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Home » Brownshoes in Action » Jet Noise Can Make You Rich!

Jet Noise Can Make You Rich!

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Market Watch is report­ing the fol­low­ing: “The Justice Department and the U.S. Navy have reached a set­tle­ment agree­ment with approx­i­mately 3,400 prop­erty own­ers in Virginia Beach and Chesapeake, Va., regard­ing lit­i­ga­tion relat­ing to jet noise at a naval air base. Under the terms of the agree­ment, the par­tic­i­pat­ing plain­tiffs agree to dis­miss their claims and acknowl­edge that the set­tle­ment does not con­sti­tute an admis­sion of lia­bil­ity by the United States.

“‘We are pleased that the fed­eral gov­ern­ment and res­i­dents near the Naval Air Station Oceana and Naval Auxiliary Landing Field, Fentress have been able to reach an ami­ca­ble res­o­lu­tion in this mat­ter and avoid fur­ther lit­i­ga­tion,’ said Matthew J. McKeown, Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s Environment and Natural Resources Division. ‘This res­o­lu­tion sig­nals an end to six years of lit­i­ga­tion and pro­vides pos­i­tive results for the cit­i­zens as well as the government.’

“The class-​​action law­suit stems from the relo­ca­tion of 156 Navy F/​A-​​18 C/​D Hornet fighter jets from Cecil Field, Fla., to Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach, Va., between December 1998 and July 1999. Plaintiffs own approx­i­mately 2,100 prop­er­ties and alleged in a group of nine law­suits filed between April 2001 and June 2005 that the intro­duc­tion of the Hornets resulted in a sub­stan­tial increase in over­flights and jet noise. Under the set­tle­ment, the fed­eral gov­ern­ment will pay the plain­tiffs an amount not to exceed $34.4 million.”

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As one who flew out of NAS Oceana for more than 15 years (and who also owned prop­erty under the land­ing pat­tern) all I can say is “are you kid­ding me?” The base has been in place since 1943. This is noth­ing but an elab­o­rate drug deal, the result of home builders in col­lu­sion with the Virginia Beach city coun­cil wan­tonly ignor­ing the exis­tence of a “mas­ter jet base” in their midst. This is the same sort of activ­ity that landed NAS Oceana back on the BRAC list for the next go ’round — a wreck­less dis­re­gard for exist­ing jet traf­fic (and known future require­ments) in the face of money-​​making opportunities.

In the mean­time pilot train­ing has been affected by “noise abate­ment” rules that grow more restric­tive with each rewrite until fighter pilots might as well be dri­ving Boeing 777s. And now the tax payer takes it on the chin on the order of $34 mil­lion because of under­handed civic deal­ings and stu­pid homebuyers?

Ridiculous …

– Ward

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  1. Harry says:
    May 29, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    I hope the real Americans that have sons, hus­bans, daugh­ters and rel­a­tives pro­tect­ing our Country under­stand the kind of peo­ple liv­ing in their area.

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  2. Harry says:
    May 29, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    I detest greedy wimps, and trai­tors to the American tax pay­ing peo­ple, and most of all to the idiots that claim they are Americans.
    Reminds me of the coy­otes in mex­ico and those in DC..

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  3. Harry says:
    May 29, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Oh! I see there has been a response. A worth­less response at that.
    Give it up and turn in your citin­ship, you don’t deserve to be an American.

    Reply
  4. Harry says:
    May 29, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    Those greedy, un-​​American lawyers that closed the sale of those prop­er­ties, and real estate peo­ple that were just as greedy should be held account­able for this un-​​American act.

    Reply
  5. Margie says:
    June 6, 2007 at 10:44 am

    I can­not under­stand how our cit­i­zens of America can truly grieve over noise from the jets that pro­tect our free­dom. I have lived here in Va Beach for 20 plus years, in the Oceana area. I am proud to have these jets fly­ing above and am angry that home­own­ers are mak­ing money off of our free­dom fight­ers. Go and sell your home, some­one else will be will­ing to buy it. You knew there was a jet base here. Go some­where else please. My next state­ment to the home­own­ers, I pray that some day you never need these Jets like New York did.

