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Home » Uncategorized » UAVs (Follow Up)

UAVs (Follow Up)

Update: Reader Frank points out that JUCAS was can­celed early last year (cov­ered in Defense Tech here), and the Northrup-​​Grumman demon­stra­tor is part of the N-​​UCAS pro­gram, which rose from the demise of JUCAS. An Air Force lead as the exec­u­tive agent for UCAV pro­grams would have still had cog­nizance over any Navy pro­gram (includ­ing the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance pro­gram (BAMS), so the main thrust of the post remains. Thanks, Frank.
Christian’s post of yes­ter­day talk­ing about how the Air Force has lost its grasp on being the exec­u­tive agent for all unmanned aer­ial X_47B_UAV.jpgvehi­cles (medium– to high-​​flying UAVs and tac­ti­cal mobil­ity respon­si­bil­i­ties) is really the tip of a huge ice­berg regard­ing unmanned capa­bil­i­ties.
The crux of this sit­u­a­tion revolves around Congress, who man­dated in the 2001 National Defense Authorization Act, that “by 2010, one-​​third of the air­craft in the oper­a­tional deep strike force air­craft fleet are unmanned.“
“Deep-​​strike” is one of the most impor­tant aspects of any air cam­paign, for obvi­ous rea­sons. For the Air Force, this isn’t much of a prob­lem with their ground sup­port infra­struc­ture built around a two and a half mile-​​long or longer run­way (assum­ing they have bas­ing rights rel­a­tively close to an area of oper­a­tions). For the Navy, how­ever, this man­date presents sig­nif­i­cant tech­ni­cal and logis­ti­cal prob­lems — tak­ing off and land­ing back on an air­craft car­rier is not the eas­i­est thing to do, and doing it with an unmanned 20,000 lb jet would strike fear into even the hardi­est flight deck per­son­nel.
DARPA’s Joint Unmanned Combat Air System (JUCAS), a demon­stra­tor pro­gram which, for the Air Force AND Navy, is to demon­strate the tech­ni­cal fea­si­bil­ity, mil­i­tary util­ity and oper­a­tional value for a net­worked sys­tem of high per­for­mance, weaponized unmanned air vehi­cles, talks about a plat­form with a radius of 1300 nm, a per­sis­tence capa­bil­ity of 1000 nm with 2 hrs loi­ter time and a pay­load of 4500 lb. Northrop-​​Grumman was recently awarded the con­tract for this demon­stra­tor, the X-​​47B. This is no Predator-​​sized aer­ial vehi­cle. Having one hic­cup in the data stream of flight data con­trol­ling the thing when it is at the ramp is not a good thing.
Yesterday’s post spoke of Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England halt­ing the “U.S. Air Force’s con­tro­ver­sial push to take over man­age­ment of the Pentagon’s grow­ing Unmanned Air System (UAS) fleet.” To the Navy (and the Army to some extent since they, too, were grumpy about the AF cor­ner­ing the mar­ket on UCAV man­age­ment) this was sweet music. With so many rice bowls around and com­pe­ti­tions to see who has the biggest blad­der, and with the tech­ni­cal chal­lenges that the Navy has in carrier-​​izing a UCAV, tak­ing another look at this whole man­dated capa­bil­ity is a good thing.
–Pinch Paisley

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  1. JUCAS Architect says:
    September 18, 2007 at 6:45 am

    This arti­cle is FUD. First and fore­most, “hic­cups in the data stream” don’t hap­pen with an autonomous vehi­cle. The X-​​45 and X-​​47 vehi­cles aren’t dumb fly-​​by-​​wire sys­tems like Predator or GlobalHawk. They are com­pletely autonomous vehi­cles that are in con­trol of their entire flight regime from take-​​off to land­ing and require no human input or inter­ac­tion to com­plete their mis­sions. Second, the abil­ity to auto-​​land on a car­rier has existed for decades. That it isn’t used or widely known is a tes­ta­ment to the machismo of Naval avi­a­tors and not an indict­ment of autonomous land­ing tech­nol­ogy. Anyone espous­ing fear of this tech­nol­ogy is express­ing a pro­found igno­rance of the tech­ni­cal realities.

