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Home » Drones » The Robot Plane Lives

The Robot Plane Lives

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Standing before the ominous-​​looking scale mockup of Northrop Grummans X-​​47B Unmanned Combat Air System, the Navys top sci­ence and tech­nol­ogy offi­cial pro­claimed the ser­vices com­mit­ment to unmanned air vehi­cles and their appli­ca­tion for future naval combat.

Sort of.

Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition Dolores Etter was decid­edly cool in her sup­port the UCAS, describ­ing in a very legal­is­tic way as a demon­stra­tion and pro­to­type pro­gram and an impor­tant one … among many, that is.

Northrop Grumman beat out the com­pe­ti­tion from Boeing last week to build a UCAS demon­stra­tor that will help the Navy fig­ure out how such a com­bat drone could inte­grate itself into the car­rier air wing.

There are lots of ques­tions we have to answer as to how this sys­tem is going to be able to do the car­rier oper­a­tions, Etter said.

This has got to be a blow to hard-​​core UCAV advo­cates who make a com­pelling argu­ment that Navy UCAVs need to be inte­grated onto the CAG yes­ter­day. The Navys UCAS pro­gram man­ager, Rear Adm. Tim Heely, out­lined the pro­files the X-​​47B is sched­uled to fly, includ­ing approach­ing a car­rier, land­ing on a car­rier, tak­ing off on the car­rier, mul­ti­ple approaches I think its around 40 or 30 approaches and inte­grat­ing in the air above the car­rier and on the car­rier. Very crit­i­cal parts of naval aviation.

Heely did say aer­ial refu­el­ing will be nixed from the test pro­gram, how­ever. But Northrop offi­cials argue that part of test­ing wont be tough to surmount.

The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments argued last month the Navy is drag­ging its feet on UCAS for cul­tural rea­sons human avi­a­tors dont want to share the decks with their robot coun­ter­parts. And per­haps Etters leuk­warm embrace of the drone stand­ing behind her was an indi­ca­tion of that.

CSBA argued X-​​47B-​​like drones would give the Navy nearly unlim­ited per­sis­tence over a tar­get and would allow car­rier to launch strikes so far from their tar­get that a ship could send a sor­tie of drones to North Korea, for exam­ple, as it is leav­ing port in Pearl Harbor.
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But the Navys top UAV offi­cial argued in a pri­vate inter­view with Defense Tech that drones such as the X-​​47B and the MQ-​​8B Fire Scout could over­come the cul­tural imped­i­ments by take bor­ing jobs such as com­mu­ni­ca­tions relay and aer­ial ship inspec­tion mis­sions away from human pilots so that flesh-​​an-​​bone avi­a­tors can con­cen­trate on more impor­tant ones like strike and anti-​​ship missions.

Clearly, how­ever, yes­ter­days address at the AUVSI flight demo with three white-​​uniform clad Naval offi­cers and their civil­ian boss stand­ing before this robotic giant demon­strated the begin­nings of a major shift in war­fare and in naval avi­a­tion culture.

– Christian

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  1. TB says:
    August 7, 2007 at 9:09 am

    Didn’t the Quadrennal Defense Review say some­thing like in the next 20 years nearly half of the Air Force’s strike capa­bil­ity is sup­posed to be unmanned?

    Reply
  2. Nicholas Weaver says:
    August 7, 2007 at 10:14 am

    Well, the Air Force has it eas­ier:
    They have a culture/​infrastructure of in-​​air refu­el­ing and long-​​distance fly­ing already.
    Given a UCAV that can refuel from a stan­dard aer­ial tanker, now endurance becomes “How long until the engine needs an oil change or a part fails”.
    Also, a pilot adds a min­i­mum of prob­a­bly 500‑1000 lbs over­all nec­es­sary weight, which is not a huge amount of weight on a 20,000 lb fighter, but IS huge on a 2000 lb loi­terer, and with a materials-​​stealthy 2000 lb loi­terer with 5, 100lb bombs, this is a lot of inter­est­ing capability.

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  3. Roy Smith says:
    August 7, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    Now THIS is a good idea.These UCAVs can totally save the lives of our pilots.They can aug­ment manned fight­ers & they can do the low level bomb­ing mis­sions that got the A-​​6s & Tornados shot down dur­ing Desert Storm.China is con­vert­ing old obso­lete fight­ers into UCAVs that can deliver anti-​​ship mis­siles & then like a kamikaze,crash into the ships.Thise would be great for the sui­cide mis­sions that it would be imprac­ti­cal for manned air­craft to do.

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  4. Shiznitz says:
    August 7, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    As a mil­i­tary enthu­si­ast, the ‘mun­dane’ should be the open­ing act — the sell­ing point should be ‘we’ll do the dirty work,’(see Predator…) Capabilities will be noticed, ideas will form, and tests will diver­sify. Its only a mat­ter of time. A stealthy attack force of UAVs swarm­ing like bees would be unstop­pable and of no risk to a sailor, avi­a­tor, sol­dier, or marine. I just hope egos and pol­i­tics don’t hin­der development.

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  5. cenobyte40k says:
    August 7, 2007 at 7:24 pm

    The Navy really does need to get over itself on this one. I know that we need to test out car­rier spe­cific issues first, to do oth­er­wise would be putting the cart before the horse. But these prob­lems are mostly soft­ware, not hard­ware. You can start design­ing and build­ing the air­craft you want to fly and ones you get the soft­ware issues fig­ured out you can start rolling out the air­wings.
    The world we live in now is a lot faster than it was even 15 years ago, the DOD (And the govt as a whole) needs to start think­ing of work­ing much more quickly than it had.

