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Home » Guns » Return of the “Elephant Gun”

Return of the “Elephant Gun”

I was intro­duced to big bore anti-​​tank (anti-​​material) rifles back in the 80s when I became an ardent fol­lower of the board game Advanced Squad Leader (ASL was orig­i­nally pro­duced by the Avalon Hill Game Company, which was pur­chased by Hasbro, who dis­con­tin­ued pro­duc­tion of the game. ASL is now pub­lished by MLB pitcher Curt Schilling and his Multi-​​Man Publishing com­pany.) For those of you unfa­mil­iar with the game, ASL was arguably the most accu­rate and detailed squad level tac­ti­cal board game ever devel­oped, with coun­ters rep­re­sent­ing indi­vid­ual squads, lead­ers, tanks and sup­port weapons.
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Anyway, the one sup­port weapon that caught my eye was the L-​​39 Lahti 20mm AT rifle. In game terms the Lahti was heavy (5 portage points) and it fired off of the AVF kill table under the 20L col­umn (the only squad portable weapon capa­ble of doing so.) In real life terms the L-​​39 was heavy, (109 pounds, nec­es­sa­tat­ing its trans­port by rein­deer) and pos­sessed such sav­age recoil (its car­tridge, the 20 mm x 138 mm Solothurn Long, was the largest ever fired by a shoul­der fired weapon in the war) that the Finns dubbed it the “Norsupyssy” (“Elephant Gun”), but it was also capa­ble of reach­ing out 1,000m and pen­e­trat­ing 10mm of armor plate. Rendered obso­lete by advanced Soviet tank designs by 1941, the incre­di­a­ble accu­racy of the L-​​39 enabled it to remain in ser­vice as a long range sniper rifle.

Seventy years later, the con­cept of the long range, big bore, anti-​​material rifle has come full cir­cle. With .50 cal­iber (12.7mm) rifles a dime a dozen, my ques­tion now is, who fields the new Elephant Gun of the 21st century?

In terms of pen­e­trat­ing capa­bil­ity, the Big Stick des­ig­na­tion would seem to go to the Austrian Styer IWS 2000. Firing a pro­pri­atary 15.2mm APFSDS (Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) mini tank round, the armor pierc­ing dart will pen­e­trate 40mm of test armor at 1,000m. Unfortunatly, the 40-​​pound IWS 2000 has yet to enter ser­vice with any mil­i­tary (its unique ammu­ni­tion is a logis­ti­cal turn-​​off to most nations.)

As for absolute cal­iber, the biggest rifle out there is the Barret XM-​​109 25mm pay­load rifle. Firing a low-​​velosity, scaled down ver­sion of the 30mm M789 HEDP (High Explosive Dual Purpose) ammu­ni­tion used by the AH-​​64 Apache attack heli­copter, the XM-​​109 is capa­ble of pen­e­trat­ing just under 40mm of armor, and, when used with the Barrett Optical Ranging System (BORS) has an effec­tive range of 2,500m. Yet, like the IWS 2000, the 33-​​pound XM-​​109 is still in a devel­op­men­tal sta­tus (cur­rently the felt recoil of the XM-​​109 is out­side max­i­mum Army tolerances.)

But, if youre look­ing for some­thing you can take home tonight, the gun for you is the Croatian RT20 20mm rifle. Developed to shoot the ther­mal sights off of Serbian M-​​84 (T-​​72) tanks, the RT20 fires the 20x110mm Hispano-​​Suiza HS 404 car­tridge which can trace its roots back to the 1930s. Marketed as a 20mm hand can­non, the RT20 fires the largest 20mm car­tridge of any cur­rently avail­able anti-​​materiel rifle (most other 20mm rifles are cham­bered for the Russian 20x99mm R ShVAK round or the German 20x82mm WWII-​​era MG151 pro­jec­tile.) To com­pen­sate for the rounds enor­mous kick, the 42-​​pound single-​​shot RT20 is equipped with a unique gas-​​operated recoil com­pen­sat­ing blast tube. Operating along the same prin­ci­ples as a recoil­less weapon sys­tem, this blast tube redi­rects pro­pel­lant gasses to the rear of the firer, to reduce felt recoil. Unfortunately, this recoil method also presents a blast haz­ard for indi­vid­u­als behind the weapon, so care must be taken when fir­ing the RT20 in enclosed spaces.

