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Home » Uncategorized » Two Seat Raptor?

Two Seat Raptor?

Charlie: Excuse me Lieutenant…is there some­thing wrong?
Maverick: Yes ma’am. The data on the MiG is innacu­rate.
Charlie: How’s that, Lieutenant?
Maverick: Well, I just hap­pened to see a MiG 28.…
Goose: WE.….we
Maverick: Sorry.…we…

A crit­i­cal look is being taken at what some in the mil­i­tary tac­ti­cal avi­a­tion field had long sus­pected — that being the prospect of a two-​​seat F-​​22 Raptor.
Now before any of you single-​​seat purists go off half-​​cocked, let me state flat out that as the Radar Intercept Officer son of a ded­i­cated single-​​seat 4,000-hour-plus A-​​4 Skyhawk-​​250-​​missions over Vietnam father, I’ve heard all those names for the “Guy In Back” — “The loss of 200 lbs of gas” comes to mind, with my per­sonal favorite being the Brit’s “Talking Ballast”.
But with the elec­tronic bat­tle­space of today, hav­ing two bod­ies — and two heads and two sets of eyes and two brains cou­pled with two mis­sion f22_raptor_l2.jpgcapa­bil­i­ties in that cock­pit makes a cer­tain amount of sense. Particularly in light of the poten­tial enemy air order of bat­tle that may be in store for us in the future along with an increas­ingly com­plex and chal­leng­ing air­space.
Aviation Week and Space Technology’s David Fulghum has the below arti­cle out in the 1 Oct issue that talks about the value of two-​​seat fight­ers. Opinions (and argu­ments) abound regard­ing the value of such a move but can we really dis­count the con­sid­er­a­tion of a Raptor-​​version of the F-​​15E Strike Eagle or even the now-​​retired F-​​14D Super Tomcat (Supersonic Attack — No Escort Required said the patch) in light of what that addi­tional capa­bil­ity brings to the warfighter’s table? What we don’t want, of course, is a step back­wards in this digital-​​cockpit age. Fulghum states in his arti­cle “Recent oper­a­tional expe­ri­ence with the F-​​22 pro­duced an aural envi­ron­ment, described by par­tic­i­pants as spooky, where air­crews sel­dom speak and move infor­ma­tion by data link, which is faster and more accu­rate than talk­ing.“
However, with the advent of advanced radars such as Raytheon’s APG-​​79 active elec­tron­i­cally scanned array radar, which is stan­dard equip­ment in the Block II ver­sions of the F/​A-​​18E/​F Super Hornet, hav­ing this “spooky” cock­pit envi­ron­ment of tac­ti­cal deci­sion mak­ing at the speed of thought could con­tinue. The APG-​​69 pro­vides the abil­ity to decou­ple the cock­pits so that the pilot can con­cen­trate on an air-​​to-​​air mis­sion while the rear-​​seat/​GIB/​WSO pros­e­cutes a ground attack, both using spe­cific ele­ments of the radar simul­ta­ne­ously.
In addi­tion to that capa­bil­ity, keep in mind the over­ar­ch­ing need to make our scarce defense dol­lars go as far as they can and the fact that a single-​​mission plat­form is a thing of the past speaks well for a multi-​​crew/​multi-​​mission 5th-​​generation plat­form that gives the Joint Commander a much more ver­sa­tile toolkit from which to con­duct air oper­a­tions.
Bottom line, though, when you dis­count the tac­ti­cal advan­tages of that sec­ond cock­pit, what would you rather have? 30 sec­onds of a burner wave-​​off or a reli­able drink­ing buddy who will stick with you all night?
Two-​​seat fight­ers take on mul­ti­ple mis­sions as bomb­ing and network-​​attack com­bine
David A. Fulghum, Washington
Cyber, Kinetic War Collide: New two-​​seat strike fight­ers and electronic-​​attack air­craft are quickly emerg­ing as a com­bat neces­sity.
That need her­alds the begin­ning of a rev­o­lu­tion for the mil­i­tary avi­a­tion that will likely see the end of large-​​platform bombers and intelligence-​​gathering air­craft.
Instead, mil­i­tary avi­a­tion will start look­ing like the Israeli Air Force, which aban­doned bombers for fighter-​​size air­craft that can strike at strate­gic ranges.
Even hard-​​core, single-​​seat fighter pilots who have long con­sid­ered a back-​​seater unnec­es­sary and some­times even a hin­drance are chang­ing their minds.
Lt. Gen. Dave Deptula, the U.S. Air Forces first deputy chief of staff for intel­li­gence, sur­veil­lance and recon­nais­sance, says that the abil­ity to con­duct simul­ta­ne­ous air-​​to-​​air and air-​​to-​​ground com­bat in addi­tion to sophis­ti­cated elec­tronic attack and, soon, infor­ma­tion war­fare, will keep two air­crew­men fully occu­pied.
The threat of cyber attack means, We have to look at the fragility of the elec­tro­mag­netic spec­trum, Deptula says. We have to study the prob­lem. But the man­power crunch is so great that any solu­tion that requires more per­son­nel is going to be a hard sell. Nonetheless, he con­tends that there is great need for an air­borne, self-​​regenerating net­work capa­bil­ity to recover quickly from elec­tronic or com­puter attack and strike back.
Also on the Israeli model, the U.S. will seek to reduce its acknowl­edged over-​​reliance on network-​​centric war­fare. This new gen­er­a­tion of air­craftoften based on exist­ing designs such as the F-​​15, F-​​16, F-​​18 and stealthy F-​​22will have the abil­ity to sur­vive mas­sive cyber and elec­tro­mag­netic pulse attack and quickly cre­ate local area net­works to begin gath­er­ing intel­li­gence and gen­er­at­ing coun­ter­at­tack mis­sions.
Senior mil­i­tary offi­cials say that new tan­dem designs, com­bined with advanced sen­sor pack­ages and wide­band data links, are at least dou­bling the capa­bil­i­ties of tac­ti­cal air­craft. But all that will require two crew­men to con­duct simul­ta­ne­ous air-​​to-​​air, air-​​to-​​ground and, pos­si­bly, cyber com­bat.
The shift is already under­way. Boeing and Lockheed Martin are each either field­ing or design­ing at least two new two-​​seat air­craft.

