Comments on: AF Brass Bristle at Drone Decision

By: JC

JC — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:35:02 +0000

That

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:59:23 +0000

Ladies and Gentlemen:
I will start with a brief exploration of the operational deployment of UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles). Currently there are ten types of UAVs available and each of the services is operating at least two types. The operational characteristics of the various types range widely. For example, onboard sensors may be electro-optical, infrared, or live video. Control may be either remotely piloted or autonomous. Weighs range from under five pounds to 25,600 pounds and operational altitudes range from hundreds of feet to 67,000 feet. Some UAVs are stealth while others are vulnerable to enemy detection. At least two of the ten UAVs types can carry munitions and some carry jammers.
The use of UAVs over the last three years has grown at approximately 100% per year.
How did the DOD arrive at this point without a joint doctrine for UAVs? In the February 2006 issue of the Air Force magazine, Adam J. Hebert said;

By: tiperny

tiperny — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:35:04 +0000

Everyone out there needs to remember that we are all on the same team and that each team member has their own responsibility. Organization is the key to success and if everyone gets their hands into every aspect, we will have a mess. Being a pilot’s wife, I can tell you that many of the pilots would love to see the Army have to deal with the UAV’s (they would avoid getting pulled out of their aircraft to man them-not exactly a pilot’s dream!). We have friends and family members in all branches and the only debates we have are playful-we all appreciate each other. The ground troops do a lot of the work, however, the air troops are there to back them up in a crisis. Every single job is important so please cease the degrading and debate professionally.

By: david

david — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:16:33 +0000

I know let’s change their name to the Army Air Corps and.……
:)

By: Solomon

Solomon — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 01:36:16 +0000

22lr
No one is bashing the Air Force, the Air Force is bashing itself! To think that in a time of tight budgets that it would assert the need for more F-22s, a new Tanker, a new CSAR helicopter, a re-engined C-5, and control of all drones in operation and development, while simultaneously bashing the work that the US Army and Marine Corps are doing is simply criminal. If you’ve kept up with the statements coming from the Flag Officers in the Air Force then you’ll realize that joint operations are not considered a priority. This latest power grab for control of UAV’s is just the latest insult to the intelligence of the other services. The Air Force has a problem and Mosley sees it every time he looks in the mirror.
Shock and Awe??? That was a pipe dream from the 1920’s that states that air power alone can win wars. War with Iran???? I hope to GOD that it doesn’t happen but if it does rest assured that except for token appearances from B-2’s, the legacy force of Air Force aircraft will carry the burden (along with about 3 carriers that’ll be parked in the Gulf). So no service flag waving for the boys in blue. Sometimes its better just to shut up (speaking about Air Force Flag Officers), do your job and let the American public by way of its representatives decide what programs are essential for the nations security. These power grabs and public statements about all its doing to win the GWOT all by themselves should stop.

By: 22lr

22lr — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:10:55 +0000

With out bashing the Army I would say this. The Airforce still has a very vital role in natonal security. And it is vastly under size for what it should be. Personaly I think the Airforce’s role in the world is very vital, they just need more of just about everything. However some people see that the war right now is mostly ground, but in a big nation show down (like Iran) the airforce will be the only thing that could prevent mass murder of Americans in Iraq. Dont forget that even though we are not at a war with an enemy who even has aiplanes, that possibility is very very real, and an Army chopper aint going to cut it. Im sad to see the airforce taking a beating over the last number of years. But remember Shock and Awe wasnt done by the Navy, or the Army (at least the majority) B-52s did a lot of work and bashed a lot of heads for us.

By: Byron Skinner

Byron Skinner — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:23:54 +0000

Good Afternoon Folks,
Lets face it the Air Force is running out of things to do. The existing Minuteman III’s will be the last ICBM’s, bombers of all kinds in the active Air Force is down to less then 100, the carpet bombing in Afghanistan two weeks ago to get bin Laden by B-52’s killed a few goats and moved some rocks according to the 82nd. Airborne Division who did the post bombing sweep and the BDA on the strike. With the 100th F-22’s now delivered the active F-15 community is on it’s way out the door, as soon as an F-15 Squdn. returns from the war zones it’s redeployed into the National Guard. I can go on but I think the picture is clear to all.
In the next budget year (like next week) the Air Force is going to have to start RIFing 30-50K personal. None promotable O3’s, O4,O5 and O6’s are not sleeping to easy these nights. With an increase in demand from the airlines to replace pilots turing 60 there will be little incentive on the part of the active Air Force to keep these officers on active duty. When the F-35 come on line the same fate will happen to the F-16 drivers.
The idea of turning UCAV’s over to the Air Force will be strongly resisted by the Army. In the early 60’s when the Air Force too over all fixed wing tact air it was a desaster, the Army in not of a mind set to repete this error.
What’s left for the Air Force, Space maybe, working with the National Intelligence Diractive or CIA?
With an Admiral who is a veteran of Pentagon Budget wars becomming CJCS next week pay back will become the order of the day. Remember the JFK can be heard on many Admirals breath.
In two weeks the Navy will issue a paper defining it’s mission in the GWOT, the first since the 1980’s. They already are dicussing protecting sea lanes, long range airborne maritime reconnaisance with countries that share a mutural interest and with countries that have no direct interest but chose to be allies with the United States. This should make some depressing reading for the Air Force.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

By: Camp

Camp — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:38:32 +0000

They could just piss off everybody, and create a Drone version of the USSOCOM. :)

By: Solomon

Solomon — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:43:31 +0000

This latest dust-up and the comments made by senior Air Force leaders points to serious cultural problems in this service. Too many times the Air Force attempts to “go it alone”…England really needs to give these people some “wall to wall counseling”!

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:16:19 +0000

There are historical reasons for not allowing ground commanders operational control of aircraft. In WWII in North Africa, for instance, some Commanders refused to allow “their” aircraft to assist units more heavily engaged than theirs. In short, aircraft were not properly and efficiently utilized.
Today we have doctrinal divisions of responsibility. In a joint/combined environment (which is the case in virtually every major operation), divisions of control and responsibility are divided into “components.” So, under the overall Joint or Combined Commander there will be Commanders of each joint-force “component.” These components are: Land, Air, Maritime and Special Operations. Each Commander in each of these three areas has control over all assets — no matter the service — in their respective area. So the Joint Force Land Component Commander (JFLCC) will maintain OPCON of all land forces be they Army, Marines, etc. Same with the other components. So unless basic US/NATO doctrine is changed, dividing the Air Force among the other services will no do much.
Where things would change is in procurement and expertise. If the Air Force was broken up and divided between the Army and Navy, would those services be able and willing to maintain the expertise in aerial warfare developed over the years, and plan and fund the required system intelligently? Who knows.