Of course, the hard part is going to be find­ing rein­deer to pull it…

– Eric Daniel

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  1. esmoore5 says:
    August 29, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    This “gun”, which can be car­ried by 3 peo­ple, is
    really a laser:
    http://​blog​.wired​.com/​d​e​f​e​n​s​e​/​2​0​0​7​/​0​8​/​t​a​c​t​i​c​a​l​-​l​a​s​e​r​-​.​h​tml
    Too bad the Time mag­a­zine arti­cle that men­tions it
    is from 1972. So the project prob­a­bly never made
    it past the con­cept phase.
    I’m sure the guys in the field could have found
    some inter­est­ing uses for a weapon like that.

    Reply
  2. Nicholas Weaver says:
    August 29, 2007 at 1:53 pm

    Whats wrong with just putting .50 cal­iber SLAP ammu­ni­tion in your .50 cal­iber rifle?
    http://​www​.fas​.org/​m​a​n​/​d​o​d​-​1​0​1​/​s​y​s​/​l​a​n​d​/​s​l​a​p​.​htm
    30mm of armor at 500m
    20mm of armor at 1200m
    Not quite the pen­e­trat­ing power of the Aussie can­non, but not quite so heavy either

    Reply
  3. Logan Hartke says:
    August 29, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    Yeah, I just love it when peo­ple with­out the his­tor­i­cal back­ground knowl­edge start talk­ing about scoped anti-​​material rifles as if they’re some mod­ern and rev­o­lu­tion­ary con­cept. I’m glad to see that at least this author appre­ci­ates the his­tor­i­cal roots of the con­cept.
    http://​img161​.image​shack​.us/​i​m​g​1​6​1​/​6​2​7​2​/​s​o​l​o​7​k​w​.​jpg
    Yeah, real novel…

    Reply
  4. Paul Greene says:
    August 29, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    Anzio Ironworks cur­rently sells two dif­fer­ent 20mm rifles.
    A sin­gle shot take-​​down rifle:
    http://​www​.anzioiron​works​.com/​2​0​M​M​-​T​A​K​E​-​D​O​W​N​-​R​I​F​L​E​.​htm
    And a mag­a­zine fed model:
    http://​www​.anzioiron​works​.com/​M​A​G​-​F​E​D​-​2​0​M​M​-​R​I​F​L​E​.​htm

    Reply
  5. Herman Hill says:
    August 29, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    Sheeeesh! Just how big do we have to go to be effec­tive? I’m still sold on the capac­i­ties of the Barrett! that’s the size that keeps field units “mobile” Anybody remem­ber the word? M-​​O-​​B-​​I-​​L-​​E!

    Reply
  6. Mastro says:
    August 29, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Its a shame that any­thing over .50″ is counted as a “Destructive Device” and needs a Federal license.
    Didn’t CA make even .50″ rifles ille­gal? As if gang­bangers were using them–

    Reply
  7. Joe says:
    August 29, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    I remem­ber see­ing some 23mm+ South African Anti-​​Material Rifle in Jane’s Infantry Weapons. Boom.

    Reply
  8. Nathan Wallace says:
    August 29, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    If any­one read­ing here (includ­ing the author) checks the playtesters list for ASL first edi­tion, they’ll find my name as MVP, “most valu­able playtester”. Don Greenwood, David Quigley and myself damn near rewrote that game for over two years of intense playtest­ing before it was released. But damn if it wasn’t worth it! Glad MultiMan is keep­ing it alive, I under­stand they actu­ally have a new mod­ule out!

    Reply
  9. Eric Daniel says:
    August 29, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Greenwood.… as in Lt. Greenwood, the American 9–1 leader? I salute you and your col­leagues for your efforts to make ASL pos­si­ble.
    Cheers!