–Pinch Paisley


The Navy is field­ing the first Boeing Block 2 F/​A-​​18F Super Hornets with VFA-​​213 at NAS Oceana, Va., while the first pro­duc­tion EA-​​18G Growler electronic-​​attack air­craft flew last month.
Lockheed Martin offi­cials pri­vately say they are look­ing at two two-​​seat con­cepts. The first is a new ver­sion of the F-​​22 with a large wingre­designed from the FB-​​22 con­cept­for more fuel. But unlike the bomber wing, it will allow super­sonic cruise. A fuse­lage plug will add the sec­ond seat and a larger weapons bay that could include advanced, long-​​range mis­sile designs. The com­pany esti­mates the sec­ond seat would add only about 10% to the air­frame cost.
It could become an option for the 2018 USAF bomber com­pe­ti­tion.
There is also a com­pe­ti­tion to put active elec­tron­i­cally scanned array (AESA) radars in the Air Forces two-​​seat, F-​​15E fleet, to be awarded in late October.
Another com­pe­ti­tion is to come in November to put AESA radars in F-​​16s. Lockheed Martin offi­cials also believe that there are at least two more blocks of advanced F-​​16 designs that could pro­vide new capa­bil­i­ties, includ­ing advanced radars and elec­tronic attack. They note that while USAF uses its two-​​seat air­craft for train­ing, Israel, Singapore (see p. 50) and other for­eign users put a weapon sys­tems offi­cer in the back seat for spe­cial­ized attack and recon­nais­sance mis­sions.
All of these new designs are wrapped around increas­ingly sophis­ti­cated ver­sions of the AESA radar that can triple the range of con­ven­tional radars.
Depending on the size of array and tar­get, it varies from around 100 mi. for an F-​​16-​​size array to more than 150 mi. for an F-​​15 which will carry the largest, fighter-​​sized AESA array. Thats slightly more than the F-​​22. However, because the Raptor is stealthy, it can get closer to the tar­get for a more detailed look.
Other electronic-​​surveillance sen­sors can again dou­ble the range. Specifically, if a tar­get is within line of sight, it can be seen and iden­ti­fied from details as minute as the tar­gets vibra­tion, the move­ment of a mechan­i­cally scanned antenna or vir­tu­ally any elec­tronic emis­sion. As the range short­ens, ever lower power emit­ters (walkie-​​talkie-​​type radios) and smaller fly­ing objects (stealthy cruise mis­siles) can be detected with a col­lec­tion of mul­ti­spec­tral clues.
Airborne AESAs com­bined with electronic-​​attack and sur­veil­lance sys­tems are them­selves becom­ing tools in increas­ingly sophis­ti­cated net­work attack.
The Air Warfare Center is test­ing devel­op­men­tal air­borne network-​​attack capa­bil­i­ties, says Lt. Gen. Robert Elder, com­man­der of the 8th Air Force, which has been tapped for cyber war­fare oper­a­tions and shares Barksdale AFB, La., with the new Cyber Warfare Command. Some of the star grad­u­ates and expe­ri­enced instruc­tors from the Air Weapons School are prepar­ing to intro­duce air­borne net­work attack into Red, Blue and Black Flag exer­cises, he says. Black Flag is a new arena for spe­cial­ists to exper­i­ment with new tech­nolo­gies in a com­bat envi­ron­ment and decide where the Air Force should invest its resources.
We are actu­ally start­ing to prac­tice with these [tac­ti­cal network-​​attack] capa­bil­i­ties, Elder says. With enough test­ing, well get the con­fi­dence to bring them into the exer­cises. Tactical home for the oper­a­tion capa­bil­ity will be basi­cally stealth plat­forms like F-​​22, F-​​35 and B-​​2, but it will also include space, bombers, fight­ers and large intel­li­gence, sur­veil­lance and recon­nais­sance plat­forms, he says. Some of the early work on such projects includes the Suter series, involv­ing the RC-​​135 Rivet Joint and EC-​​130 Compass Call. And one of the plat­forms we did a lot of work with was the [E-​​8] Joint Stars, Elder adds.
