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Home » Drones » Naval Robot Wars

Naval Robot Wars

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A new report drafted by the well-​​connected Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments makes a strong case for an accel­er­ated devel­op­ment of unmanned com­bat air­craft for car­rier bat­tle groups.

With a sim­ple equa­tion, Tom Ehrhard and Robert Work of CSBA lay out the ben­e­fits of UCASs for the CVW, say­ing the increase in range and stealth drones bring to the mar­itime strike fight are inarguable…

The logic sup­port­ing accel­er­ated devel­op­ment of a carrier-​​based UCAS is straight-​​forward. Using manned air­craft, cur­rent CVWs are opti­mized to strike tar­gets at ranges between 200 to 450 nau­ti­cal miles (nm) from their car­ri­ers. Moreover, car­rier air­craft lack per­sis­tence. That is to say, they are lim­ited to mis­sions no more than ten hours long, and they more typ­i­cally fly mis­sions that last only a few hours. In con­trast, a carrier-​​based UCAS could mount strikes out to 1,500 nm from a car­rier with­out refu­el­ing. Just as impor­tantly, because its mis­sion dura­tion is not lim­ited by human endurance, with aer­ial refu­el­ing a UCAS will be able to stay air­borne for 50 to 100 hours five to ten times longer than a manned air­craft. In other words, with mul­ti­ple aer­ial refu­el­ings, a UCAS could estab­lish per­sis­tent surveillance-​​strike com­bat air patrols (CAPs) at ranges well beyond 3,000 nm, and strike point tar­gets at far longer ranges. 

Ehrhard, a for­mer Air Force offi­cer who wrote his PhD the­sis on UAVs, and Work, a for­mer Marine artillery offi­cer and one of the sharpest minds in amphibi­ous war­fare devel­op­ment, are adamant that the Navy not fall vic­tim to its usual manned-​​fighter biases and deprive the UCAS pro­gram of the fund­ing it needs to keep on track. They con­tend the future of the CVW will be under­cut if carrier-​​based UAV devel­op­ment is side­lined and call on Congress to step in and mar­shal the pro­gram through the sea service.

With the many com­pet­ing pro­grams now fight­ing for the atten­tion of naval avi­a­torsnot to men­tion the Navys his­tor­i­cal ambiva­lence regard­ing unmanned air­craft sys­tem­s­there is a dan­ger that the UCAS-​​D pro­gram will suf­fer in DoN bud­get delib­er­a­tions and be pro­gres­sively delayed. If this hap­pens, the long-​​term oper­a­tional and tac­ti­cal effec­tive­ness of the US car­rier fleet may be at risk. Congress and the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) should there­fore take a direct inter­est in fos­ter­ing this pro­gram and mon­i­tor­ing its progress. 

Work and Erhard under­stand the argu­ments against UCAS pro­grams, includ­ing the com­plex­ity of inte­grat­ing a drone with manned air­craft on the flight deck and bank­ing on unre­li­able tech­nol­ogy with so many com­pet­ing fis­cal pri­or­i­ties like shipbuilding.

But both ana­lysts say the Navys par­tic­i­pa­tion in aer­ial robot wars will make them more rel­e­vant in the future and keep the Air Force from pass­ing the car­rier strike group by on the way to the fight.

The bot­tom line is this: the N-​​UCASs unique com­bi­na­tion of great unre­fu­eled range and dra­mat­i­cally improved endurance and stealth could trans­form US air­craft car­ri­ers and their embarked air wings from oper­a­tional strike sys­tems with out­stand­ing global mobil­ity and rel­a­tively lim­ited tac­ti­cal reach and per­sis­tence into glob­ally mobile, long-​​range per­sis­tent sur­veil­lance strike sys­tems effec­tive across mul­ti­ple 21st cen­tury secu­rity chal­lenges. To make this poten­tially rev­o­lu­tion­ary trans­for­ma­tion pos­si­ble, Congress, OSD, and the Navy must take the nec­es­sary first step and sup­port both an expanded N-​​UCAS car­rier demon­stra­tion pro­gram and tech­nol­ogy mat­u­ra­tion effort to safely inte­grate these unmanned surveillance/​strike sys­tems into car­rier flight deck and strike operations. 

(Gouge: DID)

– Christian

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  1. Grandjester says:
    May 14, 2007 at 9:32 am

    Now this makes sense. For all of those F-​​35 cheer­lead­ers that tout stealth and long range as being a neces­sity, this pro­vides both with­out risk­ing a pilots life for deep strike/​recon. My only ques­tion would be what it will end up costing.

