Comments on: One Answer to Hollow-Tip Bans http://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/ The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:08:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Zulu5oscarhttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-1/#comment-195731 Zulu5oscar Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:02:30 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-195731 Jonathan, you're writing in english, not german, russian or japanese...I wonder what country arranged for that blessing....certainly not the french. Jonathan, you’re writing in english, not german, russian or japanese…I wonder what country arranged for that blessing.…certainly not the french.

]]> By: Darkgenthttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-2/#comment-194610 Darkgent Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:04:03 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-194610 I refuse to get involved in euro bashing given that history shows europeans practice warfare more often than any known civilizations on this planet. The next time europeans want to bash American foreign and military policy, they need to recall their silence in permitting the death of 6 million Jewish people and countless eastern Europeans during the last world wide conflict. Let he is without sin, cast the first stone. Warfare was never intended to be pretty or principled. The Hague Convention was an attempt to inflict reason and principles in an unprincipled human endeavor. That is why it is likely the US Senate rejected the Hague as unenforcible and thus pointless. I also side with the numerous comments that point out the legal issue of what rules apply when non-signatories engage in conflict. In such cases, the is no binding authority and as such each is allow to wage unrestricted warfare. For those that savor the majesty of law, laws are only binding upon contracting parties...period. Darkgent I refuse to get involved in euro bashing given that history shows europeans practice warfare more often than any known civilizations on this planet. The next time europeans want to bash American foreign and military policy, they need to recall their silence in permitting the death of 6 million Jewish people and countless eastern Europeans during the last world wide conflict. Let he is without sin, cast the first stone.

Warfare was never intended to be pretty or principled. The Hague Convention was an attempt to inflict reason and principles in an unprincipled human endeavor. That is why it is likely the US Senate rejected the Hague as unenforcible and thus pointless. I also side with the numerous comments that point out the legal issue of what rules apply when non-signatories engage in conflict. In such cases, the is no binding authority and as such each is allow to wage unrestricted warfare. For those that savor the majesty of law, laws are only binding upon contracting parties…period.

Darkgent

]]> By: Darkgenthttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-2/#comment-194609 Darkgent Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:02:58 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-194609 This entire debate about the Hague Conventions is pointless and a waste of typed space. The intent of the Hague Conventions was to reduce the extent of crippling and supposedly "inhumane wounds". That trumps every definition of oxi-moronic I have ever read given the ultimate objective of warfare. Warfare is about inflicting force of will by armed confllict, period. It matters not how many folks you wound or kill outright, it is an inhumane enterprise. The mechanics of how one achieves these objectives matters little to the victim of this ignoble endeavor. Dead is dead and crippled is little better. Having been wounded and crippled personally, I took little solace in the minor distinction. It took me 6 long years to recover well enough to return to the profession of arms. Spinal wounds really don't care what mechanism inflicts the injury. To my mind, if I and my collegues had more lethal ammunition perhaps I would have never been wounded. This entire debate about the Hague Conventions is pointless and a waste of typed space. The intent of the Hague Conventions was to reduce the extent of crippling and supposedly “inhumane wounds”. That trumps every definition of oxi-moronic I have ever read given the ultimate objective of warfare. Warfare is about inflicting force of will by armed confllict, period. It matters not how many folks you wound or kill outright, it is an inhumane enterprise.

The mechanics of how one achieves these objectives matters little to the victim of this ignoble endeavor. Dead is dead and crippled is little better. Having been wounded and crippled personally, I took little solace in the minor distinction. It took me 6 long years to recover well enough to return to the profession of arms. Spinal wounds really don’t care what mechanism inflicts the injury. To my mind, if I and my collegues had more lethal ammunition perhaps I would have never been wounded.

]]> By: glenhttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-1/#comment-193689 glen Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:40:22 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-193689 at the present time the russians use a rifle bullet that is designed with a void in the nose under the jacket. upon impact the core slides forward and causes the bullet to tumble violently. a clear volition of these treaties and understandings. yet no one seems inclined to take the russkis to task. some things never change at the present time the russians use a rifle bullet that is designed with a void in the nose under the jacket. upon impact the core slides forward and causes the bullet to tumble violently. a clear volition of these treaties and understandings. yet no one seems inclined to take the russkis to task. some things never change

]]> By: Billhttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-1/#comment-191392 Bill Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:18:07 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-191392 Since WW2, the US has had it's fingers in a lot of places where one would think they don't belong. I can see much of it as a direct result of the losses in life and treasure during WW2. By acting as world police, there should not be another waste of life on such a scale. Results, in my view, are subjective to who is looking at them. There are so many sides to this story it could drive a person mad to think about all implications of such policy. Any direction that the US foreign policy goes, it can't win favor from everyone. To let the world build up to another world war is a disaster to all. One can preach the word of how great this country or that country is but the simple truth is all are guilty of putting the world in it's present state. Since WW2, the US has had it’s fingers in a lot of places where one would think they don’t belong. I can see much of it as a direct result of the losses in life and treasure during WW2. By acting as world police, there should not be another waste of life on such a scale. Results, in my view, are subjective to who is looking at them. There are so many sides to this story it could drive a person mad to think about all implications of such policy. Any direction that the US foreign policy goes, it can’t win favor from everyone. To let the world build up to another world war is a disaster to all. One can preach the word of how great this country or that country is but the simple truth is all are guilty of putting the world in it’s present state.