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  6. Lisa says:
    June 10, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    I am a Navy wife and a PROUD one at that who has lived in VA Beach for 7 years.The peo­ple who have com­plained about the “jet noise” should all have to relo­cate to a coun­try where the peo­ple have no free­doms at all.The very jets they gripe about are the same jets that pro­tect their right to complain!!!I have an “I love jet noise” cover around my license tag and quite a few t-​​shirts that say the same.I am proud of my husband’s 25 yrs of ser­vice and look for­ward to doing the last 5 here in VA Beach-​​where you can hear the SOUNDS OF FREEDOM!!!The mil­lions that the “whin­ers” are get­ting should be given to the spouses and chil­dren of those who have given all they have to pro­tect our nation-​​they have more than earned it and deserve it for the sac­ri­fices made.

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  7. scooby says:
    June 20, 2007 at 8:51 pm

    Well, what would you expect from DefenseTech site???
    Sound of free­dom up your rooroo.
    Morons.…. STFU crusty turd

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  8. Shane says:
    June 28, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    Interesting debate to say the least. I def­i­nitely do not agree with the law­suit but do agree that jet noise at mid­night, 1 am, 2 am, 3 am is quite redicu­lous. Yes it has been coined “the sound of free­dom,” how­ever with respect to every­one there should be lim­its. Just as we need well trained pilots, we need well rested pro­fes­sion­als in all fields. The real­ity is that when jets fly over any­where in south­east vir­ginia beach it is very loud, but as men­tioned in numer­ous com­ments, it is bear­able. However, when they fly, at times until 4 am, it is rob­bing peo­ple of their sleep. Before any­one gets offended remem­ber, it takes indi­vid­u­als in all fields to make a soci­ety work and not every­one signed up to be in the mil­i­tary or chooses where they are born and raised. A great exam­ple is a friend of mine that is a crit­i­cal care nurse that has had less than 2 hours of sleep a night for the past 2 nights due to late (until nearly 4 am) low fly­ing jets. This same nurse may be car­ing for you or your loved one just as those pilots are car­ing for our free­dom. You know what is really redicu­lous is that some of you think the answer is if you don’t like it then move. Well, that is just a big cop-​​out, and a true lack of com­pas­sion. The eutopic answer would be to come to some kind of agree­ment as to how low and how late the jets should be able to fly. Allowing the cit­i­zens they pro­tect to do their jobs which are just impor­tant to the circle.

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  9. Dean says:
    July 2, 2007 at 11:41 pm

    Let Freedom Ring…just not at 4 am. lmao

    Reply
  10. Kelly says:
    July 10, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    I imag­ine it must be like liv­ing under the flight path at JFK or BOS and grip­ing about all the planes.…“but I didn’t know it would be so loud…”. Yeah, right.
    I’d sell my sould to live so close to an air­port or mil­i­tary fighter base.
    BTW, does nay­one know where I can find a bumper sticker that reads “I love jet noise”? I live in Bermuda, and they can’t be found here.

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  11. JayAre says:
    July 22, 2007 at 4:14 pm

    When I first heard about it, I thought the propo­si­tion of a law­suit com­plain­ing of jet noise for prop­erty own­ers who, for the most part know­ingly pur­chased their homes within just a few miles of a Master Jet base, sounded pretty ludi­crous, espe­cially for those of us who were sta­tioned at NASO and pur­posely did so but, this is America and I signed up even though I really didn’t have a com­plaint. I fig­ured ‘what the hell’, it’ll prob­a­bly fiz­zle out and not amount to any­thing. Personally I felt the Federal Government should have bro­ken it off in Va Beach’s ass for allow­ing con­struc­tion to encroach on the base as had been per­mit­ted. Retired, I have since sold my home and moved to another state. I had all but for­got­ten about this silly law­suit until yes­ter­day when I received a check. I’m not sure how I feel about the out­come; sur­prised mostly I guess.

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  12. Annie says:
    August 26, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    I am absolutely appalled at those who have filed a law­suit over jet noise. I also live near the Fentress field and had my chance to file a suit but had enough decency NOT TO! What will my reward be for not suing? Most likely my taxes will be raised to cover the law­suits of all you greedy peo­ple who have sued. And what’s worse is some of you peo­ple grew up around jet noise. Is this ill-​​gotten gain gonna lessen the noise? NO! When the gov’t gave so freely of our tax money to you greedy peo­ple, you SHOULD have had to use that money to pack up and move as far away from the jets as pos­si­ble. Is that how you show your appre­ci­a­tion for free­dom? I have 2 things to say to you greedy peo­ple. First of all, when it comes time to up our taxes, I think the gov’t needs to raise the taxes of those who recieved the money and sec­ond, should they decide to bring the draft back, draft ONLY those greedy peo­ple who thought so lit­tle of their free­dom — no mat­ter your age or gen­der.
    I’m appalled and ashamed of you greedy peo­ple!
    Annie

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  13. scooby says:
    September 5, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    I’m sell­ing my house in Oceana, Any of you dumb asses will­ing to buy? Hey.….it’s the sound of free­dom all day long and up your ass.…What more could you ask for?

