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Home » Armor » Humvees Trying to Take MRAP Thunder

Humvees Trying to Take MRAP Thunder

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On a recent trip to AM General’s main research plant in Livonia, Mich., I found out that the man­u­fac­turer of the military’s pri­mary util­ity vehi­cle has begun research on an armor kit intended to pro­tect troops against the most deadly road­side bomb threat in Iraq.

AM General, which makes the High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle — more pop­u­larly known as the “Humvee” — is help­ing the Army develop a new “Frag Kit 6″ armor pack­age for some of its Iraq-​​bound vehi­cles to defeat spe­cial­ized explo­sively formed pro­jec­tile muni­tions that can pierce cur­rent Humvee armor.

The Frag Kit 6 is stronger than the recently-​​fielded Frag Kit 5, which was pri­mar­ily designed to pro­tect Humvee crews from road­side bombs that det­o­nate under the vehi­cle or ones with force enough to split an armored troop car­rier in two.

The move comes as the Army and Marine Corps work fever­ishly to field Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehi­cles, or MRAPs, man­u­fac­tur­ers say are designed to with­stand EFP bombs. The curved hulls, mas­sive wheels and thick armor of MRAPs help deflect the molten metal pro­jec­tile of an EFP that cur­rent Humvees can’t withstand.

The Frag Kit 6 armor uses var­i­ous metal com­bi­na­tions and spac­ing to absorb the bal­lis­tic impact of an EFP with­out pen­e­trat­ing the crew cabin. It will be placed over the armor plat­ing of an M1151 Humvee, the most pro­tec­tive Humvee design fielded in combat.

But com­pany offi­cials admit the Army Research Lab-​​designed pack­age isn’t a per­fect solution.

“It’s a sig­nif­i­cant weight increase on the truck — about 1,000 pounds — and it adds about 12 inches each side of the truck of the entire width,” said Larry Day, pro­gram exec­u­tive with AM General Defense.

The doors are so heavy, troops may need a mechan­i­cal assist device to open and close them and dri­vers will likely require built-​​in visual ref­er­ences so they’ll know if they can fit the vehi­cle in nar­row spaces.

Though Day said there is no cur­rent order for a Frag Kit 6-​​configured Humvee, his com­pany is hedg­ing its bets in case the call comes for the newer armor.

“We have not been given the go-​​ahead to put them into pro­duc­tion or even final­ize the design,” Day said. “But it’s our respon­si­bil­ity inte­grate them onto our doors, so it would be bet­ter for us to do it.”

AM General is plan­ning to out­fit about 3,000 M1151 Humvees with the Frag Kit 6 doors if the Army decides that’s the way to go.

Despite con­tin­ued armor upgrades to the ven­er­a­ble Humvee — which traces its devel­op­men­tal lin­eage to the early 1980s — com­pany offi­cials are scram­bling to meet the evolv­ing impro­vised explo­sive device threat in Iraq that always seems to be one step ahead of Humvee designs.

With the cur­rent pop­u­lar­ity of the MRAP — which sup­port­ers claim boasts a record of no U.S. troops killed inside its heavily-​​armored cabin — AM General is hold­ing to the idea that the Humvee will still play a major role in a post-​​Iraq U.S. mil­i­tary force.

The com­pany is crank­ing out standard-​​armored Humvees in its South Bend, Ind., plant at a rate of about 80 per day, but has the capac­ity to ramp up that num­ber significantly.

And AM General engi­neers are fine tun­ing a new Humvee design to bridge the gap between the cur­rent vehi­cle and any future Humvee replace­ment, such as the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle.

The so-​​called “Evolutionary Concept Vehicle II” looks sim­i­lar to the Humvee, but fea­tures a hydraulic sus­pen­sion that can raise and lower the truck, pulling it fur­ther away from an IED blast and allow­ing the 83-​​inch high vehi­cle to fit in the same spaces as the 76-​​inch tall Humvee.

The ECV II’s increased height helps pro­vide a roomier crew cabin — with­out mak­ing the vehi­cle any wider — and it will sport a more pow­er­ful engine and con­fig­urable armor for spe­cific missions.

“We’ve got a truck that sub­jec­tively, when you’ve got it loaded, feels faster than the cur­rent Humvee loaded, but it’s 33 per­cent heav­ier,” said John Smreker, AM General’s exec­u­tive direc­tor for engineering.

“This was sort of the result of a whole bunch of dif­fer­ent lit­tle pro­grams we had over the last five or six years and we kind of [brought] together all the things that we learned,” he added.

AM General plans to deliver ECV II test vehi­cles to the Army in November, with a tar­get date for a full-​​scale pro­duc­tion con­tract in 2009.

– Christian

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  1. Max says:
    August 17, 2007 at 7:56 am

    Cue politi­cian ask­ing why sol­diers don’t have “Frag Kit 7″ in three, two, one.….……

    Reply
  2. Hoax Meister says:
    August 17, 2007 at 7:57 am

    Lipstick on a pig. Nice try AM General..had a good run, but the party’s over.

