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> <channel><title>Comments on: Two Seat Raptor?</title> <atom:link href="http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/</link> <description>The Future of the Military, Law Enforcement and National Security</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:42:48 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Shadow</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-2/#comment-32078</link> <dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-32078</guid> <description>Plain and simple... This Raptor will dominate now. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plain and simple… This Raptor will dominate now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Flight Tester</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-2/#comment-168091</link> <dc:creator>Flight Tester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168091</guid> <description>Being lucky enough to be part of the F-22 Combined Test Force at Edwards AFB CA when it was tested for years before going operational I feel I can comment on the topic of a two seat F-22.  Originally, the A/F had two seat F-22</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being lucky enough to be part of the F-22 Combined Test Force at Edwards AFB CA when it was tested for years before going operational I feel I can comment on the topic of a two seat F-22.  Originally, the A/F had two seat F-22</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Slider</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168090</link> <dc:creator>Slider</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168090</guid> <description>Situational Awareness. Shows how old I am, been with drones/rpv&#039;s/uav&#039;s/ucav&#039;s since the early 80&#039;s, after stint as an airedale. I don&#039;t care how good the RC pilot on the ground is, computer programs, yeah right, uplinks/downlinks/secure links, cuban taxi drivers can blow them out of the water. If you are not there, you don&#039;t &quot;know or feel&quot; what you are looking at,period.
Trust me, &quot;unmanned&quot; anything, except armaments, is a fad. The capabilities today are no more than 30 years ago, just many, many times more expensive. Predator capabilities back then cost around $75K per airframe, and that was with the old Ferranti missile gyro costing some $12K.
1 versus 2 seats, horses for courses, or nowadays who in the blue suits and the funny shaped building you believe will be on the next source selection panel. Lockheed vs Northrop, B2 competition anyone? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Situational Awareness. Shows how old I am, been with drones/rpv’s/uav’s/ucav’s since the early 80’s, after stint as an airedale. I don’t care how good the RC pilot on the ground is, computer programs, yeah right, uplinks/downlinks/secure links, cuban taxi drivers can blow them out of the water. If you are not there, you don’t “know or feel” what you are looking at,period.<br
/> Trust me, “unmanned” anything, except armaments, is a fad. The capabilities today are no more than 30 years ago, just many, many times more expensive. Predator capabilities back then cost around $75K per airframe, and that was with the old Ferranti missile gyro costing some $12K.<br
/> 1 versus 2 seats, horses for courses, or nowadays who in the blue suits and the funny shaped building you believe will be on the next source selection panel. Lockheed vs Northrop, B2 competition anyone?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roy Smith</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168088</link> <dc:creator>Roy Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:16:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168088</guid> <description>By the way,the Suter system is our system,used by EC-130s,RC-135s,&amp; F-16 Wild Weasels.They suspect that the Israelis used a variation of the Suter system.The Suter System is produced by BAE Systems &amp; L-3 Communications.The Israeli 2-seat F-16 Sufa could have had it installed in its Dorsal Compartment.I&#039;m not sure where you could install it in the F-15E. The HyperStealth(the name of the company that makes this) FA2 Digital Camouflage is just visual camouflage,just like the digital pattern on the new uniforms of our army &amp; marines.Thrust vectoring has been tested on both F-16s &amp; F-15s.I don&#039;t mean AV-8 Harrier STOVL/VTOL thrust-vectoring,I mean the ability to maneuver better in aerial combat.There are so many potential modifications for both F-16s &amp; F-15s,but nobody wants to pay for them,even though their probably will never be enough F-22s or F-35s to replace the current F-16s &amp; F-15s one-on-one. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way,the Suter system is our system,used by EC-130s,RC-135s,&amp; F-16 Wild Weasels.They suspect that the Israelis used a variation of the Suter system.The Suter System is produced by BAE Systems &amp; L-3 Communications.The Israeli 2-seat F-16 Sufa could have had it installed in its Dorsal Compartment.I’m not sure where you could install it in the F-15E. The HyperStealth(the name of the company that makes this) FA2 Digital Camouflage is just visual camouflage,just like the digital pattern on the new uniforms of our army &amp; marines.Thrust vectoring has been tested on both F-16s &amp; F-15s.I don’t mean AV-8 Harrier STOVL/VTOL thrust-vectoring,I mean the ability to maneuver better in aerial combat.There are so many potential modifications for both F-16s &amp; F-15s,but nobody wants to pay for them,even though their probably will never be enough F-22s or F-35s to replace the current F-16s &amp; F-15s one-on-one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roy Smith</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168087</link> <dc:creator>Roy Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:00:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168087</guid> <description>Personally I&#039;m of the opinion of &quot;wearing both a belt &amp; suspenders.&quot; Lets have the &quot;belt&quot; of F-22s &amp; F-35s &amp; add to it the &quot;suspenders of Suter equipped F-16s &amp; F-15Es.How could that be so wrong? Let stealth work as advertised,but use the Suter Computer program to disable the enemy&#039;s air defense systems anyway.Apparently,according to the article I read,the Russians had to send technicians to Syria to find out what happened,&amp; Iran is worried also about if their Russian supplied air defense system could be compromised by the Suter Computer program.Unfortunately,people with limited tunnel vision cannot see how it would be great to have a mix of both stealth &amp; non-stealth aircraft.Their money is invested in one system &amp; it has to be that system or else. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I’m of the opinion of “wearing both a belt &amp; suspenders.” Lets have the “belt” of F-22s &amp; F-35s &amp; add to it the “suspenders of Suter equipped F-16s &amp; F-15Es.How could that be so wrong? Let stealth work as advertised,but use the Suter Computer program to disable the enemy’s air defense systems anyway.Apparently,according to the article I read,the Russians had to send technicians to Syria to find out what happened,&amp; Iran is worried also about if their Russian supplied air defense system could be compromised by the Suter Computer program.Unfortunately,people with limited tunnel vision cannot see how it would be great to have a mix of both stealth &amp; non-stealth aircraft.Their money is invested in one system &amp; it has to be that system or else.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168086</link> <dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 23:02:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168086</guid> <description>Roy, even assuming the system of which you speak worked just as well as our stealth technology (against all opponents, not just a third tier middle eastern wannabe), it wouldn&#039;t save us any money.  The bulk of the spending has already been done.