A quickly devel­op­ing inter­na­tional mar­ket is likely. Ive got peo­ple com­ing to me that dont really know what an AESA radar is, but they do know they want it for their air force, says a radar devel­oper at the Air Force Association show in Washington last week.
The move is sure to gen­er­ate bud­get wars between the ser­vices bud­geteers (who are try­ing to trim defense spend­ing) and oper­a­tional com­man­ders (who want the added capa­bil­ity) because two-​​seat air­craft cost more, as does the train­ing and reten­tion of weapon sys­tems offi­cers. Advocates con­tend that with the same num­bers of air­craft, two-​​seaters can per­form more com­bat tasks than single-​​seaters and more eas­ily split up to cover a larger air­space (because each can do air-​​to-​​air and air-​​to-​​ground com­bat simul­ta­ne­ously).
These two-​​seat, inte­grated multi-​​sensor designs will be very use­ful in irreg­u­lar war, but there will have to be a very dis­ci­plined approach to crew coor­di­na­tion, says Maj. Gen. Allen Peck, a vet­eran F-​​15 fighter pilot, com­man­der of the Air Force Doctrine Development and Education Center and vice com­man­der of the Air University. If youre not care­ful, two guys may end up doing the work of one.
Recent oper­a­tional expe­ri­ence with the F-​​22 pro­duced an aural envi­ron­ment, described by par­tic­i­pants as spooky, where air­crews sel­dom speak and move infor­ma­tion by data link, which is faster and more accu­rate than talk­ing.
There are other tech­nol­ogy fac­tor­sand an over­ar­ch­ing threatthat drive plan­ners to two-​​seat solu­tions. AESA allows the pin­point­ing of small air and ground tar­gets. Integration of sen­sors and access to off­board intel­li­gence sources allow the rapid accu­mu­la­tion of real-​​time data for simul­ta­ne­ous air-​​to-​​air and air-​​to-​​ground com­bat. And, the worlds air forces real­ize theyre vul­ner­a­ble to computer-​​network and elec­tronic attack, say Deptula and Elder.
Israeli defense offi­cials, who have cre­ated the model that the U.S. is look­ing to for guid­ance, first revealed their inten­tion to Aviation Week & Space Technology last year to back away from over­re­liance on network-​​centric war­fare. Part of the solu­tion, the Israeli Defense Forces con­tends, is to keep more manned air­craft in its inven­tory and keep them longer than planned. That doesnt mean aban­don­ing plans for the heavy use of unmanned sur­veil­lance and com­bat air­craft, but it does mean the mod­ern­iza­tion and con­tin­u­ing pur­chase of advanced manned strike­fight­ers, such as the F-​​15 and F-​​16 fam­ily and, even­tu­ally, the F-​​35 Joint Strike Fighter.

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  1. Flight Tester says:
    October 11, 2007 at 10:57 am

    Being lucky enough to be part of the F-​​22 Combined Test Force at Edwards AFB CA when it was tested for years before going oper­a­tional I feel I can com­ment on the topic of a two seat F-​​22. Originally, the A/​F had two seat F-​​22

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  2. Shadow says:
    October 11, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Plain and sim­ple… This Raptor will dom­i­nate now.

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