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  14. Don Blish says:
    September 6, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    Close Oceana and move every­thing to Pensacola. The cit­i­zens of Pensacola would wel­come the increase.

    Reply
  15. Kelly says:
    September 13, 2007 at 9:13 am

    Hey, scooby…what are you ask­ing for it? I’d love to hear the sounds of free­dom all day/​night long. Doesn’t bother me a bit.…and I’m no dum­b­ass.
    And as for ‘what else could you ask for’? How about a clear view of said free­dom fly­ing all day and night? You got that too?

    Reply
  16. JOHN says:
    September 13, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    Sounds of free­dom? The last i checked we were already free! It’s the after­burn­ers that sucks. Do that part over the ocean were we don’t live. I have seen them fly by with almost no noise so i know thy can. Two day straight and am pretty over it already.

    Reply
  17. Jeff says:
    September 17, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    This is sick. I grew up in Va. Beach and lived there until about 3 years ago. Yes the jets are loud. The A6’s were bad and the F-​​18 Superhornets were worse. BUT I BOUGHT A HOUSE NEAR OCEANA. A JET BASE!!!!!! Common sense peo­ple. It amazes how stu­pid peo­ple actu­ally are.

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  18. Alan says:
    September 18, 2007 at 7:25 am

    Now there you go Jeff call­ing peo­ple stu­pid. Really uncalled for to stoop to a level which I’m sure is beneath you…but what is “…near the air base…”? There is a grow­ing num­ber of peo­ple that think it’s stu­pid to cling to the notion that since Oceana was here first they have a right to not adapt their train­ing pat­terns? What’s wrong with being pro­gres­sive and proac­tive to be bet­ter neigh­bors about it? And please don’t cat­e­go­rize me as some sort of lib­eral anti-​​military anti-everything…you haven’t a clue about me, my home, fam­ily, his­tory, any­thing. Far from stu­pid, I believe that in order to save Oceana, (which I want to see), the Navy needs to find a way to lessen their prac­tice over the largest city in the state. Look at a map my friend, the F-​​18s have encroached more and more west of the base. Need proof? Just stand at Bow Creek Golf Course on most any week­day. What does reach­ing that far west accom­plish? There are sev­eral alter­na­tives and com­pro­mises that can and should be reached to alle­vi­ate the noise pol­lu­tion brought to this city by the Super-​​Louds. This argue­ment isn’t going away, and name call­ing isn’t help­ing your side that just gives the Navy a free pass on their noise pollution.

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  19. Scooter says:
    October 6, 2007 at 8:14 am

    I would like to get my hands on the list of peo­ple who stole this money from the Navy. They ought to be pub­licly recognized.

    Reply
  20. alan says:
    October 11, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    There really just has to be a bet­ter way for them to train than over the city…there has to be and no amount of name call­ing will change my mind. Just look at a map…what good does fly­ing over Bow Creek Golf Course 14 hours a day accom­plish? It’s the Navy’s unwill­ing­ness to be proac­tive and pro­gres­sive and rec­og­nize their ever-​​widening area of oper­a­tion over the city is really encroach­ment as well…this isn’t 1943 any­more, this is a city of almost 500,000 peo­ple. Geez start the name call­ing again…sorry but that’s the fact. When the Navy con­tin­ues their free pass and start con­duct­ing flight ops over Pembroke…LOL. Look out that’s what got them on BRAC. Increasing their flight ops over half the pop­u­la­tion of this city is what will push BRAC to close this base in it’s next go ’round…Funny but those who “com­plain” about the Jet Noise real­ize that the Navy has to fig­ure this out or BRAC will shut them down. Those who blindly give the Navy a free-​​pass on their ever increas­ing noise pol­lu­tion just resort to name calling.