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  2. cynicism says:
    September 18, 2007 at 7:56 am

    There is absolutely no chance of a bug or an AI “glitch”. Zero. And any­way, if it hits the wrong tar­get, this is Iraq we’re talk­ing about.. What’s the big deal?

    Reply
  3. Rip says:
    September 18, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Looking at the big pic­ture, it appears the USAF made a deci­sion to with­draw from the UCAV track for pub­licly vague rea­sons. Some believe it was a vic­tory for the “fighter mafia” insur­ing much less like­li­hood of com­pe­ti­tion for the F-​​22 and even­tu­ally, the F-​​35. The hard fighter jocks look at the 2001 NDAA and say, “F’em — they’re just a bunch of politi­cians…“
    They (USAF) are still advanc­ing the ISR UAV (Preaditor/​Reaper, Global Hawk, and per­haps some black pro­grams); how­ever, the increas­ing suc­cess of the armed MQ-​​1/​MQ-​​9 is an embar­rass­ing real­ity they would like to go away. (It will not!)
    Meanwhile, the recently floated USN stud­ies make a very com­pelling case for the CAG UCAV to insure the carrier’s rel­e­vance in at least the first half of this cen­tury.
    The next key strate­gic event will be if the USAF pro­poses as part of the Global Strike System (i.e., the B-​​3), to include an unmanned MQB-​​3 vari­ant. If they don’t elect this option, and have noth­ing under the black kimono, then they are ced­ing the tech­nol­ogy and lead to the USN for years to come.
    The “man over­see­ing the loop” is the future in the DoD, it’s sad to see the USAF, who toots the image of being in tune with the future, fight­ing a bat­tle based on tac­ti­cal retrograde.

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  4. demophilus says:
    September 18, 2007 at 4:38 pm

    Rip:
    Maybe USAF’s fig­ur­ing that if the USN/​carrier sys­tem works, they can dump the arrest­ing gear, lighten the land­ing gear, and get a more capa­ble dual mode sys­tem. Or maybe that’s just a taxpayer’s fan­tasy.
    J.A.:
    No offense, but it wasn’t so long ago that the F-22’s com­puter sys­tems crashed on their deploy­ment to Okinawa. The meat pup­pets had to fly them back to Hawaii.
    A lot of us don’t trust our com­put­ers. They crash, some­times for no rea­son. Especially, if we’re run­ning Microsoft apps.
    Redundant, highly tested sys­tems are a beau­ti­ful thing, but some­times they’re only as fool­proof as their assump­tions. Catastrophe the­ory and uncer­tainty are the ene­mies of any­thing highly engi­neered, and they’re hard (if not impos­si­ble) to beat. You can test some­thing until Doomsday, and all you’ll find is what you tested for. Some glitches only hap­pen later. When they do, they can be spectacular.

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  5. Trent Telenko says:
    September 18, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    I think this pas­sage from a August 20, 2007 Financial Times arti­cle titled “US Military In Dogfight Over Drones” cov­ers the UAV issue from the US Army point of view.
    >

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  6. Robophilus says:
    September 19, 2007 at 7:15 am

    Demophilus, human pilots are not “fool­proof” either.
    A lot of us don’t trust human pilots. They crash, some­times for no rea­son. In the past 100 years, humans have bro­ken a lot of air­planes try­ing to get them on and off air­craft car­ri­ers. Yet that doesn’t inval­i­date the “human pilot” con­cept — nor should (inevitable) acci­dents inval­i­date the robot pilot concept.

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  7. demophilus says:
    September 19, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    Agreed. Didn’t mean to sug­gest that a car­rier UCAS is invalid. Just don’t think it’ll go off with­out a hitch. That’s not how shit hap­pens.
    Don’t think we’ve seen the end of man in the loop either, and I don’t buy “no human input or inter­ac­tion to com­plete their mis­sions”. In war things don’t go accord­ing to plan. If Plan A is a machine, Plan B is hav­ing a human in the loop to reboot or trou­bleshoot it.
    That’s sim­ple redun­dancy. Didn’t mean to sug­gest any­thing more.

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