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Home » Guns » A New Look at an Old Classic: The .45 Sub

A New Look at an Old Classic: The .45 Sub

For those who believe a .45 cal­iber round is the best way to tell an enemy to stop — and fans of the .45’s knock-​​down power are legion — the only thing bet­ter would be a cho­rus shout­ing “stop,” almost in unison.

This is what weapons designer Transformational Defense Industries Inc. has been promis­ing for sev­eral years with its devel­op­ment of a fully auto­matic .45 sub­ma­chine gun — but with­out the recoil you’d expect from such a weapon.

Andrew Finn, senior vice pres­i­dent with Washington, D.C.-based TDI calls their Kriss Super V sub “the weapon of the future,” and on Thursday com­pany offi­cials said that future could come as early as February — with world­wide mil­i­tary sales expected some­time in the first quar­ter of 2008.

During demon­stra­tion fir­ings of the weapon here at Blackwater USA’s train­ing grounds, Military​.com was invited to shoot up some tar­gets using the Kriss and, for com­par­i­son, H&K’s USC .45 carbine.

Though another sub­ma­chine gun might have made for a bet­ter assess­ment, TDI obvi­ously was com­fort­able with the H&K choice for the pur­pose of eval­u­at­ing recoil. The Kriss cer­tainly won out, though the H&K did not give a severe kick either, and TDI chief oper­at­ing offi­cer Chuck Kushell acknowl­edged his com­peti­tor made a fine weapon.

What was par­tic­u­larly pos­i­tive about this lat­est ver­sion of the Kriss — now in its 8th gen­er­a­tion of devel­op­ment — is that shoot­ers seemed to have an eas­ier time hit­ting the tar­gets, with expe­ri­enced shoot­ers keep­ing many of their rounds in a small area, even when fir­ing on fully automatic.

When an ear­lier ver­sion was tested two years ago, even expe­ri­enced shoot­ers had prob­lems ven­ti­lat­ing the tar­gets. One shooter at the time won­dered if it was the short­ness of the bar­rel and maybe the hard trigger-​​pull.

Anyway, no one made any tight shot groups back then.

From our per­spec­tive, the light — rel­a­tively speak­ing — recoil of the Kriss in its semi-​​automatic, and even short-​​burst modes, could be deceptive.

One eval­u­a­tor did fine with a few sin­gle shots and some bursts. But when she pulled the trig­ger on auto­matic, her first rounds hit the tar­get and about a half-​​dozen more went into the berm behind it.

Basically, she was taken by sur­prise by the recoil, even though it was not as strong as you would have expected for a .45 cal­iber sub­ma­chine gun.

“No weapon can yet do away with recoil,” said Chris Costa, a TDI instruc­tor. “It’s just that the major­ity [of the recoil] is mit­i­gated” with the Kriss.

TDI says the recoil is mit­i­gated by divert­ing the spent gas from a fired round down and away from the gun’s fir­ing line. This “re-​​vectoring” also helps reduce the severe muz­zle climb that comes with such high-​​caliber, high rate-​​of-​​fire weapons, help­ing shoot­ers keep the rounds on target.

To demon­strate the low recoil in full-​​auto, two instruc­tors pre­tended to come under fire from hos­tiles after their car broke down.

From the pas­sen­ger seat, one instruc­tor fired his Kriss with one hand on fully auto­matic, quickly lay­ing down deadly cover fire while his dri­ver took up a posi­tion out­side the car, then cov­ered for him as he got out.

Fired on auto­matic, the fusil­lade of .45 rounds not only hit the tar­get but knocked it, the sup­port pole and the tar­get base to the ground.

Currently, the Army is putting the Kriss through envi­ron­men­tal test­ing to ensure it can stand up to sand, cold and heat and still do the job, said Finn. TDI offi­cials are also in dis­cus­sions with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms about the stan­dards it wants to per­mit the weapon to be sold commercially.

Obviously, one require­ment for a com­mer­cial vari­ant will be that it not be allowed to fire in bursts or on full automatic.

But in the hands of a mil­i­tary or law enforce­ment oper­a­tor, the fully-​​auto Kriss .45 could be just the ticket when stop­ping a bad guy in his tracks is the goal.

– Bryant Jordan

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