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Home » Drones » Remember Slipping the Surly Bonds? Forget It!

Remember Slipping the Surly Bonds? Forget It!

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First off, happy new year, every­body. Here’s hop­ing for a great 2008.

This morning’s lead story at Military​.com has some inter­est­ing facts and fig­ures sur­round­ing the military’s use of drones in Iraq. Here’s an excerpt:

The military’s reliance on unmanned air­craft that can watch, hunt and some­times kill insur­gents has soared to more than 500,000 hours in the air, largely in Iraq, The Associated Press has learned.
And new Defense Department fig­ures obtained by the AP show that the Air Force more than dou­bled its monthly use of drones between January and October, forc­ing it to take pilots out of the air and shift them to remote fly­ing duty to meet part of the demand
.

And, as sev­eral mil­i­tary offi­cials state in the arti­cle, that demand is only going to go up, even as the surge winds down.

Now, under­stand­ing the util­ity and cost effec­tive­ness of drones, I’m won­der­ing what hap­pens to the morale and career moti­va­tion of an Eagle dri­ver who sud­denly gets the nod to be Drone Boy. Imagine hang­ing out in the ready room, wear­ing your speed jeans and talk­ing with your hands, when some­one taps you on the shoul­der and hands you a joy stick. No more strap­ping into an ejec­tion seat. No more touch­ing the face of God. Just a cin­derblock build­ing and a video display.

Lou Gossett, Jr. doesn’t play Drone Boy …

Read the entire story here.

– Ward

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  1. Joe says:
    January 2, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Turn em over to the SOF. Only peo­ple in the US mil­i­tary not cry­ing about what their mis­sion is or is not.

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  2. SMSgt MAc says:
    January 2, 2008 at 8:54 am

    This is a repeat of the early-​​mid 90s when the AF ‘banked’ pilots and stufed some in the then-​​new (once more) UAV effort. Meat-​​Servos weren’t happy then — they won’t be happy now.
    The new book ‘Co-​​ed Combat’by Kingsley Browne (excel­lent so far BTW) notes that the ‘pro­file’ of the best pilots are exceed­ingly rare: engi­neer­ing acu­ity com­bined with the tem­pera­ment of a moun­tain climber. They have to be trained to be desk jock­eys when they set­tle down–or they just get to be mis­er­able desk jockeys.

    Reply
  3. Dave says:
    January 2, 2008 at 9:49 am

    This issue of tech­nol­ogy replac­ing humans has all hap­pened before. Once upon a time, rail­road locamo­tives were oper­ated my actual trained engi­neers because of the mechan­i­cal com­plex­ity of the new tech­nol­ogy. Now, rail­road “engi­neers” have only the title.
    Whether mil­i­tary or com­mer­cial, pilots need to come to grips with a future where they may be lit­tle more than bus drivers.

    Reply
  4. Acad Ronin says:
    January 2, 2008 at 11:32 am

    Why not out­source much of the drone fly­ing to non-​​Air Force per­son­nel? I could see an Air Force reserve of pilots who no longer qual­ify for active duty flight (retired civil­ian pilots for instance), or who do not meet mil­i­tary fit­ness stan­dards or sim­ply civil­ians with other jobs but with with pilot’s licenses fly­ing drones from reserve cen­ters near their homes.

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  5. Wembley says:
    January 2, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Manned com­bat air­craft are in the process of join­ing biplanes and cav­alry as quaint pieces of mil­i­tary his­tory. A few more decades — less than the span of one pilot’s work­ing life — and that’ll be it for­ever.
    Pilots are sim­ply going to have to get used to it, just like every­one else whose job has been changed by technology.

    Reply
  6. Crusty Old Chief says:
    January 2, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Morning Boys,
    Coopers, mule­skin­ners, sail­mak­ers, ship’s car­pen­ters, water ten­ders, boiler techs, sig­nal­men, and now pilots! Damned upstart, snot-​​nosed, lit­tle scup­per mon­keys! This has just got to stop.
    What’s next? No more CPO ini­ti­a­tions, Tailhook sen­si­tiv­ity train­ing, and Sailors on con­voy secu­rity in the desert?!
    Oh, wait. Nevermind.
    Cheers,
    Chief B.

    Reply
  7. whocares says:
    January 2, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Two arti­cles spot­light who will be the stars of future wars. By pro­gram­mers and net­work techies. UAV’s are worth­less with­out secure comm lines & near per­fect com­puter code. Hack into that loop and some­one can ruin a mil­i­tary.
    I read recently about a espi­onage oper­a­tion the Chinese ran against the NSA. Of course we’ll never know if its true, but lets assume it is just for fun. The theme was that the NSA hired some eth­nic Chinese who lived in Hawaii to do trans­la­tions of NSA snoop­ing of China. I’m assum­ing these trans­la­tors where US cit­i­zens. Well the Chinese evi­dently owned these trans­la­tors and com­prised NSA capa­bilites and in fact fed false info back to the NSA.
    Imagine the dam­age if some unfriendly coun­try man­aged to salt away some unfriend­lies as pro­gram­mers for UAV com­mand and con­trol. Or got some hired into the satel­lite com­mand and con­trol pro­gram­mers used for UAV mis­sions.
    If the NSA can be bam­boo­zled so can any other USG organization.

    Reply
  8. slntax says:
    January 2, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    hahha chair force war­riors look­ing for action. there are plenty of spots in the infantry, cav ‚armor and sof for you. instead of wast­ing fuel for some mean­ing show of force mis­sions you can pound the ground like every­one else.