]]> By: Matthttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-1/#comment-188122 Matt Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:47:23 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-188122 Well, you amer­i­cans have bro­ken every other treaty, includ­ing nuclear dis­ar­mam­net and the Geneva con­ven­tion on tor­ture, so what does it mat­ter if youo break another one?. It comes as no suprise to your for­mer sup­port­ers. Go for it, just remem­ber what goes around, comes around.What is this crap..The US does follow the Geneva convention you jackass why do you think we don't ?? The Geneva convention rule apply to those in uniform fighting in a war. If you are not wearing a uniform and are acting as a combatant then the only thing that applies to you is the right to die. The current batch of cowards running around wearing dresses and using kids for shields ie aq, taliban jihadists what ever those clowns are calling themselves deserve nothing. Anyone who kills women,children and people who are non combatants over a belife or religion are cowards and do not deserve the treatment under the Geneva convention. Why do terrorist think they dont have to follow the rules but everyone else does?? You must be either a muslime or a liberal democrap. For you to voice your moronic statement proves that your parents should not have been allowed to bred Well, you amer­i­cans have bro­ken every other treaty, includ­ing nuclear dis­ar­mam­net and the Geneva con­ven­tion on tor­ture, so what does it mat­ter if youo break another one?. It comes as no suprise to your for­mer sup­port­ers. Go for it, just remem­ber what goes around, comes around.

What is this crap..The US does follow the Geneva convention you jackass why do you think we don’t ?? The Geneva convention rule apply to those in uniform fighting in a war. If you are not wearing a uniform and are acting as a combatant then the only thing that applies to you is the right to die. The current batch of cowards running around wearing dresses and using kids for shields ie aq, taliban jihadists what ever those clowns are calling themselves deserve nothing. Anyone who kills women,children and people who are non combatants over a belife or religion are cowards and do not deserve the treatment under the Geneva convention. Why do terrorist think they dont have to follow the rules but everyone else does?? You must be either a muslime or a liberal democrap. For you to voice your moronic statement proves that your parents should not have been allowed to bred

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]]> By: DPDCOPhttp://defensetech.org/2007/06/05/one-answer-to-hollow-tip-bans/comment-page-1/#comment-162667 DPDCOP Sat, 16 May 2009 03:57:44 +0000 http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2553#comment-162667 I am a police officer in the City of Detroit. This ammo is the only ammunition we are legally allowed to carry per our general orders. Too many times have we been in shootings where the ammunition, upon striking the target, failed to perform. Too many times a perpetrators jacket was taken off only to have the fully expanded shells fall out, which never penetrated the inner clothing the perpetrator was wearing, direct strikes to the skull failed to penetrate, failure to penetrate a drywall wall the scenarios are almost endless. There has even been articles written in the local papers "The Detroit Free Press" and "The Detroit News" discussing the poor performance of the ammo. Think of it this way. A hollow point bullet doesnt expand until its inside the body and the cavity is full of water/body fluid. The EFMJ bullet however, due to the resistance of the body, the EFMJ bullet expands or can expand before penetrating inside the body. With the now larger meplat the energy required to punch through the clothing or even the skin is greatly increased. Yes, i know many will argue the point of a hollowpoint getting filled with clothing, but i'd rather have a hollowpoint acting like a FMJ over a EFMJ bullet that has a rubber bumper in the front of it. I dont like the bullet. I strongly urge against using this ammo, especially when our troops lives are on the line. I am a police officer in the City of Detroit. This ammo is the only ammunition we are legally allowed to carry per our general orders. Too many times have we been in shootings where the ammunition, upon striking the target, failed to perform. Too many times a perpetrators jacket was taken off only to have the fully expanded shells fall out, which never penetrated the inner clothing the perpetrator was wearing, direct strikes to the skull failed to penetrate, failure to penetrate a drywall wall the scenarios are almost endless. There has even been articles written in the local papers “The Detroit Free Press” and “The Detroit News” discussing the poor performance of the ammo.
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I dont like the bullet. I strongly urge against using this ammo, especially when our troops lives are on the line.

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