Comments on: The Sunday Paper (Editorial Page)

By: Ward

Ward — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:08:41 +0000

Jason admitted he was wrong, Max. Let’s give him credit for that.

By: max

max — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:31:41 +0000

“Clearly, on this one, I had it totally wrong. He lied. I believed him. I was wrong. TNR was wrong (though I still believe they believed him as I did and didn’t knowingly lie, just as I don’t think they knew glass was lying at the time and addressed it when it came out).
Posted by: Jason at August 7, 2007 07:28 PM“
TNR knew he was untruthful-almost from the get go-they wrote that noone had proven Beauchamp wrong, even as veterans lined up to point out some of his acts were physically impossible.
I like how you jumped in to make counter accustations-beased on falsehoods to help them out!

By: Jason

Jason — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:28:09 +0000

Clearly, on this one, I had it totally wrong. He lied. I believed him. I was wrong. TNR was wrong (though I still believe they believed him as I did and didn’t knowingly lie, just as I don’t think they knew glass was lying at the time and addressed it when it came out).

By: Ward

Ward — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:26:50 +0000

A finer point to Max’s input:
“THE WEEKLY STANDARD has learned from a military source close to the investigation that Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp–author of the much-disputed ‘Shock Troops’ article in the New Republic’s July 23 issue as well as two previous ‘Baghdad Diarist’ columns–signed a sworn statement admitting that all three articles he published in the New Republic were
exaggerations and falsehoods–fabrications containing only ‘a smidgen of truth,’ in the words of our source.

By: max

max — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:01:03 +0000

“Yes, they’re anonymous, but they’re real. Do you people really believe that TNR really is gonna put its ass on the line for a guy whose lying and that they’re gonna help cover up his lies by making stuff up? Of course now that this has turned into such a ridiculous (and manufactured) tempest in a teapot, what soldier is gonna come out and attach his name to something when he’s obviously gonna have to deal with the heavy duty bullshit that will come streaming down the chain of command on his ass?“
Yeah-TNR will put his ass on the line for a lier-they’ve done it before.
“This is such a political witch hunt. Beauchamp has been filing stories from Iraq for a while. As long as they agree with his stories’ politics, publications like the Weekly Standard were cheerleaders for this guy. As soon as the truth showed something different, they attacked him. Vilely.“
Dude, check out the news now-he lied. He’s recanted

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:11:14 +0000

this article features several corroroborations:
http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=w070730&s=editorial080207
Yes, they’re anonymous, but they’re real. Do you people really believe that TNR really is gonna put its ass on the line for a guy whose lying and that they’re gonna help cover up his lies by making stuff up? Of course now that this has turned into such a ridiculous (and manufactured) tempest in a teapot, what soldier is gonna come out and attach his name to something when he’s obviously gonna have to deal with the heavy duty bullshit that will come streaming down the chain of command on his ass?
Here’s a piece by Conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan with links showing Hewitt couldn’t find any innacuracies:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/07/the-scott-thoma.html
This is such a political witch hunt. Beauchamp has been filing stories from Iraq for a while. As long as they agree with his stories’ politics, publications like the Weekly Standard were cheerleaders for this guy. As soon as the truth showed something different, they attacked him. Vilely.
Look, in war there are atrocities. This guy isn’t writing about anything that comes close to being an atrocity. Why all the attack? Because this administration gave 200,000 AK47’s to insurgents that were paid for with American tax dollars and they’d rather focus attention on one soldier who can’t really defend himself (a la Abu Ghraib etc) rather than on the disgusting and easily prevented failures that seem to pop up almost daily and military decisions being made by “men” who make the maginot line creators look like Napolean, Caesar and Rommel combined.…

By: Render

Render — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:48:56 +0000

uh-huh.
We know that Beauchump is actually serving.
However not a single one of his stories are validated by even a single one of his unit members. Not one.
Not even the stories he fabricated while he was still in Kuwait.
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Hey Ghandi — I’m one of those “asshats” over at LGF. Suck it up.
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By: Ward

Ward — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:29:02 +0000

There will be no money, Demophilus. But on your deathbed you will have total consciousness; so you got that going for you, which is nice …

By: RWC

RWC — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:38:14 +0000

Jason,
Can you point out some of the corroboration of the Beauchamp fiction? Or are you referring to them using one other anonymous source as their verification.

By: demophilus

demophilus — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:36:10 +0000

Hey, Ward:
If the readers and writers roles here “are often indistinguishable”, shouldn’t you be paying us to post here?
Where do I send my invoice?