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  6. SMSgt Mac says:
    August 7, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    Couple of fac­toids to add to the mix.

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  7. ohwilleke says:
    August 8, 2007 at 12:08 am

    Ah mil­i­tary cul­ture. This quote is par­tic­u­larly strik­ing:
    “[T]he Navy

    Reply
  8. SMSgt Mac says:
    August 8, 2007 at 8:10 am

    The point about pilot attri­tion is most valid. It takes years to assem­ble a con­tin­uum of pilots in the pipeline and many dol­lars as well. We used to have a say­ing: “RPV (later UAV) pilots never made a land­ing we couldn’t walk away from”.
    The cost/​risk to pilots must be bal­anced by the cost of over­head and infra­struc­ture to project force remotely. Predator and Global Hawk mis­sions are child’s play com­pared to an inte­grated global strike mis­sion or air cam­paign. It will be an inter­est­ing future.
    Here’s some UAV con­troller trivia. The Human Factors folks at Brooks AFB did a study a cou­ple of years ago that found ‘pilots’ were the most likely to crash a UAV com­pared to any other group tested. I think there were some apples and oranges com­pared in the mix, but it rein­forced my anec­do­tal expe­ri­ence. Our group’s trainer used to tell can­di­dates he took them “six mis­takes high” on their first flight before turn­ing the con­trols over to them. If the can­di­date was already a pilot he would take them “12 mis­takes high” because they could do 6 stu­pid things before he could resume con­trol.
    Of course, that was for a sys­tem where the con­troller actu­ally con­trolled the air­craft instead of hit­ting a but­ton and wav­ing bye-​​bye.

    Reply
  9. demophilus says:
    August 8, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    A lit­tle his­tory for the board, JIC you’re not famil­iar with it. USN has dab­bled in sur­veil­lance and attack drones for a long time. If you’re inter­ested, google terms like DASH or QH-​​50, Project Option, Special Task Air Group (aka, STAG-​​) 1, or TDR-​​1.
    The USS Boxer launched drone attack mis­sions dur­ing Korea using drone Hellcats. JFK’s brother Joe Jr. was killed pilot­ing a drone Navy Liberator to cruise alti­tude dur­ing an attack pro­gram called Project APHRODITE.
    Of course, those pro­grams were one-​​way, attack pro­grams: basi­cally, guided mis­siles. Now we’re talk­ing round trips. That’s very dif­fer­ent.
    Still, some of this has been a long time com­ing. Those inter­ested in lessons learned (if only in the pre­vi­ous bureau­cratic and fund­ing squab­bles) should take a look.

    Reply
  10. techmanmacho says:
    August 15, 2007 at 9:36 am

    Here is some­thing even more basic to con­sider: For strike mis­sions why are we even con­sid­er­ing air­craft, robotic or oth­er­wise, when a more sophis­ti­cated ver­sion of the Tomahawk will do the job just as good.
    The idea of using unmanned air­craft has the “cool” fac­tor, but why stop there? Take it to the next level and develop com­pletely autonomous vehi­cles that can deliver pay­loads to tar­gets and then “expire”? You can effec­tively dou­ble the range of your weapon and not have to worry about what it will to do to your flight deck or per­son­nel if it decides to skip across the wires.
    Sure it is not as sim­plis­tic as that, there are mis­sion vari­ables to think about, but con­sid­er­ing the fact that we still have to bring­ing an air­craft back home doesn’t really solve the prob­lem of lim­ited force pro­jec­tion and the pilot’s rela­tion­ship to the air­craft. UCAVs would improve that but why not take it to the next level?
    Use unmanned, fire and for­get missles that can be built to carry var­i­ous pay­loads. I think the Army is exper­i­ment­ing (or maybe even using) THAD right now to do that. Why not use it for all appli­ca­tions?
    It makes me won­der what the real rea­son was for the can­cel­la­tion of the Arsenal ship pro­gram? Because it would have made con­ven­tional car­ri­ers obso­lete.
    The Navy does use aer­ial tankers. Currently Hornets out­fit­ted with extra tanks and refu­el­ing probes are sent on sta­tion to refuel other Hornets. I believe Vikings and Greyhounds are capa­ble of that as well but I am not sure. currently

    Reply
  11. ramjet75 says:
    August 31, 2007 at 8:34 am

    Someone men­tioned mak­ing the drone a throw away deleivery mech­a­nism so we don’t have to worry about it skip­ping a wire or two on the flight deck and killing some­one. I like that idea but let’s take it a step fur­ther, Let’s make it a ver­ti­cal take off and land­ing vechi­cle where we would save gas and lives. Plus if this was a throw-​​away, what price would the American tax­payer pay for a desposi­ble air­craft? 26 mil­lion ver­sus 50 mil­lion? I’d like some resuse out of it. And if we did make it a throw away, have it do a kamikaze into an enemy base?

    Reply
  12. ryan says:
    October 16, 2007 at 9:12 am

    this plane is awsome

    Reply
  13. padmassun says:
    April 25, 2008 at 3:41 am

    send me a book of robotics

    Reply
  14. joseph mercieca says:
    May 31, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I am a layman,and par­don my igno­rance, but can a robot air­craft abort or delay a mis­sion when some­thing below is not right and robot cam­eras or sen­sors can­not “rea­son” it out or radio back to base telling some­body about it?

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