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  9. Cole says:
    January 2, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Contractors already fly unmanned air­craft. Silly as it may seem, an enlisted guy kicked out of fly­ing Predators in the USAF could prob­a­bly quite eas­ily get a job fly­ing UAS as an Army con­trac­tor, and enlisted Army UAS oper­a­tors do just fine. Future automa­tion will allow fully autonomous UAS ops and tac­ti­cal con­trol of AVs/​ pay­loads by your aver­age Soldier/​Leader/​Staff.
    Problem is that law pre­vents con­trac­tors from engag­ing the enemy, so out they go when time to lase or launch the Hellfire/​Viper Strike/​bomb. Guess the USAF is also pre­oc­cu­pied with fly­ing in the National Airspace Systems where pilots instru­ment rat­ings come in handy.
    But this is first time read­ing that they also want to fly UAS from other CONUS reserve loca­tions. All those satel­lite links required & lack of under­stand­ing of what is hap­pen­ing on the ground…and Soldier FM doesn’t work too well reach­ing the U.S, but can work quite well with a UAS comms relay pack­age talk­ing to in– the­ater Army UAS oper­a­tors.
    I also still have night­mares recall­ing a story told by a coworker about a new USAF A-​​10 pilot get­ting briefed in his then-​​owned Army visual sim­u­la­tion facil­ity who couldn’t rec­og­nize Russian equip­ment. You boys bet­ter hit the vehi­cle recog­ni­tion flash cards with all these MRAP ver­sions. BTW, Army UH-​​60s do not look like Hinds, MLRS do not look like Iraqi SAMs, nor will Canadian SOF small arms hurt you at altitude…but to be fair Apaches have shot U.S. com­bat engi­neers, too. And you won­der why lead­ers want the FSCL so far for­ward when all those Army scouts are run­ning around out in front of the Army main body.
    Admit that USAF has a neat means of pre­vent­ing fratricide/​improving effec­tive­ness using fast movers, Predator, and joint ter­mi­nal attack con­trollers (JTAC)for shar­ing infor­ma­tion. Laser illu­mi­na­tors should help, too. That lit­tle ROVER sys­tem seems to work well in shar­ing imagery, and it would be even bet­ter if it was an Army One System-​​Remote Video Terminal.;)
    Whoever men­tioned shows of force…I con­cur with your/​my amuse­ment when JTACs report “the show-​​of-​​force was effec­tive” in daily mis­sion sum­maries. But you gotta admit that a B-​​1 fly­ing at low level would be scare the begee­bees out of the Taliban.

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  10. txzen says:
    January 2, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    What about the morale boost know­ing that they don’t have the chance of being shot down in enemy ter­ri­tory, know­ing their air asset can loi­ter longer, pro­vide more intel per mis­sion, and the reaper at least can pro­vide 4–10 pre­ci­sion guided muni­tions on tar­get pretty much like what they were doing in the air? I am pretty sure most peo­ple won’t think it is as cool but when an intel­li­gent per­son, as most pilots are well edu­cated, would think after some delib­er­a­tion fly­ing the drone is more effi­cient dol­lar wise fuel wise and pilot life wise as well as over­all being able to pro­vide more con­stant close air sup­port to shoot­ers and sup­port per­sonel on the ground won’t they think of it as an honor and a step in the right direc­tion? Now of course hack­ing the UAV as a pos­si­bil­ity does leave manned ships as a per­sis­tant need. So maybe they don’t have to worry so much?

    Reply
  11. Dennis says:
    January 2, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Not to kick the pilots more than they seem to be;
    But isn’t the train­ing they receive way to expen­sive to be wast­ing on UAV’s?
    I am assum­ing UAV’s will not be dog fight­ing within the next cou­ple of years; they are not built that way. Yet.
    Nor will they be land­ing like a C5.
    It is a big waste of money putting these guys in charge of a UAV at this point.
    I knew a lot of smart enlisted guys who had their pilot

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  12. G says:
    January 2, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Bring war­rant offi­cers back to the USAF. They can fly the UAVs. Make CWOs do all the fly­ing. Officers are sup­pose man­age and direct.
    I see this as a cor­rec­tion to the USAF struc­ture from NASCAR (dri­ver and pit crew) to a more tra­di­tional mil­i­tary setup (com­man­der and commanded).

    Reply
  13. The Cenobyte says:
    January 7, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Fine, fire them then. No offence but plane dri­ves with the abil­ity to pull a bunch of Gs in a 1/​4 bil­lion dol­lar air­plane is not some­thing there is going to be much call for in the future. Replace these guys with peo­ple trained to remote pilot planes, and within a decade or so most of the com­bat jobs will be taken over by a robot. I mean these things can pull Gs peo­ple never could and never get dis­tracted. For many years to come there will still be peo­ple fly­ing some planes and some fight­ers, but really how much longer can they last in a world where com­put­ers are bet­ter pilots than the pilots are.

    Reply
  14. Elvis says:
    January 9, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    So what I hear you all say­ing is that there are those that “have” and those that talk about it. Which cat­e­gory are YOU in?

    Reply
  15. Saul says:
    March 13, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Come on now!500,000 hours on a platform,isn’t realistic!Although,there are mul­ti­ply drones it,
    just doesn’t add up!Airlines,must be used here for
    the hours and not Military etc…

    Reply

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