The expensive part of the F-22 is the R&amp;D.  The actual construction costs aren&#039;t THAT much greater than the costs for any comparable 4.5 generation fighter.
And that&#039;s assuming whatever tech you&#039;re praising works just as well as ours.  I&#039;m honestly not ready to christen it as a replacement for stealth based on an unconfirmed attack on an unconfirmed location against an unconfirmed target. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy, even assuming the system of which you speak worked just as well as our stealth technology (against all opponents, not just a third tier middle eastern wannabe), it wouldn’t save us any money.  The bulk of the spending has already been done.<br
/> The expensive part of the F-22 is the R&amp;D.  The actual construction costs aren’t THAT much greater than the costs for any comparable 4.5 generation fighter.<br
/> And that’s assuming whatever tech you’re praising works just as well as ours.  I’m honestly not ready to christen it as a replacement for stealth based on an unconfirmed attack on an unconfirmed location against an unconfirmed target.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Roy Smith</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168084</link> <dc:creator>Roy Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168084</guid> <description>Can you do an article on the Suter Electronic Warfare System that was used by Israel to defeat Syria&#039;s Russian Anti-Aircraft Missile System.According to Strategypage.com,it was used by &quot;NON-STEALTH&quot; Israeli planes to defeat Syria&#039;s anti-air systems.Don&#039;t let the American Military-Industrial Complex hear about this,or else people will question the need for 1 seat/2 seat F-22s &amp;/or F-35s. Still being built,today,F-16s,F-15Es,&amp; F-18 Super Hornets armed with this electronics counter-measures system must be a lot cheaper than the billions of dollars that we are pissing down the hole with our &quot;stealth&quot; fighters.How about adding on top of this HyperStealth KA2 Digital Camouflage on the newly,still being built,F-16s,F-15E&#039;s,&amp; F-18 Super Hornets &amp; thrust vectoring to boot,what the hell do we need F-22s &amp; F-35s for.Simplicity trumps &quot;&#039;advanced(?)&#039; stealth&quot; technology &amp; how much money would we save doing this? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you do an article on the Suter Electronic Warfare System that was used by Israel to defeat Syria’s Russian Anti-Aircraft Missile System.According to Strategypage.com,it was used by “NON-STEALTH” Israeli planes to defeat Syria’s anti-air systems.Don’t let the American Military-Industrial Complex hear about this,or else people will question the need for 1 seat/2 seat F-22s &amp;/or F-35s. Still being built,today,F-16s,F-15Es,&amp; F-18 Super Hornets armed with this electronics counter-measures system must be a lot cheaper than the billions of dollars that we are pissing down the hole with our “stealth” fighters.How about adding on top of this HyperStealth KA2 Digital Camouflage on the newly,still being built,F-16s,F-15E’s,&amp; F-18 Super Hornets &amp; thrust vectoring to boot,what the hell do we need F-22s &amp; F-35s for.Simplicity trumps “‘advanced(?)’ stealth” technology &amp; how much money would we save doing this?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: .R.A. Ways</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168082</link> <dc:creator>.R.A. Ways</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:16:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168082</guid> <description>Few may remember but back many years the Shah of Iran said &quot;I can barely afford the F-4&#039;s, How can I pay for the f-14A&#039;s&quot; So Pres.Nixon told him to raise the price of OIL...so there.... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few may remember but back many years the Shah of Iran said “I can barely afford the F-4’s, How can I pay for the f-14A’s” So Pres.Nixon told him to raise the price of OIL…so there.…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: .ra. ways</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-168081</link> <dc:creator>.ra. ways</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:14:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://deftech.usmilblog.com/?p=2573#comment-168081</guid> <description>Few may remember but back many years the Shah of Iran said &quot;I can barely afford the F-4&#039;s, How can I pay for the f-14A&#039;s&quot; So Pres.Nixon told him to raise the price of OIL...so there.... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few may remember but back many years the Shah of Iran said “I can barely afford the F-4’s, How can I pay for the f-14A’s” So Pres.Nixon told him to raise the price of OIL…so there.…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ferdinand ogbta  ibe</title><link>http://defensetech.org/2007/10/03/two-seat-raptor/comment-page-1/#comment-32066</link> <dc:creator>ferdinand ogbta  ibe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:12:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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