Comments on: Dragon Skin Takes a Beating on Hill

By: Galina

Galina — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:14:45 +0000

The problem I have is that they have already tested the Dragon Skin and it failed. The president of Pinnacle was on site for the test and he did not have any objections.
If Pinnacle has made changes and improvements to the product then I say re-test. Otherwise let it go, the vest failed move on.

By: patriot

patriot — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:19:12 +0000

again, take a look at SFTT.org, apparently ARL, in Maryland tested two DS vests about 3 weeks ago. These tests followed FAT protocol for a “high temp” test. The number of shot and placement of the shots for these vests actually exceeded ESAPI specification. It is probably also noteworthy to mention that every single round was defeated, and yes they did use 7.62 x63mm AP2 rounds. The Army is going to have a lot of explaining to do. See the following link for more specifics on this story:
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Unlisted%202007%2edb&command=viewone&id=33

By: Trax

Trax — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:46:21 +0000

why is this argument still going when the youtube movies clearly show the creator of interceptor admitting that dragon skin was by far superior?
my god, i think i just won the entire debate.

By: Sian

Sian — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:07:22 +0000

Side-by-side tests? It won’t happen. They test against a set of requirements. The drama connected to Dragon Skin is amazing.
I say we let the Marine Corps test it. Get some results minus the politics and drama.

By: William

William — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:57:29 +0000

I think that Pinnacle got exposed that they have been marketing fiction and preying on scared soldiers and their families. Their innuendo about the conspiracy of the military industrial complex got shot down, when one of the panel members pointed out that his office found pinnacle and directed the test last May.
Another thing is how can something that is heavier, and doesn’t pass the test be better than what we give the troops? I never did understand why nobody got that part of the arguement.
If pinnacle can make armor that weighs the same as Interceptor will be determined in the next round of tests, but it is very unlikely that will happen, since the design is inherently 30% heavier, and no one can fix that problem.

By: Kilroy

Kilroy — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:11:20 +0000

Alright, Jeff.
I’m sorry if I went tactical on ya’ there. But honestly, have just seen to much bickering back and forth — accompanied by a never-ending political agenda — on both sides — that is nothing but distracting and diverting us from the real issues that now face us.
Now we can choose to look for and dwell on the things that seperate us (like, say — 500 people in SF who are completely wacked out A-holes) or we can choose to come together and find the things that Unite us — in order to fight together for the thing we cherish the most; Our Country and our People. (and yes, even Nancy Pelosi, with all her SF liberal female BS is still considered one of US).
I’m just sick and tired of all the Bullshit and spin, you know? Bush CLAIMS Iraq is this and Iraq is that — then why doesn’t he grow a pair in re-instate the draft so we can actually have more than 150,000 troops fighting this war? Why? Because he’s just as much a political schmuck as Nancy is. I could go on and on… obviously… But will just suffice to say — that after 7 years of Spin and political BS, I have no more tolerance for any of it — especially from a bunch of mouthpieces and hacks who have never served a damn day in their lives (i.e. — everyone is this current administration and their media mouthpieces. Is there even ONE of these jokers that have ONE DAY’s combat experience? didn’t think so) yet they claim to have some authority and wisdom that we should all bow down to. Please. Spare me the shit-talk and make the hard decisions necessary to deal with issues in front of us. All the political “blame the other party’ shit is getting us no where.
but do as you will. I’ll probably be dead before the end of the year anyway, so you won’t have to listen to me shout the cold truth anymore… and can go back to your propaganda name-calling all you want.
i’m out.

By: Slab

Slab — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:01:09 +0000

“If the Army had stayed out of the political propaganda game, and if they had handled this a little better from the start, then there would be no need for these hearings.“
The Army did stay out of the propaganda game, which is why Pinnacle had free run to put their story out for a year. Understand the context of Karl Masters’ comment on PS.com — it was not meant to be a public statement, but somewhat tongue-in-cheek advice to friends and colleagues. In my opinion, that adds to the credibility of his statement. He was confiding his honest, heartfelt opinion on DS to friends who might have otherwise entrusted their lives to substandard gear.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:30:05 +0000

kilroy,
Setting aside all of your ad hominem attacks, I will take some blame for your rant. My reference to demon-crats was harse and not specific. I was specifically refering to the DC crowd, not the political beliefs of those in uniform. I have tremendous respect for anyone who will wear a uniform (USA, USMC, USAF, USN, etc). This would include you as you imply in your blog that you have

By: patriot

patriot — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:13:32 +0000

One thing for sure is going to come of this:
Mr. Neal is going to come out either looking very very good, or he is going to come out looking very very bad.
I don’t think we’ll have to wait long to see the resuls of a re-test Congress has requested

By: dwalker

dwalker — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:28:22 +0000

The real problem is that the American taxpayer has no faith the Defense Dept’s acquisition process at all, and for good reason. Replace “complicated and rigourous” with “byzantine and full of back room deals” and I think you have the right description for how weapon systems are procured.
While it is unfortunate that some are second guessing the military on this particular issue, the fact is have brought this on themselves. If they want people to stop “harassing” them then they need to prove to the American people that they can deploy the right system at the right time.