Comments on: Frag Kit 6 to go on MRAPs

By: 1232

1232 — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:25:09 +0000

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By: Rhyno327/lrsd

Rhyno327/lrsd — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:49:30 +0000

Iam not all that familiar with the MRAP. If it can carry a couple of troops, have a weapon mounted on the roof, operated by the CROWS system, then it does serve a purpose. I would feel much safer in the MRAP with a minigun or a .50 up top, operated by a Soldier using CROWS.

By: Josh

Josh — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:22:17 +0000

So what is your solution, whiner?

By: Ted Kaye

Ted Kaye — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:50:13 +0000

Deaths are not way down just because of or so much because of Al Sadr standing down his army but also because of declines in Anbar province, which a year ago was the site of the majority of U.S. casualties. Today, a casualty in Anbar is relatively rare. Am I right?

By: Roy Smith

Roy Smith — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:19:32 +0000

I remember how the Israeli Merkava was considered invincible during their patrols in either Gaza or the West Bank.It could survive mines & IED’s making it the ultimate MRAP.However,the Palestinians buried what must have been the equivalent of the MOAB in the road & blew a Merkava up to kingdom come & killing the tank crew inside.Of course they had to use an enormously huge bomb(thus my MOAB comparison) to do it.One day,the insurgents in Iraq will find a way to blow up an MRAP,however,it will take a HUGE bomb to do it,just like in Israel & the Merkava.

By: Eizu

Eizu — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 01:08:30 +0000

Wouldn’t it be crazy if the Israelis were actually blowing up an EFP factory when they bombed Syria a few weeks ago? And then the roadside bomb attacks mysteriously dropped off?

By: BT

BT — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:15:00 +0000

I don’t think this is an issue. The first MRAPs were more like prototypes and early prodcution pilots. The MRAP is a spiral development, so all the current chasis are now built for easy upgrades and heavier armor packages, and more electronic gadgets.
EFPs are a small, but potentailly deadly percentage of IED’s. Obviously, as HE IEDs become less effective, the insurgents will switch to EFP/EFJ IEDs, if they can.
I do not think the US had any good EFP armor for wheeled vehicles until recentley. Now we have some good packages and can field them. This new armor has to defeat bullets, frags, and EFP, and maybe RPG, and still weigh 10–20 tons.
Of couse if Iraq becomes peaceful, you don’t need armor, and can go back to un-armored Hummers for Peacekeeping. Obviously in 4GW, brains are more effective than brawn. Since, until recently we had no brains in Iraq, we had to rely or our brawn.
The ‘rob for the future to pay the present’ argument is not valid. No one can predict the threats of the future, so whatever you buy will be wrong. Whatever vehicle is needed, it will need a V-hull and NIJ level 5 protection.

By: JMD

JMD — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:40:26 +0000

This is old news. MRAP’s big advantages are thicker armor and v-shaped hulls that deflect blasts from underneath. EFPs require different types of armor to deflect or diffuse the molten copper jet. There will always be the issue of of bigger EFPs and EFPs made from different metals. MRAPS though do limit our enemies’ options in a very significant way. To date I do not think that there has been a death in an MRAP due to enemy action. The question remains, how much are we willing to keep spending to protect an indeterminate number of our soldiers’ lives. MRAPS and their inevitable upgrades are very expensive, but I would say they are worth every red cent.

By: James

James — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:25:13 +0000

Dennis,
Care to imagine the sccreaming if we rushed a MRAV into service at great cost only to find it didn’t preform as advertized? For that matter, did you notice that the new, bigger vehicles physically can’t fit into or travel across some of the places the Humvee CAN go? Given a choice, would you rather be on foot from the point where the streets are too narrow or the ground too soft for the MRAV, or would you rather take a less well armored Humvee?
Posted by: Cybrludite at August 18, 2007 01:45 AM
lol omg you can see into the future!!!
no seriously you know mraps arnt supposed to replace all humvees but does congress know or care? no most of them have no idea about military matters? all the mraps was was a easy copout for democrates or republicans who were rabbid for something to show how pro yeay we like soldier yeay look over here how much i care.….but no congress went over bored promised the sky and failed to deliver but its not there fault.….
ok sorry sorry back to mraps i think in situations like the UN peacekeepers are always in its a great idea but what if we go into combat against a enemy who doesnt use ied or jesus what if we get into a fight in a city with tanks comming into play so as a troop transport great idea as long as its just as a insurgent/peace keeping role
but well need a replacement for humvee for scouting, etc…
oh yea and as for fixing up m113s as transports it mite have something to do with logistics tracks dont get as many miles can be prone to breakdowns more than wheeled vehicles and if you make a bigger demand in parts thats more supply convoys to shoot at
sorry if you disagree..oh well just my thoughs
lol i still think its funny congress still is liked less than bush lol

By: Roy Smith

Roy Smith — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:07:39 +0000

The BMPT is a good example.Also the Namera & the Achzarit.You also have modified M113s like the Nagman,Kasman,Improved Kasman,& now the Urban Fighter.We previously modified M113s to ACAV versions & sent them to Iraq,whatever happened to them?