Comments on: Iraqi Spooks Come in from the Cold

By: reshtet

reshtet — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:22:03 +0000

Here’s a thought for ya:is anyone studying any captured computer systems of the actual enemy???
I bet not,its too,tooo, logical…Colleges should
have the right to do so also…

By: reshtet

reshtet — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:19:56 +0000

Government intell lacks logic especially on realistic basics of natural thoughts of sin and righteousness…You leave God out,then you will lie about everything…Plus,Intell=Greek for Goal.
They probably have less goals than winning…

By: reshtet

reshtet — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:54:01 +0000

I know for a fact this intel unit stuff will fail!
It doesn’t it work good when our people are there
babby sitting etc…The real networks will pop-up
again…It’s all do we feel it crap

By: David Howard

David Howard — Mon, 05 May 2008 20:58:12 +0000

google: we got nuked on 9/11

By: Neil C. Reinhardt

Neil C. Reinhardt — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:55:17 +0000

This Agnostic Atheist says: Sure sounds like Dennis is just another one of the Clueless Clods of the Loony Left!

By: Kestrel

Kestrel — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:26:17 +0000

It’s just you Dennis, looking for the worst under every rock.
In order for any gov’t to function, it has to have an efficient intelligence apparatus that can shine the light on it’s enemies. Whether or not YOU think they are truly the enemy makes no difference. The best and worst governments have only one ambition and that is to survive.

By: demophilus

demophilus — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:32:08 +0000

I think Churchill said something about a “bodyguard of lies”, and, in my limited experience, things spooky are rarely what they seem. So, I’m not sure how to take this story.
I mean, if the new Iraqi spooks are “right now on par in terms of going after targets and having success on that with the rest of the coalition forces”, I suppose that’s progress, but, given that they speak the language, know the culture, and can blend in with impunity, shouldn’t they be even better?
I mean, it would seem they’d be a few strokes under par. But I suppose it doesn’t serve our purposes, or theirs, to reveal how good they are.
Sort of off topic, does anybody know what happened to the former Mukhabarat’s files? They would have been a treasure trove of information. Assuming they weren’t all bombed or looted into oblivion, Job 1 for the new Iraqi services (or, us) would seem to be mining those for intel.
I mean, chances are the Mukhabarat, Fedayeen, Baathists, etc., etc. had themselves a few shredding parties before we burned their house down, but even the gaps in the records would tell you a lot about what they held near and dear.
I really haven’t heard squat about the Mukh files since the invasion. Again, bodyguard of lies — if we had them, we’d want to pretend we didn’t — but it would seem something about them would filter out, 4 years later.
Or maybe not. I mean, IIRC, we just declassified stuff about the USS Liberty incident, and that was 40 years ago.

By: Crusty Old Chief

Crusty Old Chief — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:57:44 +0000

Re: Dennis
One can either light a candle or curse the darkness.
It is possible that the nascent Iraqi intel service will morph into something ugly.
It is equally possible that it will not.
Perhaps the controlling factor will be our committment to the Iraqi nation in bringing them along and out of the Saddamite darkness.
As for overthrowing the government or crushing internal dissent, it seems reasonable to me that sometimes the government is in need of overthrow and that dissent is the sheep’s clothing for the wolf of sedition. Its all a matter of perspective… and whether the government or seditionist is on my side or not.
It ain’t a pretty world. More to the point, its a fairly damned cruel and ugly one that does not respond well to dialogue, mutual respect, reason, kittens, puppies, and fluffy bunny rabbits. Their response to UN resolutions, stern warnings, peace initiatives, and Hollywood hyperbole is even less responsive.
They do respond well to these things when they are supported by our willingness to kick the snot out of them as required. Repeating as necessary. This is the best way to keep governments, armies, and other security organs playing nice with everyone else.
How soon we forget that kid who picked on you, took your lunch money, and generally did whatever sadistic bit of mischief that popped into his head did not respond well to reason, dialogue, or stern warnings. He did however respond splendidly to when the Poindexter gave him a few loose teeth, a busted lip, and some sore ribs. It did not substantively change the bully, but it damned sure modified his behavior around Poindexter.
Cheers,
Chief B.
P.S.: I don’t understand what anyone has against some poor gorillas, be they leftist, rightist, or centrist.

By: Crusty Old Chief

Crusty Old Chief — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:28:09 +0000

Seems to me that we *may* be seeing the Iraqi state getting it together. I can’t help but compare and contrast the evolution of post-Saddam Iraq with the post-Nazi Germany. After such a bloody, bloddy war with the Germany (qua Nazis) they turned the corner toward real democracy pretty fast — the Bear growling on the other side of the Fulda Gap no doubt sped that along.
As the future is known but to the Father, we’d be a bit chuff to predict what it will bring. However, it would seem that the threat to the Iraqi nation from Islamic fascism ought to catalyze things the way the Soviet threat did for the German nation.
The question which now comes to mind is whether the Iraqi nation has the gumption to follow through as did the Germans. If they do, they have the great potential to be as valuable a strategic partner as have been the Germans.
I think that they can pull it off with our help.
Of course, we made sure that we’d actually won WWII before we started trying to rebuild; unlike the present conflict where we’ve got the Seabees and civil affairs weenies out trying to rebuild with RPGs whizzing around them. I can’t quite imagine the Allies trying to get Gasthauses up and running while the Nazis were still shooting at us. And, of course, we invaded the continent with absolutely everything we could muster to ensure victory and a “hard kill.“
If we can keep the fifth column saboteurs of the fourth estate at bay we will get the hard kill on our and Iraq’s enemies in Iraq. That the Iraqi security organs have begun to breathe on their own is a good sign that we’re making progress to that end. I’ve no doubt that a competent, organic, and well-resourced Iraqi intelligence service will be far more effective at rooting out her enemies than we can ever hope to be.
Having the Iraqis conduct their own ISR should come as a sweet sop to the Moveon.org crowd: No longer will they have lie awake at night worrying about “militants” and “freedom fighters” being trundled off the Gitmo to be waterboarded, bullied, forced to receive comprehensive medical and dental care, and otherwise have their feelings hurt at the hands of Americans. The Iraqis no doubt will take care of that themselves.
Cheers,
Chief B.

By: Dennis

Dennis — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:24:12 +0000

Is it just me or maybe we should not be helping to set up organizations like this?
The government is still unstable and may just use these people to crush internal dissent.
It reminds me of all the US trained military people who end up overthrowing their government or using their learned skills not to suppress leftist gorillas, but to suppress everyone.…