Comments on: Israel Wants JSF As Soon As Possible

By: Roy Smith

Roy Smith — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:40:00 +0000

Sure,shooting dust & or sand up in the air has as much likelihood of success as playing the slot machines in Vegas or winning the Publishers Clearing House,& it will no doubt leave the people doing it looking foolish…until that lucky strike comes along.
As far as the F-22 having thrust vectoring & yes,even an M61A2 Vulcan 20mm Rotary Cannon(thanks much maligned Wikipedia for the information),I say thank God,goodness,or the deity of your choice.I was afraid that the building of the F-22 was based on the arrogance that stealth was all we needed & we’d shoot the other guy out of the sky(with missiles of course) before he knew what hit him.You know,the attitude that Jeff Goldblum’s character had in the movie “Independence Day” when he told his ex-wife,“Oh we’ll be in & out of there.…”,just like the attitude that a lot of people seem to have or show on these boards concerning the F-22.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:29:25 +0000

Roy, you mean you don’t know the F-22 has thrust vectoring and a gun? Jeez, man, that’s common knowledge. How can you so roundly criticize stealth technology when you don’t even know the basic equipment on the most high-profile stealth aircraft in the world?
The problem with shooting up dust bombs is that you’d need to time it too precisely. How high are the flyers coming in? 10,000 feet? 50,000 feet? 50 feet? You don’t know. From which direction are they coming? Are they going to hit you from the north? The northeast? The west? You don’t know. WHEN are they coming? Now? In 15 minutes? In two hours? Tomorrow? The F-22 can move at such a high speed and at such a high altitude that it can literally drop bombs while still miles away from its target, and the momentum will carry the bombs to their target. So he doesn’t need to be directly overhead–he can be 10 miles away and still hit the target.
You’d have to keep a dust cloud in the air that was 10–15 miles high and completely encircled the prospective target. It would have to stretch out 10–15 miles from your target to prevent the F-22 from simply dropping a bomb at Mach 2 from 70,000 feet. And you’d have to keep a large amount of dust in the air for a long period of time, which will be difficult at higher elevations because the wind is blowing hard up at those heights. So… it needs work.

By: sglover

sglover — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:18:02 +0000

I love their arrogance. They contributed nothing to the development, yet they want first pick. And once they get it, they’ll change it to their own avionics because ours isn’t good enough (trusted, actually).
Oh, and the ‘payment’ money will actually be from the tax-payer subsidized billions of military aid that the congress votes for israel every year, at the prodding of the overwhelming jewish lobby, like AIPAC.
Yep. Business as usual.

By: Wes

Wes — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:01:23 +0000

> I thought they had a system to allow weapons to be slung under the wings when you don’t need it to be a super stealth aircraft. Like after you have air supriority.
Thjat is how it will work, cenobite.

By: Wes

Wes — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:59:40 +0000

Don’t feed the trolls. Ron Paul for President, LOL
> F-35B rollout today
Some rollout! They need to send it to the paint shop first!

By: The Cenobyte

The Cenobyte — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:57:36 +0000

I thought they had a system to allow weapons to be slung under the wings when you don’t need it to be a super stealth aircraft. Like after you have air supriority.

By: Rhyno327/lrsd

Rhyno327/lrsd — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:39:53 +0000

Repulsive? that is wat blowing up innocent civilians, ramming jetliners into buildings, and hacking off the heads of Christians and Jews. The Israeli Army a joke? When they really want, and need to turn up the heat, those rags have no chance. As long as they continue to seek the destruction of Israel, there will be NO peace. Comparing the Israeli’s to a nation of terrorists is laughable. I bet in the end, they will be one of only a handfull of nations that stand with us against the developing Arab-Russian alliance. NATO? Forget it. We are on our own. The UK/US alliance is the only REAL alliance in NATO. A-stan has been a glimpse of wat is to come. 4 members fighting, 4 standidng by watching. DISGRACE.

By: irtusk

irtusk — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:34:20 +0000

> The Israelis though used electronic countermeasures & had no stealth aircraft.
yes, they exploited a specific weakness which may be fixed and not exist next time
> The idea is to “tag” the stealth aircraft so that radar can pick it up & then fire the missiles.
it’s not practical to shoot up a large enough volume that would actually cause any degradation of the coatings
it would be more cost effective to just saturate the sky with AAA and hope you get lucky
> Ok,that makes me wonder about missiles tied into the pilot’s helmet like what the MiG-29 pilots are supposed to have.I’m talking about missiles that go where the pilot is looking.
helmet cueing merely expands the cone of engagement. if the radar can’t get a lock directly in front, it’s not going to get it to the side either
> does the F-22 have thrust-vectoring maneuvering in addition to stealth?
thrust vectoring (super manoueverability) is one of the key attributes of the F-22 that is always touted
> I also hope it has a 20-30mm cannon & doesn’t solely rely on air-to-air missiles.
you should at least read the wikipedia article on it so you have some idea what you’re talking about

By: A. Nony

A. Nony — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:06:59 +0000

“Sam, I think that if Israelis were the murdering thugs, you and many of your mindset believe, then there would be no palestinians at all.“
Oh really?
Let’s check the validity of that argument by flipping it:
“Sam, I think that if Nazis were the murdering thugs, you and many of your mindset believe, then there would be no jews at all.“
There’s plenty of jews in the world. Hell, a whole country full of them, so obviously the fact that a belief system hasn’t killed their enemies into extinction doesn’t preclude them from being murderers.
It’s not about simple killing. It’s about humiliation and subjugation. Why kill your enemies quick when you can make them your slaves, as per the torah?
I love their arrogance. They contributed nothing to the development, yet they want first pick. And once they get it, they’ll change it to their own avionics because ours isn’t good enough (trusted, actually).
Oh, and the ‘payment’ money will actually be from the tax-payer subsidized billions of military aid that the congress votes for israel every year, at the prodding of the overwhelming jewish lobby, like AIPAC.

By: irtusk

irtusk — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:48:45 +0000

F-35B rollout today
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5387865.html
http://www.fwbusinesspress.com/display.php?id=6817
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2007/1218ae_f35b_rollout.html
http://images.teamjsf.com/main.php?g2_itemId=4024