Comments on: Navy Cleared to Off Marine Life at Will

By: Andre

Andre — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:00:33 +0000

I just wanted to say a thing here in regards to this debate…
If the US Navy had been real kick-ass, and I mean REAL kick-ass we would have destroyed the Russian whaling fleet in the 60’s before they had a chance to destroy the last of the Atlantic Right Whale. ( yes there are some remaining buts it jsut a matter of time before they go). The problem is that the extremes in this country just do not know how to talk together. Imagine the right and left uniting in this country and sinking the Russian whaling fleet. We could have saved an entire freakin species and left the soviet fleet on the bottom of the Atlantic like Tojo did in the Pacific.

By: Blake

Blake — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:49:29 +0000

The Navy should train with this technology. Like much of the other tried / applied underwater technology, if doesn’t fit with the way the Navy fights or there are more effective ASW practices, ditch it!
Even without evidence, at best I’ll agree that the use of this sonar hurts the whales feeling, and I care about that. Sort of thinking aloud here or I read this already

By: Blake

Blake — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:45:20 +0000

I can think of a classified number of ways to track / detect submarines. Having realistic training in each area is REQUIRED. Speaking of law, the Constitution requires we provide for a strong defense, I

By: Jack D. Ripper

Jack D. Ripper — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:20:02 +0000

Anybody know anything about any of that? Without getting into classified stuff, is this mid-range active MFAS all we got?
How does it relate to the low freak, high volume stuff that allegedly cause spontaneous beachings?
Well, without getting too technical, water has layers called thermoclines. It is possible for a sub to hide below a thermocline and be invisible to active sonar operating above it. Hi freq (not freak) gets absorbed rather quickly. The medium to low freq sometimes cuts through the thermoclines to detect hidden subs/objects. Different tools for different jobs. A chain saw cuts wood. A coping saw cuts wood. You wouldn’t attempt to fell a large tree with a coping saw. We have sonar that covers the spectrum.
As far as whale beaching goes, why did it happen before we began testing our sonar?

By: C

Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:48:49 +0000

so by that logic we have to stoop to their level? what makes our nation great is that we are better than everyone else. if we take the attitude that “they are doing it so we will do it too”, we are severely deteriorating that status.

By: james

james — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:31:31 +0000

C(hippie basterd)
excellent point but think about it this way islamic terrorist and communist dont care about the enviroment they dont worry about whales
communist china once murdered anywhere from 44mil to 77 mil of its ppls(you know its bad when a country can obsorb that loss and just keep going.condums..anyways)
i believe in cleaning up the enviroment almost every american does but if we loss our enemies wont
so simple end all the wars get us in space and spread out our huge population(though world wars tend to help with the over population prob)
or figure out a way to detect subs quietly and safely
peace dude

By: James

James — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:24:39 +0000

In response to James above, I believe a country’s first duty is to it’s people not itself.
true but a nation is its people and well no offense if it ment losing a 10k mink whales or losing one us sub of mariners.…i say take the mariners but thats just me
though if we could find out a way to detect subs as well without the sonar id be all for it maybe they would have a harder time finding us
last
I also think we should investigate giving the whales earmuffs. Just might solve everyones problem.
an excellent idea maybe just need ear plugs like ya use when weed eattin
but i think its easier to do it this way hippie.i here by give you the power to demand all other nations to disable and give us there subs this way we wouldnt need the radar and they wouldnt need to fund the subs.plus peaceful flower loving countries like china and iran could then put more men in the army
see problem solved right hippie its for gia im sure thell jump right to it right?

By: Vercingetorix

Vercingetorix — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:29:17 +0000

Demophilius, sonar remains for the indefinite future the best way to spot a sub. We’ve had all sorts of sonar arrays and even MAD sensors (Magnetic Anamoly Detectors) since the fifties, sixties, but there is no substitute for integrating the sensor with the platform. And the best sensor remains sonar.
Some of the diesels are so quiet that even passive towed arrays will not get them, so you need the contingency to go hot with the bullhorn.

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:00:48 +0000

In response to James above, I believe a country’s first duty is to it’s people not itself.
If the people want happy whales, then it is the nation’s duty to at least not go out of it’s way to piss off the whales.
Myself, I like whales. They are wonders of the natural world. I also like Sonars. Nifty gadgets that save the good guys lives.
I also think we should investigate giving the whales earmuffs. Just might solve everyones problem.

By: Vercingetorix

Vercingetorix — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:13:51 +0000

Pharsalus, this: “We as human beings owe indefintely more to the planet we live on than to the country we’re born in. Save the whales.“
Is idiotic. The planet will not feed you, will not defend you, will not pay you, talk or listen to you, just as I will no longer listen to you. It is a utopian fantasy to consider yourself a citizen of the world and therefore asinine.
If we have a navy, we have to train it. If you don’t want to train the navy, man up and come out and say, “Let’s disband the navy, guys. Nuke subs are killing Gaia.“
Then us vets can throw things at you and call you dirty names, because, you are an idiot.