    Reply
  10. Elijah says:
    August 29, 2007 at 7:57 pm

    How could you for­get to include the Mechem NTW-​​20 out?

    Reply
  11. soongr says:
    August 29, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    if i remem­ber cor­rectly, the hun­gar­i­ans got a rifle that shoots 14.5mm rounds, the old Russian anti-​​tank rifle rounds of wwII, except it’s smaller.
    http://​www​.geoc​i​ties​.com/​l​a​n​d​o​f​s​n​i​p​e​r​s​/​w​e​a​p​o​n​s​/​g​e​p​a​r​d​E​N​G​.​htm

    Reply
  12. Paul Grove says:
    August 30, 2007 at 12:29 am

    I’m biased. Proudly South African.
    The NTW-​​20 is arguably the best ele­phant gun out there. Ease of use, low recoil (Like fir­ing a R1) and and sheer stop­ping power. Designed for set­tling long-​​range dis­putes in SA’s big flat plains, it would blow Rudolph’s nose off before Santa even knows you’re there. And I once heard a rumor by a army buddy that some­one had once used it as a Elephant gun.

    Reply
  13. Taneli Taira says:
    August 30, 2007 at 12:46 am

    Umm… I’m Finnish and inter­ested in war his­tory, espe­cially the Winter War and Continuation War (the wars Finland fought against the Soviets dur­ing WWII), so I’m fairly cer­tain in say­ing this: we used horses to pull and carry most every­thing that needed pulling and car­ry­ing beyond the capac­ity of humans dur­ing the WWII. Horses, not reindeer.

    Reply
  14. Rusty says:
    August 30, 2007 at 1:06 am

    The Brits and the USMC user the boys anti tank rifle in 50cal (I think,not the BMG round) and the Finnish army used it. Ref; Time Life books his­tory of WW-​​II vol#1. Hope this helps

    Reply
  15. kelly Hill says:
    August 30, 2007 at 9:55 am

    Too bad for Americans: bores over .50 inches require Fed licences which at that level. are almost inpos­si­ble for an indi­vid­ual to obtain as greater that .50 puts you in the class of Destructive Devices, ie mod­ern can­nons, rocket launch­ers, tanks, ect.

    Reply
  16. Cranky Observer says:
    August 30, 2007 at 10:10 am

    There used to be a mil­i­tary sur­plus store in down­town Hammond, Indiana that had one of these (ren­dered non-​​working) in dis­play in the front win­dow. How it got there would be an inter­est­ing story no doubt.
    Cranky

    Reply
  17. Dr. Emil Dansker says:
    August 30, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    I’m a for­mer active duty USMCR sergeant com­bat cor­re­spon­dent with a spe­cial inter­est in mil­i­tary his­tory. Didn’t the British and the Canadians have a sim­i­lar rifle dur­ing WWI — an ungainly look­ing thing — and the British in France at least before and dur­ing the Dunkirk evac­u­a­tion dur­ing WWII?

    Reply
  18. Byron Skinner says:
    August 30, 2007 at 12:50 pm

    Good Morning Folks,
    I know most of you are way to young to remem­ber this but about 50 years ago any­body could buy one of these in fir­ing con­di­tion mail order in the United States. They were sold as the best way to rid your­self of jackrab­bits.
    I remem­ber one of the guys in the neigh­bor­hood bought one and the kids some­times were allowed to play Army with it. It was heavy.
    The sale of this weapon was a reqular sta­ble in the pulp mens mag­a­zines of the era. The lit­er­a­try mas­ter­pieces usu­all had a slick cover and the inside pages were newsprint. They had names like “True Men’s Adventure”, “Men of Action”, “Men’s Digest” etc. often many often had a scanty clad (for the 50’s, today it would be called teenage street and school wear) cen­ter­fold and the gerne usu­ally sold for $.25. The bread and but­ter sto­ries were WWII adven­ture, often hav­ing some­thing to do with Nazis. A lot of POW escape sto­ries if I remem­ber. They were great.
    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

    Reply
  19. Bob Slaney says:
    August 30, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    The Boys bolt oper­ated rifle was used in the
    early part of WWII by the Brits. Fell out of
    use quickly as it would not dis­able any Kraut
    tank then. Understand the Marine Raiders had
    a few issued to them. Story is they were used
    on the early raid on Maken( ) in the Pacific.
    It was a .55 cal round.