    Reply
  3. Dennis says:
    August 17, 2007 at 8:35 am

    Let

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  4. Trent Telenko says:
    August 17, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    Christian,
    MRAPs in gen­eral have the fol­low­ing that the armored Humvee does not:
    1) Vee shaped hull with higher wheel base between hull and ground to let explo­sive energy escape
    2) Better armor pack­age
    3) More inter­nal room.
    4) Much bet­ter air con­di­tion­ing
    The first fac­tor makes it highly resis­tant to blast type land mine and IED attacks. A typ­i­cal MRAP can take a hit by pair stacked 17 lb anti-​​tank mines and keep the crew unin­jured.
    MRAPs tend to be less mobile than Humvees. All of MRAPs are much larger than a Humvee and will not fit in nar­row streets or turn as sharply as a Humvee. They all eat more fuel. They all cost more to oper­ate.
    I have dealt with three MRAPs pro­fes­sion­ally: the Force Protection Cougar, the TVSLP Caiman and the failed Textron Armored Security Vehicle (ASV M1117) vari­ant. The ASV was an armored vehi­cle and it failed the MRAP com­pe­ti­tion on cost and pro­duc­tion sched­ule grounds.
    The Cougar and Caiman are two ends of the South African armored anti-​​mine truck tech­nol­ogy tree.
    The Cougar pro­tects both the crew and the drive train and weighs over 20 tons. It can­not go where a Humvee can go off road or on the same slopes, despite its low pres­sure tire CTIS sys­tem.
    The Caiman is based on the 5-​​ton FMTV chas­sis and strictly pro­tects the crew. It is more vul­ner­a­ble to mobil­ity kills than the Cougar but is lighter. It has the full slope mobil­ity per­for­mance of a loaded FMTV. I refer to it as the

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  5. Cybrludite says:
    August 18, 2007 at 1:45 am

    Dennis,
    Care to imag­ine the sccream­ing if we rushed a MRAV into ser­vice at great cost only to find it didn’t pre­form as adver­tized? For that mat­ter, did you notice that the new, big­ger vehi­cles phys­i­cally can’t fit into or travel across some of the places the Humvee CAN go? Given a choice, would you rather be on foot from the point where the streets are too nar­row or the ground too soft for the MRAV, or would you rather take a less well armored Humvee?

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  6. murc says:
    August 19, 2007 at 2:41 am

    cant blame AM General.…their just try­ing to keep the hum­mer alive. But surely the Army knows how much bet­ter the MRAPS are VS the Humvees.
    To: The Army & Marines.….stick with the Cougar & buf­falo MRAPS.

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  7. DW says:
    August 19, 2007 at 6:43 am

    Well, isn’t that “Special” makes me all warm n fuzzy. And Im curi­ous? These are “the pro’s?“
    What they did not take into con­sid­er­a­tion (ie-​​always good to “study the prob­lem thor­oughly before cre­at­ing a solu­tion to it.“
    Soooo, this “spe­cial armor” will stop and EFP? Cool! Except all per­son­nel within the vehi­cle will be dead from over­pres­sure injuries due to the fluid dynam­ics of the “event”, ie, the blast “wave” will pass through and exit out of the oppo­site side of the warfighter before it has tip to equal­ize the high then low pres­sure in the longs, intestines, ears (any air pocket in the body), thusly sav­ing them from a pro­jec­tile, but there still dead from the blast wave pro­poga­tion.
    Best, DW

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  8. Dennis says:
    August 19, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    Greetings Cybrludite,
    I am not against hav­ing a stan­dard vehi­cle that has many vari­a­tions to meet dif­fer­ent roles. I under­stand why the mil­i­tary has gone down the Humvee road.
    That is not my crit­i­cism.
    My crit­i­cism is that the army has not been as respon­sive as they could have been. And, even though we have a very edu­cated com­mand struc­ture, they have failed to see how this was going to go; and respond appro­pri­ately.
    In Vietnam they plated the sides of the duce and a half’s because they were get­ting ambushed. I just fin­ished read­ing “The Long Road home” which is about the first seri­ous fight we had in Sadr City, try­ing to res­cue a pinned down pla­toon.
    What did they use to go into the city? Canvas topped Humvees and an LMTV trucks with no pro­tec­tion (This was in 2004 before almost all the Humvees were up armored). They had about an 80% casu­alty rate in the back of those trucks (Cindy Sheehan

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  9. Mario Eufemio says:
    February 9, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Why not incor­po­rate a mine detec­tor capa­bil­ity to a humvee. the tech­nol­ogy is there.Let us say about a hun­dred feet radius is enough to warn the crews of an explo­sive device planted on their way while trav­el­ling. I know it is pos­si­ble. Its dif­fi­cult to manuever an over­weight armoured vehi­cle in a city style or desert war­fare. After all, it takes more or less 20 years to have a good soldier.But maybe ONLY a few years to develop such a technology.

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  19. Jim Ray says:
    March 18, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Trying to achieve what has not yet been accom­plished is the soul of amer­i­can ing­i­nu­ity. It’s just a shame that dur­ing peace time the urgency to achieve the devel­op­ment of armor that actu­ally works is not pur­sued as hard as that is now placed on the lives of our brave troops that die daily in the rash acts of num­bers and media pur­sa­sion to accept what a one time was unac­cept­able and has to be proven at the expense of our friends and rel­a­tives that make the ulti­mate sac­ri­fice to field test an unwor­thy prod­uct. That’s why I do what I do. Your expe­ri­ence and feed­back could be the insight we need to achieve the ulti­mate break through. 1 life lost is unac­cept­able. 100% threat defeat is our goal. http://​www​.aquade​fensetech​nolo​gies​.com

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