrJHead</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160896</link> <dc:creator>FrmrJHead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:10:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160896</guid> <description>It is my understanding that the Marines who were selected to comprise the MARSOC forces are simply the best available and heavily screened for this assignment. Being a former Marine I know I will probably be accused of bias but the whole thing has a bad smell about it. These folks are not a bunch of loose cannons that simply lose it when the lead starts flying and they are not a bunch of green, inexperienced ground pounders. I would hate to think that some inter-service rivalry is at the core of the Army/Air Forces admonitions regarding the incident that has yet to be fully investigated. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that the Marines who were selected to comprise the MARSOC forces are simply the best available and heavily screened for this assignment. Being a former Marine I know I will probably be accused of bias but the whole thing has a bad smell about it. These folks are not a bunch of loose cannons that simply lose it when the lead starts flying and they are not a bunch of green, inexperienced ground pounders. I would hate to think that some inter-service rivalry is at the core of the Army/Air Forces admonitions regarding the incident that has yet to be fully investigated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: disgusted</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160895</link> <dc:creator>disgusted</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 01:48:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160895</guid> <description>A classified report was made public in the Washington Examiner on Wednesday, May 23, which vindicates these Marines. http://www.examiner.com/a-744305~Marines_who_killed_civilians_were_attacked.html These Marines were under the command of Army Maj. General Kearney who assigned his deputy commander, Air Force Colonel Nicholson, to do the follow-up investigation. Since March, Army Maj. General Kearney has had access to this classified report, that would have cleared these Marines, yet he allowed the press to continue to condemn them with misinformation such as: &quot;They were firing everywhere,&quot; Tur Gul told the Associated Press. Gul, who was standing at the roadside and suffered gunshot wounds, said he saw more than a dozen cars hit. &quot;They opened fire on everybody, the ones inside the vehicles and the ones on foot,&quot; he said. Casualty counts varied, as is often the case in such attacks. Provincial police spokesman Abdul Ghafor said 10 people were killed and about three dozen injured.  The U.S. military initially reported 34 civilians killed and 24 wounded, but it later revised its death toll to eight, with 35 hurt.  Los Angeles Times The investigation, based on dozens of eyewitness interviews, found that Marines in a convoy of Humvees continued shooting at at least six locations along the road, miles beyond the site where they were ambushed by a suicide bomber in a van. They fired at stationary vehicles, passersby and others who were </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A classified report was made public in the Washington Examiner on Wednesday, May 23, which vindicates these Marines.<br /> <a href="http://www.examiner.com/a-744305~Marines_who_killed_civilians_were_attacked.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/a-744305~Marines_who_killed_civilians_were_attacked.html</a><br /> These Marines were under the command of Army Maj. General Kearney who assigned his deputy commander, Air Force Colonel Nicholson, to do the follow-up investigation.<br /> Since March, Army Maj. General Kearney has had access to this classified report, that would have cleared these Marines, yet he allowed the press to continue to condemn them with misinformation such as:<br /> “They were firing everywhere,” Tur Gul told the Associated Press. Gul, who was standing at the roadside and suffered gunshot wounds, said he saw more than a dozen cars hit. “They opened fire on everybody, the ones inside the vehicles and the ones on foot,” he said.<br /> Casualty counts varied, as is often the case in such attacks. Provincial police spokesman Abdul Ghafor said 10 people were killed and about three dozen injured.  The U.S. military initially reported 34 civilians killed and 24 wounded, but it later revised its death toll to eight, with 35 hurt.  Los Angeles Times<br /> The investigation, based on dozens of eyewitness interviews, found that Marines in a convoy of Humvees continued shooting at at least six locations along the road, miles beyond the site where they were ambushed by a suicide bomber in a van. They fired at stationary vehicles, passersby and others who were</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimmy</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160894</link> <dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 23:06:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160894</guid> <description>Yea, ....Well it seems to me that the boys are getting into the mindset.As to what is an appropriate response to being IED,ed.You tell me.Personally I would start shooting at any possible Threats in range.Safeguard the DEAD and WOUNDED,Secure a perimitter and cease fire .In that order.So whats the problem?Also I dont think its appropriate for the army to be commenting about the marines.Same club differant rules.Or have you forgotten the south pacific,50 years ago. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, .…Well it seems to me that the boys are getting into the mindset.As to what is an appropriate response to being IED,ed.You tell me.Personally I would start shooting at any possible Threats in range.Safeguard the DEAD and WOUNDED,Secure a perimitter and cease fire .In that order.So whats the problem?Also I dont think its appropriate for the army to be commenting about the marines.Same club differant rules.Or have you forgotten the south pacific,50 years ago.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carolina Khan</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160893</link> <dc:creator>Carolina Khan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:26:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160893</guid> <description>Taking responsibility and issuing a sincere apology is the right thing to do, only after they apologize to us for killing our innocent soldiers. If the people in that country care about resolving the war issues, then they should turn-in the insurgents or whoever is causing them harm. That way our soldiers wouldn</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking responsibility and issuing a sincere apology is the right thing to do, only after they apologize to us for killing our innocent soldiers. If the people in that country care about resolving the war issues, then they should turn-in the insurgents or whoever is causing them harm. That way our soldiers wouldn</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Max</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/05/08/guilty/#comment-160892</link> <dc:creator>Max</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 22:29:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2504#comment-160892</guid> <description>Grandjester-You said- &quot;Well Max, I did go and read several media and military reports that are available, it&#039;s called the Google, look into it.&quot; Yeah-we all know about google. &quot;And there have been at least TWO investigations (the first being the AAR) already.&quot; An AAR is NOT AN INVESTIGATION. &quot;The criminal investigation is the only one pending.&quot; Right it hasn&#039;t been done yet-DO YOU READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE POST OR JUST FISK IT AND START RANTING?!? The criminal investigation is incomplete - as I said it&#039;s not &quot;thoroughly investigated&quot;. You jumped to conclusions and continue to do so. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandjester-You said–<br /> “Well Max, I did go and read several media and military reports that are available, it’s called the Google, look into it.“<br /> Yeah-we all know about google.<br /> “And there have been at least TWO investigations (the first being the AAR) already.“<br /> An AAR is NOT AN INVESTIGATION.<br /> “The criminal investigation is the only one pending.“<br /> Right it hasn’t been done yet-DO YOU READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE POST OR JUST FISK IT AND START RANTING?!?<br /> The criminal investigation is incomplete — as I said it’s not “thoroughly investigated”.<br /> You jumped to conclusions and continue to do so.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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