    Reply
  20. Bob R. says:
    August 30, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    Several years ago I saw one of this fired at the Spring Class III shoot at the Albany Rifle & Pistol Club, Albany, Oregon. (Oregon is a GREAT state for class III own­er­ship).. The Albany Spring Shoot is always a big event. I highly rec­om­mend it. Anyway, it was great to see this item fired. As I remem­ber, it had a hand crank to retract the bolt. Contrary to pop­u­lar belief, getting/​buying a “papered” legal machine­gun or destruc­tive devise is not that dif­fi­cult. Legal machine­guns are the best invest­ment item any­one can pur­chase. They have appre­ci­ated tremen­dously in the last 20 years.

    Reply
  21. SteveD says:
    August 30, 2007 at 5:02 pm

    Patton Museum at Ft Knox has a 20mm Russian Gun on Display.
    SFD

    Reply
  22. Bill Nelson says:
    August 31, 2007 at 6:00 am

    I had recently seen a Sniper Rifle that was recently devel­oped that sur­pases most sniper rifles to date. The rifle is the XM109 Anti-​​Material Payload Rifle by Barrett Firearms MFG and Unertl. The XM109 is a mod­i­fi­ca­tion of the M107 .50 cal Sniper Rifle and fires 25MM AP of the same type as the XM307, as shown on this Global Security web­site http://​www​.glob​alse​cu​rity​.org/​m​i​l​i​t​a​r​y​/​s​y​s​t​e​m​s​/​g​r​o​u​n​d​/​m​1​0​9​-​a​m​p​r​.​htm.
    I don’t know which is more impres­sive, that this can fire 25mm or that it weighs only 33 lbs. I don’t know if this is fielded yet, it may be too much of an overkill for most com­bat seen today since most enemy com­bat­ants aren’t using light armor vehi­cles. It maybe use­ful if it can fire air­burst rounds. It was men­tioned is this web­site that non­lethal rub­ber pro­jec­tiles could be used for riot and crowd con­trol but I can’t even imag­ine what it would take to reduce the force of a 25mm round to just hurt a per­son and not cut him/​her in half. Unless Nerf can make that bul­let. Or make an air­burst round filled with small paint balls for a small crowd. But eben that would be a chal­lenge and maybe an overkill for this weapon.

    Reply
  23. Bob Hawkins says:
    September 5, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    At what point does it become sim­pler to mount a zip gun on a small UAV?

    Reply
  24. jpsIII says:
    September 5, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    A good friend and I wisely invested $125 in this fine instru­ment in 1965 or so; we should have wisely invested in more APT (hard­ened steel pro­jec­tile with cop­per dri­ving band) ammo at $1 rd., but they didn’t pay grad stu­dents much back then. Registered prop­erly in 1968, the Lahti has not fired a shot in anger or in plea­sure for many years and appears quite happy being a mere, much admired, object of art.

    Reply
  25. jpsIII says:
    September 5, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    A good friend and I wisely invested $125 in this fine instru­ment in 1965 or so; we should have wisely invested in more APT (hard­ened steel pro­jec­tile with cop­per dri­ving band) ammo at $1 rd., but they didn’t pay grad stu­dents much back then. Registered prop­erly in 1968, the Lahti has not fired a shot in anger or in plea­sure for many years and appears quite happy being a mere, much admired, object of art.

    Reply
  26. Eric Daniel says:
    September 7, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    Some addi­tional thoughts

    Reply
  27. stephen russell says:
    December 30, 2007 at 6:18 pm

    Ill take one, Great for:
    Shooting sharks ( IE Jaws) IF boat sta­ble & shark in range.
    US Mex Border
    Next Rambo movie
    007 use?
    SWAT use.
    USFS use.
    Secret Service use.
    Now add armor pierc­ing rounds.
    Bye bye Target.

    Reply

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