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  2. Sven Ortmann says:
    May 14, 2007 at 10:00 am

    I believe that such drones are less ver­sa­tile than air­craft like the F/​A-​​18. An F/​A-​​18 can do anti-​​ship, CAP, inter­dic­tion, pre­ci­sion strike, air polic­ing, recon, SEAD, DEAD and many other mis­sions.
    A long-​​range stealthy drone should have seri­ous prob­lems with at least some of these mis­sions — unless lots of exchange packs and R&D funds are avail­able as well as excel­lent comm­links.
    Versatility is a pre­mium fac­tor for car­rier groups because of the lim­ited quan­tity of daily sor­ties and the extreme impor­tance of self-​​defence.
    Honestly, I don’t under­stand why a UCAV should be a more press­ing need for a navy than for an air force.

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  3. Byron Skinner says:
    May 14, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Good Morning Folks,
    With the F-​​35 appo­rach­ing $100Million per copy and the F-​​18F/​G already over that bench­mark the Navy has to look to the unmanned air­ial vehi­cle.
    The XM-​​47 over the past two years has exceeded all it bench­marks. It has passed with fly col­ore car­rier take off and land­kings to the point that all F-18’s will have the unmanned lands capa­bil­i­ties. Another air­craft turn­ing heads is the “Fire Scout” unmanned heli­copter, it also has passed all the Navy’s sea tri­als and is ready to enter the fleet.
    The arieal unmanned refu­el­ing has been so suc­cess­ful that it is now going to be the stan­dard for all new Air Force and Navy tankers.
    Future car­ri­ers bat­tle groups will be deployed with­out any attack pilots. Thats a fact not fic­tion.
    SLLONS,
    Byron Skinner

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  4. Sven Ortmann says:
    May 14, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    Well, but if that hap­pens the drones will not be ver dif­fer­ent from manned planes.
    Their nec­es­sar­ily built-​​in ver­sta­tile equip­ment makes them expen­sive — and one of the core advan­tages of drones (no need for many backup sys­tems because no life is at risk) is lost.
    Risk-​​averse use would be stan­dard and thus lim­it­ing the advan­tages of the drone approach.

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  5. Jimmy Wu says:
    May 14, 2007 at 12:43 pm

    It seems inter­est­ing to me that the Marine artillery­man for­got to argue the OTHER pos­si­bil­ity:
    A UCAV sys­tem for the US Marine Corps.
    The UCAV would first off be a good back up for the Marine tac­ti­cal avi­a­tion com­mu­nity should any­thing hap­pen to the JSF.
    2ndly, the USMC has always had a good con­stituency in con­gress, thus guar­an­tee­ing a source of fund­ing for their UCAV.
    3rdly, the USMC has also been a pio­neer in new ways of fighting.

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  6. Demophilus says:
    May 14, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    All good com­ments. Don’t know if unmanned plat­forms will replace manned com­pletely in our life­time, but there are cer­tainly grounds for argu­ment.
    A ques­tion for the board: are there any ben­e­fits to con­vert­ing manned plat­forms to unmanned? We’ve got a long his­tory of tar­get drone con­ver­sions: e.g., the QF-​​4. The old F-​​4 was car­rier capa­ble. IIRC, we’ve still got A-​​4s and F-​​18As at the Boneyard.
    With such con­ver­sions you lose stealth, at least, but, then again, you don’t always need stealth: e.g., for deter­rence mis­sions, or even SEAD. Sometimes you want the enemy to see you com­ing.
    It seems that if we’re con­vert­ing tar­get drones to be destroyed any­way, we could just as eas­ily use some for attack. They might even serve as good decoys/​stalking horses for either manned or stealthy plat­forms.
    I don’t know that drone con­ver­sions would be any cheaper than ded­i­cated UCAV plat­forms, but it seems that a) we’re already spend­ing money to con­vert them, b) the base plat­forms are already bought and paid for, and c) they are already known quan­ti­ties, at least in some senses. We know their capa­bil­i­ties and short­com­ings, com­pared to still unproven plat­forms.
    Just a stray thought FWIW, if anything.

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  7. Bob says:
    May 14, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Hmm … as a mostly-​​ignorant lurker here, I note some incon­sis­tency.
    Just recently you were rail­ing against ear­marks in the arti­cle “JSF Engine Pork Continues.” Now, how­ever we’re in favor of ear­marks?
    Cheers,
    –Bob

    Reply
  8. AStudent says:
    May 14, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    I fail to see any prob­lems with UAVs. Having read the report sum­mery, two things, in my opin­ion, really stuck out.
    First, the report men­tioned the effec­tive range of a CBG, with­out Air Force Tankers, was only about 400 nmi. That is dis­turb­ing.
    Second, the report men­tioned that the cur­rent tech­nol­ogy test­bed would be the most advanced car­rier air­craft, in terms of range, pay­load, and stealth, ever made.
    Those two argue­ments make UAVs a neces­sity, at least to me, if the car­ri­ers hope to con­tinue as viable strike plat­forms in the face of improved coastal defense systems.

