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Home » The Peoples' Site » July 4th Will Never be the Same

July 4th Will Never be the Same

An eagle-​​eyed Defense Tech reader pointed out in an email to edi­tors that the post put up yes­ter­day on July 4 fac­toids had been par­tially debunked by the inter­net inves­ti­ga­tors over at Snopes​.com.
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Never shy of embrac­ing infor­ma­tion con­trary to our posts, the edi­to­r­ial board of Defense Tech made the deci­sion to pass along the mit­i­gat­ing data pro­vided by res1huzn even though it was a bit of a stick in the eye for us.

Five sign­ers were cap­tured by the British as trai­tors and tor­tured before they died.

It is true that five sign­ers of the Declaration of Independence were cap­tured by the British dur­ing the course of the Revolutionary War. However, none of them died while a pris­oner, and four of them were taken into cus­tody not because they were con­sid­ered “trai­tors” due to their sta­tus as sig­na­to­ries to that doc­u­ment, but because they were cap­tured as pris­on­ers of war while actively engaged in mil­i­tary oper­a­tions against the British: George Walton was cap­tured after being wounded while com­mand­ing mili­tia at the Battle of Savannah in December 1778, and Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (three of the four Declaration of Independence sign­ers from South Carolina) were taken pris­oner at the Siege of Charleston in May in 1780.

Although they endured the ill treat­ment typ­i­cally afforded to pris­on­ers of war dur­ing their cap­tiv­ity (prison con­di­tions were quite deplorable at the time), they were not tor­tured, nor is there evi­dence that they were treated more harshly than other wartime pris­on­ers who were not also sig­na­to­ries to the Declaration. Moreover, all four men were even­tu­ally exchanged or released; had they been con­sid­ered trai­tors by the British, they would have been hanged.

Richard Stockton of New Jersey was the only signer taken pris­oner specif­i­cally because of his sta­tus as a sig­na­tory to the Declaration, “dragged from his bed by night” by local Tories after he had evac­u­ated his fam­ily from New Jersey, and impris­oned in New York City’s infa­mous Provost Jail like a com­mon crim­i­nal. However, Stockton was also the only one of the fifty-​​six sign­ers who vio­lated the pledge to sup­port the Declaration of Independence and each other with “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor,” secur­ing a par­don and his release from impris­on­ment by recant­ing his sig­na­ture on the Declaration and sign­ing an oath swear­ing his alle­giance to George III. 

So, for all you smarty pants out there, con­sider this one a July 4th myth shat­tered for all of us. But dont even think about telling us in December that theres no Santa Clause.

– Christian

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  1. guywithpants says:
    July 5, 2007 at 11:25 am

    “Never shy of embrac­ing infor­ma­tion con­trary to our posts”, but appar­ently shy of even so much as googling ran­dom unsub­stan­ti­ated fac­toids for­warded around prior to post­ing them as truth.

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  2. mike says:
    July 5, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Yeah, the soldier-​​level tech stuff is still quite good (though I think I’ve heard enough Inside Baseball on Dragon Skin) but Christian has an unfor­tu­nate habit of pick­ing up what­ever the lat­est admin­is­tra­tion trial bal­loon is. Single-​​sourced, DoD-​​origin story on Iranian sup­port for (insert enemy here)? Human-​​interest story slam­ming California lib­er­als? DT is all over it. Latest mis­sive from the Kagan clan on how great the surge is? It’s here. I’m sur­prised Christian hasn’t found a ‘defense’ angle on Gore’s pot­head son yet.
    I mean, yeah, bias is a fact of all media but this is DefenseTECH and a lot of the stuff that’s come up since Noah left is def­i­nitely not tech… it’s kind of get­ting like CQ or Michelle Malkin around here, but not funny.
    Axe’s new blog is pretty lame, too. The guy man­ages to have all these excel­lent expe­ri­ences, but seems to lack the insight to do any­thing except nar­rate them, and he’s not a good enough writer to make the nar­ra­tive interesting.

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  3. Wembley says:
    July 5, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    “dragged from his bed by night” by local Tories -
    Well, that’s just the Tories all over, some things never change. Maybe Cameron will start sug­gest­ing that rev­o­lu­tion­ar­ies should be huh­hed rather than hanged…

    Reply
  4. jon livesey says:
    July 5, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    I hon­estly won­der what it says about a coun­try when once a year it trots out these semi-​​fictional ver­sions of a par­tic­u­lar period of his­tory.
    These “fac­toids” aren’t just mis­takes. They are a moti­vated and lov­ingly crafted mis­rep­re­sen­ta­tion of his­tory. And Defense Tech is hardly the only place in the US where they get cer­e­mo­ni­ously pre­sented every Fourth.
    The US used to mock the USSR for its polit­i­cally cor­rect ver­sions of his­tory. A mir­ror might be handy.

    Reply
  5. Jimbo says:
    July 5, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    Santa Clause?
    When it pours it rains huh? AFAIK the movie still exists.

    Reply
  6. Max says:
    July 6, 2007 at 8:31 am

    jon livesey: you’re a moron who sees what you want to see. Within a few min­utes of post­ing this error, a bunch of us were all over it, and Christian cor­rected it just as quickly. No gov­ern­ment ped­dled this story; no one enforced its alleged truth. Yes, thou­sands of low-​​level “patri­ots” (and appar­ently one jour­nal­ist) prob­a­bly believed it with­out check­ing it. But you’re worse than them: that sus­pi­cious story erro­neously con­firms their patri­o­tism, but you take read­ily avail­able facts (wide­spread free­dom of media and political/​philosophical debate in the U.S.) and ignore them to cling to your dumb-​​ass con­clu­sion that the U.S. is exactly like the U.S.S.R.

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  7. ajay says:
    July 6, 2007 at 10:45 am

    But — but they were insur­gents! Shouldn’t they have been tor­tured? After all, they cer­tainly hadn’t signed the Geneva Convention!

    Reply
  8. Saul Goode says:
    July 8, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    You do know Noah has a new blog, right?
    http://​blog​.wired​.com/​d​e​f​e​n​se/

    Reply
  9. nb says:
    July 9, 2007 at 5:55 pm

    P.S. It was a cherry tree…

    Reply
  10. stephen russell says:
    December 31, 2007 at 12:57 am

    Vital to post this for US History to clar­ify this issue.
    Must post to History​.com
    History Channel​.com
    Thanks.
    Makes July 4th Mean some­thing now.
    Let the Public Know.
    Change our History books.

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