Comments on: Fire for a ‘Precise’ Effect

By: WestHighlander

WestHighlander — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:10:33 +0000

This discussion should be obvious:
World you rather have a rifle at 200m or a musket at 25m
Precision and stand-off always wins — unless you are a terrorist and all you want is immediate effect (e.g. explosive vest)
The other positive is that technology will drop the price of the “smart” artillery round while operational costs of aircraft will just increase
Of-course left out of this discussion is the “kamikaze” UAV carrying the artillery round’s warhead and loitering over the target area with sensors, gps and direct link to the forward observer
Westy

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By: Adam

Adam — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:33:46 +0000

Congrats to the EXCALIBUR team from a former member. Looks like it is working as was envisoned! You guys got this one right!

By: stuckey

stuckey — Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:53 +0000

duck and cover.it might save us a few planes and pilots in the long run and keep some of the bad guys guessing what thay need to pack for the next fight.

By: PhilLeech

PhilLeech — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:16:25 +0000

In the long run artillary should prove to be cheaper. It always has in the past. Precicion guided ordinance was inevitable.

By: breechblock

breechblock — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:48:20 +0000

AND.…ARTILLERY “KING OF BATTLE” L2/11 1stMAR DIV, 155mm (Towed)

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:52:24 +0000

I don’t have all the info on this precision Guided Round for the Army and grunts.. But, as a Vet of the Submarine Service, it seems to me that having precision guided munitions in EVERYONE’S hands could be a good thing.. Remember, when the stuff hits the fan, there is T.O.G.A. to think about.. The Only Guy Available.. What happens if some Army, or Marine really needs to take out a target to save their butts.. Maybe the Cannon is the only thing available… Sounds like a good Idea to Me…

By: Slab

Slab — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:32:08 +0000

“First of all, the smallest JDAMs being used primarily are 1,000-pounders and the vast majority overall are 2,000-pounders.“
Hahn, your information is incorrect. GBU-38s are frequently used over there, they have a 500lb yield. Also, laser guided bombs are employed just as frequently, if not more. There are also several air-delivered munitions available to reduce collateral damage well below that of a 500lb bomb. The need for precision guided artillery is not driven by concerns about collateral damage, but rather by a need for more responsive precision fire support.
BTW, Niel, we did plenty of counter-fire missions in Jazirah, too. I don’t think Excalibur will be of much use in that role, best to stick with the standard “dumb” HE rounds with a mix of PD and VT fuzing.
I don’t foresee too much danger from AQ getting their hands on precision guided mortar rounds. They don’t have the means to determine the target location with sufficient accuracy to make PGMs effective. In the end, target location error is the biggest limiting factor with GPS-guided munitions.

By: MasterGuns ret.

MasterGuns ret. — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:23:01 +0000

Yack,yak yak…Your all sounding to self important or are just to dam’d narrow minded.
Do any of you remember having to pull the mike out of a dead butterbars hands to call off a FUBAR’d fire mission and then looking at the Grunts “God Bless them ALL” then Finding the Guts to key the mike and call the fire mission in on them because
your being over ran.Then clean up in the morning!!
This round with the ability of this cannon to put up rounds for the same impact time..Sweet.. a ring of rounds around my position intead all over
us. Screw everything up to the Air Force,They killed a lot of us to. We won’t always be fighting a House…This is a Life saver for the Grunts!!!! Quit pissing up the rope!!! If you can’t handle the Truth Then I’ll relive it and Take you along and you can help me bag and tag 18 year olds body parts. There I’am done now. Thanks
for your time. SGRoberts usmc I corp

By: Richard McCormick

Richard McCormick — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:34:06 +0000

Stuart Koehl, whoever he is, doesn’t sound like he ever smelled cordite. To make a statement like he did betrays a vast gulf of ignorance when it comes to the effectiveness of artillery on the battlefield. As a former eight-inch howitzer battery commander, I can assure you that this weapon is amazingly accurate. The 155 mm also is quite accurate. If memory serves me, more than 80% of enemy casualties in Korea were inflicted by artillery fire. By the way, U.S. forces had air superiority in spades in Korea! The battle of Chipyong-Ni was won, in great part, by artillery. The Eighth Army took out two Chinese field armies in that particular battle and most of the casualties were from indirect fire weapons.