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  21. Mike says:
    October 22, 2007 at 10:35 pm

    It is sad to say but I checked out my house well before buy­ing but it didn

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  22. MICHAEL says:
    November 1, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    WHAT PART OF THE LAW DOESN’T THESE NOISE MAKERS UNDERSTAND, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PATRIOTISM OR FREEDOM. READ THE LAWS BELOW. WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SAME FIGHT HERE AT MACDILL AFB, TAMPA, FL.
    In 1972 Congress declares that Americans be free of exces­sive noise.
    *Noise Control Act 1972

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  23. Saundra Barlow says:
    November 14, 2007 at 6:56 am

    Okay, what about us here in the Hickory area of Chesapeake? You know…the NO FLY ZONE. We bought and built out here for a reason…PEACE and QUIET! Now our NO FLY ZONE has been turned into a NO PEACE ZONE. We didn’t buy and build near an Airforce Base and WE WERE HERE FIRST. Now what?

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  24. Alan says:
    November 21, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Now what Sandra? Now you’re screwed. Because the Navy can do what it wants, they haven’t had to answer to any­one over their encroach­ment. I bought my house it was so nice„,planes on the hori­zon. Now the F-​​18s fly right over Bow Creek Golf Course, it’s insane. We get them 14 hours a day some­times, so low you can lit­er­ally read tail num­bers. And the exhaust is hor­ri­ble, when they’re fly­ing their cir­cles over the pop­u­la­tion (why do they do that any­way when all that water is just due east is beyond me) the exhaust dri­ves you inside. I guess if we don’t like it we’re pro-​​terrorists, accord­ing to the many name­callers that write here. Actually I was here first, WEST OF THE BASE near Bow Creek Golf course. I will never give up my argue­ment that the Navy can and must revise the way they’re TRAINING so that it doesn’t fly over LARGE POPULATIONS areas of our cities. That’s why BRAC tar­geted Oceana, for fly­ing over the city. Or just bomb the golf course and get it over with. Oh that’s right, they bombed the Moving Company instead.…

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  25. Rob says:
    April 16, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    People who build homes near or next to run­ways of any kind should not com­plain. Those who didn’t sell before the noise became intol­er­a­ble have only them­selves to blame.
    I find it inter­est­ing that nobody com­plains when the ocean makes noise. The ocean is very good at mak­ing noise.
    That it is a mil­i­tary run­way does not mat­ter.
    Stop look­ing at the pretty pic­tures in the ads and start look­ing at the neigh­bor­hood before you buy a house. With ‘pre-​​approval’ to spend a cou­ple hun­dred thou­sand dol­lars, peo­ple can still be so stu­pid. In no way should any gov­ern­ment agency be made to pay for the lack of due dili­gence on the part of sev­eral thou­sand home own­ers.
    Planes make noise. I am so sorry your dream of a house by the beach didn’t work out the way you had hoped. Find another beach. The AF owns that one.

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  26. Alan says:
    June 5, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Rob you just have to call peo­ple names. Well we’re not stu­pid, we’re not unin­formed as you appear to be. My home is not “near a run­way” never was near a run­way, and never will be near a run­way. The FA 18s encroached on the city, not the other way around. They are too big and too loud to be fly­ing over a city THE SIZE OF VIRGINIA BEACH. You incon­sid­er­ate name call­ing “the navy can just do what­ever it wants with no regard to the cit­i­zens of VB” blinded fools just don’t get it. Don’t bring up the lame argue­ment: “the base was there first”. If that’s ger­maine, then the argue­ment “i was here before the F18s is just as ger­maine. No one i’ve met in dozens of con­ver­sa­tions over my 21 years of liv­ing near bow creek golf course ever stated they want the jets to leave. Just don’t think we’re so stu­pid as to believe they HAVE to fly over the neigh­bor­hoods to practice…BRAC said “…the future of naval avi­a­tion is not nas oceana…” not this retired chief petty offi­cer turned hotel desk clerk. And Rob, speak­ing of stu­pid, it’s the NAVY, not the AIR FORCE. Before you go call­ing peo­ple stu­pid, make sure you are not going to dis­play your stu­pid­ity out there for all to see.

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  31. Emily says:
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    I am right now, sit­ting in my house, with the win­dows shut, and the jet noise is awful! When we moved here there was noth­ing near the noise level it is now. The jets fly low enough that you can read the num­bers ON THE PLANE. It is one right after the other, all day long and into the night. The house vibrates, the win­dows shake, and you can’t even hear your tele­vi­sion or make a phone call inside your home. It’s total BS.

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