    Reply
  9. Stephen Trimble says:
    May 15, 2007 at 4:30 am

    This is sim­ply the navy chas­ing the capa­bil­i­ties of the can­celled A-​​12, but with unmanned tech­nol­ogy. Sadly, using today’s man­u­fac­tur­ing mate­ri­als and meth­ods, the base­line A-​​12 would prob­a­bly avoid many of the weight and elec­tron­ics issues that led to its can­cel­la­tion. Instead of remain­ing with a manned ver­sion, the navy would be again flirt­ing with devel­op­men­tal dis­as­ter by shift­ing to still-​​unproven unmanned tech­nol­ogy for car­rier decks.

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  10. Bill says:
    May 15, 2007 at 5:32 am

    Did the A-​​12 have an endurance of 50 to 100 hours? No. Thus with UCAS the Navy is not chas­ing the capa­bil­i­ties of the A-​​12, it is chas­ing a vast improve­ment over the A-​​12. If the Navy wanted a manned, stealthy fighter, it would not have to try once again to build the A-​​12, it could just build a big­ger JSF. No manned air­craft, how­ever, could pro­vide the per­sis­tence at long range that the Navy would need in a Taiwan Straits scenario.

    Reply
  11. Terry says:
    May 18, 2007 at 7:06 am

    While unmanned air­craft may have lim­i­ta­tions, they also have advan­tages. I think the advan­tages jus­tify explor­ing and devel­op­ing such capa­bil­ity. If it works out that the capa­bilites and advan­tages can be exploited while mit­i­gat­ing the dis­a­van­tages, it is fool­ish, IMO, to ignore them.
    While I often won­der about the judge­ment of the beau­racra­cies who develop and pro­cure weapons sys­tems, I have alot of faith in the judg­ment of the peo­ple who uti­lize them. Give them a weapon, and it won’t take them too awfully long to detem­ine how best to uti­lize it — it at all.

    Reply
  12. Herm Chambers says:
    May 18, 2007 at 10:40 am

    We all know–except airdales–the expen­sive to build, man and oper­ate CVN is as obso­lete as the BB it replaced. Smaller amphib LPH
    and SS-​​types will replace them. this is the first step.

    Reply
  13. A.D.Hoffmann says:
    May 20, 2007 at 11:06 pm

    A lot of peo­ple dream of the chance to be a pilot and more. Looking ahead to the great adven­ture of space explo­ration, were will the expe­ri­ance come from if not the mil­i­tary.
    If a drone is shot down will we feel and respond the same? Were is the Honor not being at risk or to put your life in Gods hands.
    I guess I know this sounds old fash­ioned but I rather talk to peo­ple because the con­ver­sa­tion is adap­tive. Try argu­ing with your com­puter for a responce when you key in the wrong num­ber. One mis­take could spell dis­as­ter because com­put­ers do not think. Im sure the mil­i­tary is care­ful to select good peo­ple so I trust them more than a machine. Machines must be designed to adapt to a sit­u­a­tion were peo­ple evolve to a sit­u­a­tion.
    My advise is to design and use them as high risk Recon drones, with­out weapons except a self destruct.

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  14. Charles Spiegelman says:
    June 2, 2007 at 7:26 pm

    Maybe the best answer to all this is that man can con­trol and the robot can destroy with­out the human fac­tor hav­ing to risk live and those of oth­ers. Maybe also we can reduce costs by using new tech­nolo­gies such as Robot air­craft, ships and weapon sys­tems. The Navy can lead the way but all ser­vices should be involved. The Army with robot vehi­cles, the Air Force with robot bombers, and fight­ers, plus recon. Maybe in ten to twenty years. the skys will be con­troled by such weapon systems.

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  15. Dave Reeve says:
    June 8, 2007 at 11:03 am

    Not to push for­ward with unmanned com­bat air­craft is dan­ger­ously reac­tionary. Besides enhanced range and linger time, robot air­craft have other advan­tages. With no need for life sup­port systems,there is room for other sys­tems. Without a human pilot, the air­craft can pull tighter turns, mak­ing it more manu­ver­able and hence more lethal.

    Reply
  16. James Cowan says:
    April 4, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Imagine a small stealth car­rier with stealth UCAVs. The capa­bil­ity would com­pli­ment that of a tra­di­tional car­rier bat­tle group and could be used inde­pen­dently for spe­cial oper­a­tions. Cost sav­ings would be huge.With our cur­rent trend toward an econ­omy bur­dened with a bal­loon­ing social wel­fare bud­get (Social Security, Medicare, etc)this will be the future by default.

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